Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[indianshedevil]

I know we aren't supposed to conspire to do stuff off-site but, if she does get fired does that mean we can go to Twitter and change our names to #MonicaIsStillFired ?

That's perfectly optional.

 

[GeneralMint]

I know we aren't supposed to conspire to do stuff off-site but, if she does get fired does that mean we can go to Twitter and change our names to #MonicaIsStillFired ?

You are a grown ass man. Do what you want.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

A wall isnt made from a single brick, but by many. US law is based on precedent. It's why other similar cases are brought forward as evidence. The intention, I presume, is to minimize the changes to the interpretation of laws that come when a new generation of judges replaces the old. Consistency over changing drastically with each generation.

Sure, it's a drop in the bucket now, but when someone else's life is destroyed similar to how Vic's was. What ever lawyer they'd hire would pull up this case and use its outcome to assist their own

Yup. And also consider that legalese aside, one of the reasons #metoo got out of control was that no one legally challenged anything. Everyone wanted to avoid being the first/test case as they knew that it would be a social media war.

If nothing else, Vic was, if not the first, he was the first that got ANY positive attention. And his fight will embolden others to also fight back, building a wall of another kind brick by brick.

Edit: And THAT is why kickvic and the feminist mob will continue to fight to stop him. They cannot afford to be exposed for what they are - Liars that intentionally hurt actual victims just to forward their intersectional agenda.

 

[indianshedevil]

You are a grown ass man. Do what you want.

It is a decision made by one person and one person alone.

 

[TheClappening]

Unless Im wrong, which is very possible, the atyorneys fees recovered are only related to the tcpa filing itself. Not the depisition, motions, etc. That is a drop in the bucket of stupid costs.

Almost certain it covers everything (within reason), with the reasoning being that a defendant shouldn't have to pay anything if some asshole sues them frivolously.

 

[Urbanmech]

Almost certain it covers everything (within reason), with the reasoning being that a defendant shouldn't have to pay anything if some asshole sues them frivolously.

By that note though the defendants wanted the Depo's. They could have just filed a TCPA and been done with it but instead had all this crap for depositions that are not needed for the TCPA.

 

[GeneralMint]

By that note though the defendants wanted the Depo's. They could have just filed a TCPA and been done with it but instead had all this crap for depositions that are not needed for the TCPA.

If any and all attorneys costs could be granted, the anti slapp, by virtue of the possibility of financially penalizing the plaintiff for seeking damages, essentially can become a slapp case itself. Im glad Ty is planning to challenge its constitutionality. Making Vic pay for lemondick's time preparing his 500 page manifesto of stupidity would be a travesty, as the motion could have been filed in roughly 2 pages with his arguments presented at hearing.

 

[TheClappening]

If any and all attorneys costs could be granted, the anti slapp, by virtue of the possibility of financially penalizing the plaintiff for seeking damages, essentially can become a slapp case itself. Im glad Ty is planning to challenge its constitutionality. Making Vic pay for lemondick's time preparing his 500 page manifesto of stupidity would be a travesty, as the motion could have been filed in roughly 2 pages with his arguments presented at hearing.

That's why I qualified with "within reason".

On the off chance that Vic loses TCPA (especially against MoRon), I bet you Chupp is going to give that 500+ page filing the fish eye.

Or the fact the defendants waited until the last minute instead of filing anti-SLAPP at the soonest opportunity, which is what should happen.

 

[AnOminous]

Unless Im wrong, which is very possible, the atyorneys fees recovered are only related to the tcpa filing itself. Not the depisition, motions, etc. That is a drop in the bucket of stupid costs.

No, TCPA makes the defendant whole for the entire (reasonable) cost of the proceedings. That's the POINT of it.

I think there would be a good argument it shouldn't cover absolutely unnecessary expenses like the depositions there was no reason to take before filing the TCPA, but in general, the point of anti-SLAPP is it's supposed to protect the defendant in a frivolous lawsuit from having to pay for it by shifting the costs and attorney fees to the frivolous litigant who brought the suit.

Note: in many cases, the TCPA filing will actually be the only fees and costs, because the defendant's first response is a TCPA motion. There might be nonfrivolous reasons it's necessary to do something else first, though this isn't such a case and I think in this case, even assuming defendants somehow completely win all causes of action, their nonsensical, unnecessary and burdensome filings shouldn't be completely covered.

 

[Allanon]

James lee whatever is just the sock account for Sir Salisbury/tougakun/the guy with the sailor moon cosplay picture who pretends to be important. His idea of 'making a script to search all of your twitter' is probably just manually scrolling through someone's twitter feed looking for things to report until his butthurt fades. He's one of those irrelevant kickvic hangers on who think the drama can make them important.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Didn't Jamie, in particular, break some kind of legal rules or something early on?,

 

[indianshedevil]

James lee whatever is just the sock account for Sir Salisbury/tougakun/the guy with the sailor moon cosplay picture who pretends to be important. His idea of 'making a script to search all of your twitter' is probably just manually scrolling through someone's twitter feed looking for things to report until his butthurt fades. He's one of those irrelevant kickvic hangers on who think the drama can make them important.

And he is also an annoying KickVic person who screams out "HEY! INTERACT WITH ME! I'M IN NEED OF YOUR ATTENTION!".

 

[Archeopthryx]

They are just envious of Racket's Broly statue. It's a prize figure you speds! You could get one for 15 bucks!

 

[Zero Day Defense]

No, TCPA makes the defendant whole for the entire (reasonable) cost of the proceedings. That's the POINT of it.

I think there would be a good argument it shouldn't cover absolutely unnecessary expenses like the depositions there was no reason to take before filing the TCPA, but in general, the point of anti-SLAPP is it's supposed to protect the defendant in a frivolous lawsuit from having to pay for it by shifting the costs and attorney fees to the frivolous litigant who brought the suit.

Note: in many cases, the TCPA filing will actually be the only fees and costs, because the defendant's first response is a TCPA motion. There might be nonfrivolous reasons it's necessary to do something else first, though this isn't such a case and I think in this case, even assuming defendants somehow completely win all causes of action, their nonsensical, unnecessary and burdensome filings shouldn't be completely covered.

Would the fact that they insisted on doing depositions before filing their anti-SLAPP motion weigh against them?

 

[AnOminous]

Would the fact that they insisted on doing depositions before filing their anti-SLAPP motion weigh against them?

Not for the motion but for expecting to have their costs/fees for that covered. There was no TCPA-related reason for that and it was completely unnecessary expense they inflicted on themselves.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It seems really really stupid for MoRon’s lawyer to keep dragging this out since a) they’re not paid and b)Vic has a War Chest. Like if MoRon was paying them, I could see a reason to drag this out as long as possible, but yeah...

 

[Crazedking]

No, TCPA makes the defendant whole for the entire (reasonable) cost of the proceedings. That's the POINT of it.

I think there would be a good argument it shouldn't cover absolutely unnecessary expenses like the depositions there was no reason to take before filing the TCPA, but in general, the point of anti-SLAPP is it's supposed to protect the defendant in a frivolous lawsuit from having to pay for it by shifting the costs and attorney fees to the frivolous litigant who brought the suit.

Note: in many cases, the TCPA filing will actually be the only fees and costs, because the defendant's first response is a TCPA motion. There might be nonfrivolous reasons it's necessary to do something else first, though this isn't such a case and I think in this case, even assuming defendants somehow completely win all causes of action, their nonsensical, unnecessary and burdensome filings shouldn't be completely covered.

There is something i dont understand about the TCPA/SLAPP. Why are the parties allowed to deposed vic and then put forth a TCPA? I mean BHBH got to depose Moronica which is fair but how come funi and marchi have not been deposed but have been allowed to depose vic as well?

It just seems weird that they get to depose vic and Vic doesnt get to depose them. Shouldnt TCPA be 1. Filed before any party is deposed or 2. filed after BOTH/all party are deposed.

 

[3ducated1]

Yup. And also consider that legalese aside, one of the reasons #metoo got out of control was that no one legally challenged anything. Everyone wanted to avoid being the first/test case as they knew that it would be a social media war.

If nothing else, Vic was, if not the first, he was the first that got ANY positive attention. And his fight will embolden others to also fight back, building a wall of another kind brick by brick.

Edit: And THAT is why kickvic and the feminist mob will continue to fight to stop him. They cannot afford to be exposed for what they are - Liars that intentionally hurt actual victims just to forward their intersectional agenda.

Part of me feels like suggesting that they're fighting back to protect their crumbling narrative is giving them too much intellectual credit. The sheer incompetence I've seen suggests to me that beyond their maliciousness, they're largely just ignorant. Thus regardless of the outcome and being exposed, these people will still find a way to scream into the megaphone so to speak.

I guess to be fair though I'm not really aware of older cases of people going on the offensive to beat this type of bullshit. Vic getting crowdfunded for this is admittedly somewhat novel.

 

[AnOminous]

It just seems weird that they get to depose vic and Vic doesnt get to depose them. Shouldnt TCPA be 1. Filed before any party is deposed or 2. filed after BOTH/all party are deposed.

I don't think when they drafted the TCPA, they considered the idea that for no sane reason, a defendant in a libel action might decide to engage in highly expensive discovery abuse just so they could use what they turned up to keep libeling the plaintiff while at the same time putting off filing the TCPA motion itself until the absolute last minute.

Because that isn't what a rational defendant does.

 

[Doctor D]

I don't think when they drafted the TCPA, they considered the idea that for no sane reason, a defendant in a libel action might decide to engage in highly expensive discovery abuse just so they could use what they turned up to keep libeling the plaintiff while at the same time putting off filing the TCPA motion itself until the absolute last minute.

Because that isn't what a rational defendant does.

I imagine hiring 3 lawfirms might be considered more than "reasonable attornies fees". I know that when Trump used his super expensive lawyer(singular) and won TCPA or the equivalent, he got 75%. I wouldn't be surprised if they only get a third of their costs. Of course they gotta win first and I find that