حلال TranLord - Let me preface this by saying I like the idea of fucking dogs

[cirno]

What the holy shit. This is the biggest clusterfuck I've seen in a while.

 

[Chained Divinity]

You're a pedophile. That is what you are. If you want to argue semantics; you may not be a pedophile if you haven't actually committed the deed, so at worst you are a pedophile sympathizer.

Your train of thought seems to be on par with that of a Holocaust denier. If one bit of our argument seems out of line or hypocritical, the entire logic behind, "You should not have sex with children", falls apart for you. There isn't a single fact, document or study that says you shouldn't have sex with children, there are millions. While you say if there is one fact/document/study that says it's okay to have sex with kids, that's all you need.

This is not how logic works.

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

 

[Meowthkip]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

 

[XH 502]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

RAINN on the lasting issues stemming from childhood sexual abuse

Here's some more

Here's an in-depth look

Holy shit, it's like there's real fucking issues linked to this or something

 

[cirno]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

 

[& Knuckles]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

Jesus christ you sound like an anti-vaxxer

 

[CatParty]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

Just stop mr morse.

 

[melty]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

Ok, how is your childfucking logic any better then? Like you have a bunch of studies saying fucking kids is great and doesn't hurt them at all and those studies are all somehow more rigorous than the large body of psychological research saying otherwise? Your "oh the problems could be from regular abuse and sex has nothing to do with it!" falls apart when there are also plenty of studies on the effects of physical abuse that doesn't include sexual abuse, and while physical abuse certainly creates longterm issues from what I've seen it's not nearly on the magnitude of what childhood sexual abuse causes. Heck, I even know a girl who entered into a sexual relationship with her father as a preteen in arguably the most consensual way that's possible and she still readily admits he took advantage of her and it has directly resulted in a lack of trust, depression and hypersexuality. BTW I have a BS in Psychology, who gave you your degree, NAMBLA?

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

This idiot is like @Holden with training wheels on.

@Chained Divinity , edgy tryhards are a dime a dozen. If you want to sport that natty blue banner, you will need to up your game considerably. Why don't you try shitposting for 36 hours straight, forcing everyone to the uncomfortable conclusion that you've misappropriated the cat's litterbox for your own personal use? Or amuse us with your baffling animosity toward inexplicable things like "trucker gods?" @Holden hasn't made us any videos yet - maybe you could try that. Bring something new to the table.

I mean, Marijan has "Rape Ape" on lockdown, but you haven't even worked your way up the evolutionary tree to "Molestation Marmoset." At best, you're at "Bad-touch Blobfish," if only blobfish could grow a neckbeard.

Try harder, you fucking tryhard.

 

[Treblinkachu]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

you are not making any sense right now

try banging your head on the keyboard at a different angle perhaps

 

[Yog-Sothoth]

I seriously can't believe the shit I just read. Beasting and pedo discussion in one thread.

 

[BensonGumballz]

Jesus christ you sound like an anti-vaxxer

Anti-vaxxers are above this guy, but that's kind of like comparing having the shits to having to constantly vomit.

 

[AnOminous]

Can we get a new thread name? This may have started with dogmongling but I think we found who the real lolcow of this thread is, and that's Holden 2.0 here.

I think this deserves one of those threads with a list of aliases and names separated by slashes.

 

[Pancake]

Show me one such document then. Since there are so many.

And be aware, logic and "a study said so, so it's true" are not the same thing. Studies can be conducted badly. Scientists admit this.

you have no idea what you're talking about. scientific studies have little to do with it when there are victims to tell you how wrong you are, including me. Stop deluding yourself. You are gross.

 

[Locksnap]

Hey @Chained Divinity , as a side note to all this talk about the ethics of consent, have you ever been diagnosed with autism? I'm seriously asking you this.

 

[Chained Divinity]

RAINN on the lasting issues stemming from childhood sexual abuse

Here's some more

Here's an in-depth look

Holy shit, it's like there's real fucking issues linked to this or something

A'ight! See, this is something. I respect that. However, if you read your sources carefully, there's a common theme.

While each individual’s experiences and reactions are unique, there are some responses to child sexual abuse that are common to many survivors:

Some victims may appear to be free of the above symptoms (page 16

Professor Bessel van Der Kolk, Harvard Medical School conducted a five year study of 528 trauma patients from American hospitals. This study identified a range of symptoms that correlated well with prolonged severe childhood sexual abuse:

The "prolonged severe" part will come up later, but basically the research done on the subject acknowledges that there are differing degrees of abuse and abuse trauma. Even your own sources acknowledge this.

While the nature and severity of the sexual act may cause more serious impact, many other factors may influence the degree of damage the victim experiences. Other factors may include the perspective of the individual, the individual’s internal resources, and the individual’s level of support (Courtois, 1988, as cited in Ratican)

Moreover, I checked a few of the studies your own sources linked to, and found some more support.

For instance, click on the link in the words "traumatic sexualization" and you'll find a study (in PDF, I'm not sure I can link it, but I told you exactly how to get it and it's not difficult) It says a lot of things, but one of the key ones is this:

The four traumagenic dynamics do not apply solely to the abuse event. They are ongoing processes that have a history prior to and a future subsequent to the abuse. They can be assessed in each phase. In the pre-abuse phase, the traumagenic dynamics need to be understood particularly in relation to a child’s family life and personality characteristics prior to the abuse. For example, a child who was a previous victim of physical or emotional abuse may have already been suffering from a disempowering dynamic before the abuse occurred. However, an eldest child with important responsibilities, living in a fairly healthy family environment, may have acquired a well developed sense of personal efficacy and powerfulness. In such a context, the disempowering aspects of a sexual abuse experience may have only a minor or transient effect. If the child had experienced an unstable family configuration, in which the loyalty of significant others was in doubt, then the dynamic of betrayal may have already been strongly potentiated. However, the betrayal dynamic from the sexual abuse experience might be substantially less for a child who had a sense of trust firmly established.

And, well, check the link about children free of symptoms.

The point of all this, really, is that these studies lump together everything stemming from "Father forced child to have sex with him physically" to "Decided one day on their own to have sex with a prostitute" (actually happened to a victim I knew). That's knowing about the symptoms more general rape brings onto adults, and that's knowing the incest taboo we have. The sources are extremely disingenuous about this.

 

[DN 420]

Chained Divinity absolutely deserves his own thread.

I don't even think TranLord does merely for the fact they aren't saying anything stupid except for that one post.

 

[Dalish]

A'ight! See, this is something. I respect that. However, if you read your sources carefully, there's a common theme.

The "prolonged severe" part will come up later, but basically the research done on the subject acknowledges that there are differing degrees of abuse and abuse trauma. Even your own sources acknowledge this.

There are also different human reactions to arsenic poisoning, but that doesn't make it any less good to drink.

Trauma affects different people in different ways. That doesn't make it okay to fucking traumatize and rape children.

 

[Mollybdenum]

Condensed for clarity.

So if there's one child out there who approaches you for sex, it's completely their choice. You would take it?

 

[melty]

I feel like you may have missed this party of the study you linked:
"Unfortunately, few investigators have reported on such asymptomatic children, perhaps out of concern that such figures may be misinterpreted or misused."

Some people are also genuinely unaffected because they suffer from something else. Sociopathy is a big one, I've read many accounts of sociopaths who were abused as children and other than an outburst of rage/revenge it didn't affect them at all.