Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

You're comparing Spider-Man with Dante? Really?
Yuri's has had more prominent voice roles like Ben 10.
DMC fans would absolutely boycott if Langdon didn't return as Dante.
Hell I avoided getting the PC version of Tales of Symphonia because they changed the voices.
Gamers are petty babies who don't like change and get attached to things quickly. I can't say much about anime but people take VAs in games pretty seriously.
 
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See, the problem for this guy is that most of us HAVE thought. I would dare say many of us looked at the comments of KickVic, the comments of Ron, Monica, Jamie and Funimation, ALONG WITH THEIR ACTUAL SWORN DEPOSITIONS, and saw a distinct lack of evidence that was supported. We did however see a lot of contradicted information, including sworn afidavits by the people they brought to the party.

The thing about the NPCSJW Left is that they live in a fantasy where more words = more proof. Thats not the case anywhere but Twitter and their self created safe spaces. In the real world, people who think, require actual evidence and proof of assertion to base their decisions on.

This is real world court now. And unlike Twitter, it comes with real world consequenses for ones actions. All the PULL/Fujo/Furry/Mental cases can spew millions of words. Without facts and evidence, no one cares.
 
Autism and dried out fujos.



I mean, the only people who like lawsuits have never had one. Nobody can fault Funimation for wanting to get out of this ASAP, and it's to be expected.

It's Rial and company's case that's curious. They were the ones talking big game about getting the truth out there and parading 27-6,000,000 women to testify against Vic. Then they get hit with the lawsuit, try to fight to have Vic deposed first, try to fight to redact the depos however they want, try to fight to have only Vic's deposition done before they go and file the TCPA and trigger the discovery stay.

What happened to parading the women to testify against Vic? Hell, what happened to those 27 women?
The Farms happened.
I would guess that there are more than a couple 'quiet types' that are wearing butt plugs on the regular to keep from shitting their pants every time Nick has a show. Nick was pretty open that his intent is to dump their dirty laundry and it's clear he times the drops for maximum damage. If he isn't purposely timing them, it sure looks like its working out he is.

And they know he has insiders at Funi/Rooster Teeth. Then there is the realization that every single person the high school clique has fucked over, blacklisted and otherwise pissed off likely spilled their guts, with documentation to Nick and certainly to his Beardship.

Every day has to have these evil bastards popping blood pressure pills and anti-depressants. They know life is gonna change drastically one of these nights during Nick's show. They just don't know which night it'll be.
if these wronged people spilled their guts, wouldn’t their affidavits be on record already?


As much as Encyclopedia Dramatica is becoming a meme, Monica made it.
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All roads lead to Chris Chan. God bless the internet.
 
I'd say something about how "if only people started making anime on their own outside of Japan that would help", but I realize now that a lot of the problems in allowing that to happen doesn't just lie in society and its factors, but the fans themselves. It doesn't help that a lot of (the worst) fans who cling on tightly from the so called "golden age of anime" that happened in the United States and the 1990s have shown themselves to be absolutely culturally clueless clingons who can't let go from the past and are both moral and niche hobby social elitists who now dominate related major publications on their interests, and bitter spoiled working world exposed fujoshits and aforementioned anime elites angry that their hobby didn't get them laid, make the entire continental USA suck their dick for "showing them great animation" and give them awards for being a fucking hobbyist, and be accredited by Japan itself by them for "saving anime" or whatever trivial self important nerd faggotry, or in the former's case, are angry that Japan isn't their wonderland to fuck about and see okama do it all night everywhere they go and be treated like the spoiled first world suburbanite princesses/emasculated manlets they are.

And even then, I'd hate to see what kind of garbage they'd put out. We're already seeing RWBY turned into a full on self indulgent lesbian orgy on a man's grave, and the sickly off hue pastel pile of shit known as "High Guardian Spice" dumped from each of the creator's asses. Zac and Mike and everyone at ANN are such mainstream sensation tailing faggots despite their objections to the contrary, and Zac isn't just some artsy fartsy wannabe TGWTG faggot, but he and his fuck-thing created some gay faggot crap about fairies that divebombed into the earth facefirst for being everything the Bad Webcomics Wiki documents. Sean O' Mara is nothing but an ignorant and arrogant trust fund white boy baby who dicks his 1000 dollars a pop toys from 1980s Bubble era anime yet never knows "the eternal mystery" of why 1980s anime stopped being 1980s anime. This doesn't even count the endless hordes of internet journal "anime professionals" who waste their time yelling about current day anime and blame Japan anytime nothing goes their way. Fucks aren't just losers who can't draw or write, but are the epitome of "out of touch with present trends and seeing the bigger picture of things" that geeks and nerds have been stereotypically typecast with.

But what's this? A new challenger appears!

Now we have a wide range of ass end voice actors who have revealed themselves to be the omega grade sloppy seconds that not even independent film world America wants to touch (for fuck's sake Pauly fuckin' SHORE, CARROT TOP, TARA REID, AND MACKULAY CULKIN are still able to find work). And incoming MeToo? Dicksplash central there. This isn't even telling of how many of them don't even like anime and use it as a means for a paycheck. But wait! There's more!

Now we have these said voice actors coming out of the woodwork to gang up on someone they are absolutely jealous of, and are now willing to band up with the aforementioned "anime should be high art in the Western World" faggots to "depose feminism, sexist objectification, and sexual exploitation in the US anime and manga community".... when Marche and Rial have voiced countless hentai and sexy females in various anime. Gee, doesn't just sound like WHORE to me, but fucking THOTS as well. Don't forget their employers! Christopher Sabat fucking HATES anime fans!

tl;dr Talentless Self Absorbed Anime Fan Elitists Who Promote And Gatekeep their Hobby On A Professional Level + Self Entitled Fujoshis + Unenthusiastic WHORES of Money Grubbing Voice Actors Who Hate Their Fans = A Metaphorical Primordial Chaos that not even fucking Chronos and Uranus would know how to make creation and the universe out of.

I need a fucking drink and some fucking nootropics to go with it. This brain of mine ain't getting any younger or smaller!



And, a new frontier awaits. Let's welcome it.
All I can say is “making anime outside of Japan” led to RWBY, and after Monty died, Miles and Kerry (who were writers with Monty from day 1) have managed to destroy the goodwill they’ve had from people outside their bubble and RT have done in a year what some companies do over at least a decade in terms of taking Ls and bad PR. Also, there’s been literally nothing of High Guardian Spice since the announcement video dropped.

As for fans, I’d say that things could have started maybe in the late 90s/early to mid 2000s after Toonami started coming down from its peak. As the internet began to rise in the days before YouTube, and dubs ranged from DiC/Cloverway Sailor Moon to 4Kids One Piece, people who couldn’t afford Blockbuster or Hollywood Video turned to fansubs that came from anime forums and obscure websites. Fansubs had gone from some dude who sat alone at lunch or was in your anime club and both had a VCR and their Japanese down pat and whatever editing software they could get their hands on to online torrents and forum posts and p2p shit. With these fansubs being the only way to see these anime uncut and uncensored the “way they were meant to be watched”, watching and sharing fansubs turned into a duty for anime fans, like a mandate from either Heaven, Japan, or anime Uncle Sam, along with demonizing the dubbing studios that butchered true art and great stories and great characters.

And then, when Funimation came in and changed virtually nothing, the studio became studios and God’s. From the VAs to the writers to the engineers to the janitors, literal gods to anime fans.

And on these anime fans went. Onward and upward. With the 2003 Oscars and Studio Ghibli at the ready, they continue in a never ending quest to prove that anime is more than schoolgirls and tentacles.
 
Yes, I am. Both are iconic characters in video games, and Spiderman is a lot bigger than just Lowenthals performance. As for Ben 10, it was popular for it's time but it doesn't have the cultural significance of Spongebob.
Yuri's Spider-Man literally has gained critical acclaim everywhere. Reuben might be good and iconic, but his performance isn't close to being as well-known.

What does Spongebob have to do with this?
 
It looks like everyone's favorite unbeknownst-named-party-in-lawsuit-by-defendants-then-turned-affiant-for-the-plaintiff Stan Dahlin is being coy on Twitter again.

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I'd write it off as nothing, but the last time he was being cryptic he completely butt fucked Monica's testimony into oblivion, so I'll cut the man some slack. At least while I look for the popcorn bowl.
 
Yuri's Spider-Man literally has gained critical acclaim everywhere. Reuben might be good and iconic, but his performance isn't close to being as well-known.

What does Spongebob have to do with this?
Spongebob is a culturally significant character in western animation, ben 10 is not. As for Spiderman, the character has had over 20+ VAs with none of them ever being regarded as the definitive portrayal of the character.
 
Yuri's Spider-Man literally has gained critical acclaim everywhere. Reuben might be good and iconic, but his performance isn't close to being as well-known.

What does Spongebob have to do with this?
Yuri's Spider-Man isn't iconic, Spider-man is iconic. Yuri's voice isn't particularly distinct - if I was told someone was voiced by Yuri I might go "oh yeah, I can kinda hear that it's probably him yeah" but it's not something I'd notice just by hearing. I would not count Yuri as a public figure at all, honestly. He would have to be incredibly recognizable above and beyond most voice actors to manage something like that, and usually only if they've also done live-action acting like Tim Curry or Mark Hamill.

Hell, even @Hallstein995 's example of SpongeBob would be closer, since Tom Kenny's voice is really distinct and easily recognizable.

Not even being in a famous thing guarantees public figure. Here's a good example - do you know who played R2D2 in the original Star Wars movies? Do you think you could pick him out in a crowd on the street?
 
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There's good and bad in everyone. So Vic can be a great guy to fans and such but may possibly have done these bad things.
By his own retarded logic, how come Monica and Jamie can't be his good friends, great gals, wonderful humans....but have done this bad thing by exaggerating their experience with Vic? How the fuck do these people function properly in life with the rules for thee but not me mindset? Like honestly I know it's a fucking thing but it downright blows my mind every. single. time. Your take will be taken with all the consideration it deserves. Idiot.
 
You're both wrong and arguing something irrelevant. People don't like when well known VAs are swapped, and by 'well known' I mean 'this is the voice I'm used to'. Sean is the voice of Goku for the English speaking audience and has been for a long time. You're simply wrong when you try to say that Sean isn't. You don't have to like him, but it's still true. You're also wrong about there being zero characters written for non-Japanese seiyuus. Although I'm not certain about Russian etc, there's a couple of stories of characters being written with consideration of certain english voices in western-set anime, like Hellsing.

The whole sub supremacy thing is dumb, anyway. The fact that Japanese culture respects their voice actors marginally more than Western culture doesn't somehow translate into them being better at their jobs or better people. It just means you're a weeb who likes hearing someone screech in Japanese instead of English.
You keep talking about "liking." Why? I don't talk about liking or disliking. I talk about who has influence on the production. I personally don't like Japanese Goku. But, Akira Toriyama does not hear Sean's voice when he writes Goku, no matter how many English speakers do. Thus, Sean is not and never will be Goku. My personal opinion has nothing to do with that. Neither does yours.

You talk about being better at their jobs, yet I went out of my way to say that it doesn't matter how good they perform. Makes me think you just skipped right to sperging instead of reading.

And I'm going to need a serious source that shows that Alucard was written with Crispin Freeman in mind.
 
Yuri's Spider-Man isn't iconic, Spider-man is iconic. Yuri's voice isn't particularly distinct - if I was told someone was voiced by Yuri I might go "oh yeah, I can kinda hear that it's probably him yeah" but it's not something I'd notice just by hearing. I would not count Yuri as a public figure at all, honestly. He would have to be incredibly recognizable above and beyond most voice actors to manage something like that, and usually only if they've also done live-action acting like Tim Curry or Mark Hamill.

Hell, even @Hallstein995 's example of SpongeBob would be closer, since Tom Kenny's voice is really distinct and easily recognizable.

Not even being in a famous thing guarantees public figure. Here's a good example - do you know who played R2D2 in the original Star Wars movies? Do you think you could pick him out in a crowd on the street?
I couldn't, because he's dead.

Anyway, fine whatever. I give up.
 
I couldn't, because he's dead.

Anyway, fine whatever. I give up.
I legit didn't know he was dead. I'm not sure whether that proves my point about people not knowing shit about him, or if it just proves that I'm retarded. Probably both.

My argument is that 95% of all voice actors (film, anime, video game, etc.) are likely not public figures.
 
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"hurr good and bad traits are not mutually exclusive to a person, but I believe these 2 women wouldn't lie because they're good people".

What an absolute fucking brainlet, glad I'd never heard of his bum ass before this. I'm sure they'll hold a candlelight vigil for him when he dies from being so fucking dumb.
 
I think you're both a little to liberal with who you think is a public figure. Most people don't know who lowenthal or Blum are. The only anime VA to get that far is Troy Baker, and that didn't happen until Bioshock infinite.


Yuri Lowenthal, Troy Baker, Steve Blum, and Mona Marshall are all anime VA's who have come closest to any kind of actual mainstream popularity.

Troy Baker had Bioshock Infinite, obviously

Steve Blum is in a LOT of voice acting roles, both in anime and western animation. He voiced the main lead in Cowboy Bebop and is the voice of TOM from Toonami. Plus he's got a very long resume of roles both major and minor, similar to Billy West or Frank Welker.

Yuri Lowenthal's most iconic role is Sasuke Uchiha, and he's also gained some recognition outside of anime for his roles in Fallout: New Vegas and Spider-Man. I wouldn't quite say he's at mainstream status yet, but he's got potential.

Mona Marshall is known for her very distinctive voice and oddly enough, she probably is most well-known in the mainstream public for her work on Digimon, one of the earliest anime shows to truly break into the mainstream during the Pokemon fad of the late 1990's and early 2000's. She also is sort of known for being one of the few regulars on South Park not named Trey Parker or Matt Stone.

Then again, very few voice actors are truly popular in the mainstream and they mostly work in western animation, think along the lines of Hank Azaria, Tara Strong, Billy West, Tom Kenny, Frank Welker, and Nancy Cartwright.
 
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The doublethink and hypocrisy is strong with this one. R. Bruce Elliot here needs to reevaluate his positions, and actually
see the evidence. We're WAY past the believe woman stage my man, we're in the court affidavit stage buddy, this isn't
February 2019 anymore.

Also, I think I know what the R. in his name stands for too..it's not robert..
 
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