Manosphere Marijan Šiklić (ThatIncelBlogger) 2: The Revenge

[Ryker]

Serious question, Holden: would you say that you have the capacity to respect women individually as a basic tenet of an enlightened society or are women to serve as helpmeets to their menfolk? My point is, are women defined by their relationships with men, or by their worth as individuals?

I interpreted that as a woman doesn't get a say in...anything really. Like the man decides who drives the car, what they have for dinner, what colour to paint the walls, everything. The woman is only meant to smile and nod and say yes dear and do the dishes after cooking the dinner, that kinda stuff.
Basically I think @Holden wants the 40's.

I think Lalala, positing your position, has answered my question, Holden. 'Cause you didn't. Women are defined by their relationship to a stratified male social web and are cast into their roles independently of any individual value whatsoever. Men are men, unless they are rapeapes, and women are arbitrarily cast into roles depending on their ability to remain chaste, downtrodden, defined by the gaze of the other, soulless fuckholes. Pardon my French.

what if I don't want that? What if I want a relationship defined by a woman's individuality? By her ability to be herself, have dreams, wants, hopes, aspirations, yearnings, a sense of self, strength, intelligence, care, courage, etc., & etc. I don't want a fucktoy. I don't want a predefined anything. It's plain nasty. Do you see where I am coming from?

 

[AP 297]

I have the first part, so here's the complete log now:

This is the backstory as to why Holden is mad at me.
So, I think I'm the crazy person and mental patient Holden is talking about, just to let you guys know. Maybe @Holden could confirm or deny this.

But I have to say: I just love the fact that you are willing to talk about the most horrible things about what your twisted worldview implies and when it comes to talking about things that would actually make you look likable, you suddenly feel the need to restrain yourself.


How am I supposed to do that? Tell me please.
But since it is such a popular demand: I'm willing to swear not to use the picture of your dog in case you decide to post it here. So just give them what they want.

So, you are the guy! Glad to meet you! I knew you were writing the article, so congrats on being his bane and fear for life!

I have been giving him a bit of hell. I think he is an edgelord and really just wants us to hate him. I see a few tendencies, so we cooked up this experiment to see if he would talk about himself without us hating him. It was very quiet...

 

[Cuck Norris]

what if I don't want that? What if I want a relationship defined by a woman's individuality? By her ability to be herself, have dreams, wants, hopes, aspirations, yearnings, a sense of self, strength, intelligence, care, courage, etc., & etc. I don't want a fucktoy. I don't want a predefined anything. It's plain nasty. Do you see where I am coming from?

"Something something you idiot ! Something FEMISPHERE something something LIBERALS something BANGING APES ON THE SIDE something MODERN WESTERN SOCIETY."

Ya know, in case you actually wanted a Marijan answer.

 

[Venusaur]

But I have to say: I just love the fact that you are willing to talk about the most horrible things about what your twisted worldview implies and when it comes to talking about things that would actually make you look likable, you suddenly feel the need to restrain yourself.

The really sad thing is that there's probably nothing else to him. He probably doesn't have any skills, hobbies or interests that don't revolve around his delusional world views, sex and hating women. : /

 

[Ryker]

"Something something you idiot ! Something FEMISPHERE something something LIBERALS something BANGING APES ON THE SIDE something MODERN WESTERN SOCIETY."

Ya know, in case you actually wanted a Marijan answer.

LOL! Nice, man. I gotta rate that winner.

 

[Saney]

I have the first part, so here's the complete log now:

This is the backstory as to why Holden is mad at me.
So, I think I'm the crazy person and mental patient Holden is talking about, just to let you guys know. Maybe @Holden could confirm or deny this.

But I have to say: I just love the fact that you are willing to talk about the most horrible things about what your twisted worldview implies and when it comes to talking about things that would actually make you look likable, you suddenly feel the need to restrain yourself.


How am I supposed to do that? Tell me please.
But since it is such a popular demand: I'm willing to swear not to use the picture of your dog in case you decide to post it here. So just give them what they want.

We all appreciate the info, but please, spoilers.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Well, that's dull. I thought we might have been about to hear why @Satan was so terrible and it turns out it's Ceph the whole time.

I have to say, and I know this risks sounding very Tumblr, but I'm just dead bored with "mental patient" as an insult for Ceph. Anybody who seeks treatment for depression even once, and it is shockingly common, is technically a "mental patient." I mean, sorry not sorry, I'm not gonna quit the therapy I go to for severe Complex PTSD so I can stop having flashbacks of that ungodly wreck I was in. So if Marijan thinks "mental patients" are more apt to do bad things, this is (like the rest of his beliefs about humans and society) a ridiculous holdover from ancient times. My unusual behavior that normal people don't do isn't even a behavior, it's fucking nightmares about drunken vehicle operators in the middle of the night.

The more people put this theory forward, the more I'm inclined to believe it -- that Marijan somehow wants, indeed needs, to be despised by other people because this fits his poor self-image and view of the world constructed around that self-image. You can't even get him to agree that it is possible to pursue some activity for its own sake. His degree is in medieval history, which is actually really interesting. His break with consensus reality prevents him from seeing all of the creative pursuits that could be spun out of that, purely for his own sake and without financing modern blah blah etc. It's super sad.

 

[Holy wait what?]

my argument was that it is irrelevant if you misconstrue my words on purpose or not.

See, this is where you get things wrong. If something is misconstrued by accident, then it is not a lie... it is a fucking accident. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie

So, now fucking well show me where I lied... not where I used a fucking synonym, but where I actively lied to convey a false impression. That means you need to know the INTENTION behind my words, which means it very fucking relevant if it was on purpose or not.

Thing is, I know you can't... if you could you would have done so already. All you are doing is trying to prevaricate in an attempt to distract from the fact that you claimed something you really cannot prove... and it doesn't help you when you don't understand English well enough to notice that so many words can mean the same damned thing.

Oh, and you're still a coward.

 

[Ryker]

Well that is a hell of a post, NobleGreyHorse. I rated it but it needs further comment. Thank you for posting. And I say this as someone who suffers from psychotic depression (yes, I used to hear things that weren't there: bands, foxhunts, circuses, orchestras, mass murders, etc.).

There you go Holden! I've shared. How about yourself?

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

See, this is where you get things wrong. If something is misconstrued by accident, then it is not a lie... it is a fucking accident. /QUOTE]
yes, but my point is that you are stupid and do this all the time.

But I have to say: I just love the fact that you are willing to talk about the most horrible things about what your twisted worldview implies and when it comes to talking about things that would actually make you look likable, you suddenly feel the need to restrain yourself.

It's not about what makes me likable or not. It's that my views can be shared, but various tidbits of my personal info can't, due to mentally ill losers like you.

and, yes, of course idiot see my views as twisted. in a twisted world sane views are seen as twisted.

 

[AP 297]

Notice how he only responded to the angry poster or Ceph. This is what he wants guys...

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

Naw, he thinks Saudi Arabia and Iran are basically the best places ever.

not true at all. muslim societies pretty much suck and were never coalpha societies.

the thing is, they are sustainable. liberal ones aren't. they are death.

 

[AP 297]

and, yes, of course idiot see my views as twisted. in a twisted world sane views are seen as twisted.

Are you trying to provoke us? That is so cute!

 

[4Macie]

@Cephalometrist Did Holden ever provide you his "list" of everything that was wrong with your article? He never posted it in the thread by null.

Holden always says "you're wrong" but whenever someone asks why he says "because you're an idiot". I've asked him multiple times to correct the summary of his dating life because he claims I have too many women in it; but when I ask him which ones to combine, he just relinks me his blog like a turdflower.

Did he ever give you a list, or just say "everything is wrong, just cuz, so fix it."

 

[Cuck Norris]

not true at all. muslim societies pretty much suck and were never coalpha societies.

the thing is, they are sustainable. liberal ones aren't. they are death.

Yeah all those people starving to death, and constant in-fighting over who has the proper interpretation of their fairy tale. Real sustainable.

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

Yeah all those people starving to death

it seems your knowledge of the muslim world is as poor as your knowledge of everything else

@Cephalometrist Did Holden ever provide you his "list" of everything that was wrong with your article? He never posted it in the thread by null.

just understand one thing. i have more of a problem with null's claims. ceph is something else. he is genuinely insane and should be banned. i don't have a problem with his claims (which are often wrong as well) but his entire sick obsession with somebody he never even saw. i can understand somebody being obsessed with chris, who posted so many videos and always does something new. but in my case - c'mon.

 

[Holy wait what?]

Notice how he only responded to the angry poster or Ceph. This is what he wants guys...

Eh, not angry, but could be misconstrued as such.

You're right though, he wants angry attention.

 

[Ryker]

in a twisted world sane views are seen as twisted.

In a sane world your views are seen as twisted.

Word games are easy, Holden, how about something of substance?

 

[Holy wait what?]

In a sane world your views are seen as twisted.

Word games are easy, Holden, how about something of substance?

You're hopeful...

 

[4Macie]

Notice how he only responded to the angry poster or Ceph. This is what he wants guys...

He doesn't want to talk to controlled people with civil questions because it bores him and he can't counter it.
But, for example, when I asked "why would you ask your mom THREE TIMES to screw you if you'd have turned it down had she said yes? What's the point in that?" he won't respond. Know why? Because he knows that him saying "I didn't really want the sex" is impossible. If the sex is offered, men can't say no, according to Holden. That's why they can't be raped. So, if God forbid, Holden's mom HAD said yes, he'd have fucked her. Because logic (insert sarcasm for Holden here... meaning it's not really logical thinking)

Oh look, as I'm typing this he responded to me, BUT not to my question to him, but to my question to someone else completely. Insanity at its finest folks.