Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Mythrilius]

SNIP-SNIP!
It could be a fun exercise in trying to put our selves in the shoes of our enemy.

A number of people, including myself, have been already. There really hasn't been anything new for us to "put our feet into" ...yet...

After depositions, and definitely after those affidavits got torn up, they've changed what they consider to be a victory on their side. Now its "we've already won by exposing all this!"...despite the fact that normal people see it as vindication for Vic with their stories as little more than a giant load of whoreshit.

Yet they will keep moving the goalposts to suit their "narrative". Notice that everything being spewed as "new evidence" since the TCPA's dropped is all from the Defendant's/their orbiters...

EDIT: With the exception of @EriMin that is. Her posts, along with Stan's, are shining some light into some holes that I'm sure the Defendant's/their allies aren't liking one bit right now.

I explained earlier that "The tide had turned." We knocked down the two big claims and now have sources to bat them down if they reappear. Now every new claim seems to be getting debunked within hours.

We caught up on the bullshit spewing. KickVic is on the reactionary side now. They are no longer in control of the narrative.

I fully agree on the narrative loss of control. They signaled that to the world when they published that #metoo hit piece in the Dallas paper. The recent twits from T. Greg et. al. really show the "we're on the defensive" now.

Marzgurl will shut up out of necessity in regards to vic. But she will move on to bitch about something else. Hopefully something worth bitching about and not just sjw troll shielding to cover up for her own history of creeper friends.

IMO her, along with most of the others, will undoubtedly move on to another target. Some will stick to their ideology that the Plaintiff is who thay say he is, regardless of the truth/proof. However, with that being said, they may "look before they leap" the next time around regarding a softer and more vulnerable target to get their dopamine/asspat fixes on.

Having said all of that, and poking my mind into the enemy's for just a bit, riddle me this: Why am I getting this odd feeling lately looking at/reading about Chris Sabat, is that he is the anime version of Harvey Weinstein? Something in his eyes is making me go "Hmm..."

 

[Dopey Cunt]

When Jacqueline L. Miller published the staff list for Tekkoshocon 2007 several months ago on Twitter, Lynn Hunt urged her to take it down. She was insistent that nobody get that list. Jacqueline L. Miller removed her tweet, but left it up on Facebook where it was found recently.

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The staff list shows that John Prager, who testified that he was the Head of Security, was actually the Head of Public Safety. This seems like a minor distinction, but Lynn Hunt educated us all in a recent blog entry that conventions do this because they cannot legally call their untrained volunteers security.

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Whitney Lynn Falba, (Maiden name: Whitney Robinson) testified that she was the Live Events Chair but the staff list for that year's convention has her as the Department Head of Industry. Chris Aumiller was the Department Head of Live Events.

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Interesting...I wonder if they just took the liberty of just making up their own titles to make themselves sound more important and credible than they actually are.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Interesting that someone wants to hide a list of potential witnesses that's been out in the public for years.

 

[Nontransferable]

Interesting...I wonder if they just took the liberty of just making up their own titles to make themselves sound more important and credible than they actually are.

Lynn Hunt omitted any mention of AMVs in her affidavit for that reason.

Lynn, you love AMVs. Why'd you leave out that you were the anime music videos contest coordinator?

 

[Lord Xenu]

Do any of the affidavits from the bit players (besides the woman's from the school play back in 1892) have any claims of actual sexual harassment in them? I haven't read everything out there but most of what I have seen can be summed up as minor rudeness or infighting.

I am sure somebody has said this before but in the long run, it doesn't seem like it will be doing the defendants any favors. It just establishes a history of bickering, jealousy, and dislike of Vic for relatively minor things. I'm sure it looks bigger to them because they hate him so bad that any minor quirk would be enough to set this incestuous bunch gossiping.

Are the affidavits from before they got lawyers or something? Seems to establish a documented bias, not really something beneficial for them, unless I misunderstand.

 

[Monkey Prick]

I thought Renfamous was running the servers?

There was a discord server set up by Marchi (who tried very badly to hide it was her at first) even from the snippet that one scorned KV posted to twitter it was obvious gay ops were happening in there. Marchi outright told people on the discord to "drag" a convention that had cancelled her appearance.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Tbh, even though I'm mostly a sub watcher, I don't get what everyone hypes up the Subs for. Besides getting the material in its purest form (apart from Manga) without adding in some stupid changes, I really don't think they're all as good as sub elitists make it out to seem. I mean, I'm in no way saying that the Dub actors are superior to them, but there are certain nuances and tones that don't translate well across the cultural and language barriers. That TotallyNotMark video I posted earlier where he compares the Dub and sub show that.

When 4Kids and DiC/Cloverway were things, watching fansubs was considered a duty for anime fans. And these were the days before things like Crunchyroll, so you had to resort to things like obscure fansites, torrents, and tape sharing at conventions. That's why subs are treated like gifts from God.

Elitism. Nothing more.

You go through enough Digibro videos and it becomes apparent the type of person we're talking about. His last appearance on the Dick Show was pretty rancid. Claiming, among other things, everybody who does dubs should be fired.

Until this shit show, I was about 50/50 on dubs vs subs. Sometimes the dub is crap, or a Japanese VA is really good.

Now, I'm sub only out of necessity. I ain't paying Funimation a dime ever again.

Well, there's also Aniplex, Sentai, and Viz Media, the last one considered to be gods now to Sailor Moon fans. However, I'm not sure if those guys have their own Vic and/or Sabat situation(s).

Having said all of that, and poking my mind into the enemy's for just a bit, riddle me this: Why am I getting this odd feeling lately looking at/reading about Chris Sabat, is that he is the anime version of Harvey Weinstein? Something in his eyes is making me go "Hmm..."

Because he looks like Harvey Weinstein?

There was a discord server set up by Marchi (who tried very badly to hide it was her at first) even from the snippet that one scorned KV posted to twitter it was obvious gay ops were happening in there. Marchi outright told people on the discord to "drag" a convention that had cancelled her appearance.

That saga was so long ago that I'm hoping Ty was able to get that shit. And since it originated on the Farms, I'm hoping that it won't be thrown out for "being collected illlegally".

 

[Dopey Cunt]

Lynn Hunt omitted any mention of AMVs in her affidavit for that reason.

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Lynn, you love AMVs. Why'd you leave out that you were the anime music videos contest coordinator?
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I suspect that it was mostly omitted because it would be awkward having to explain to the judge what an AMV is. That's a small thing at least. She didn't go as far as to give herself some whacked out titled that made her sound way more important than just some broad who oversaw anime music videos and when they'd be played.
But at least it puts into perspective that yes, they are indeed trying to make themselves seem like they were in higher positions at the times they describe in their affidavits.

Do any of the affidavits from the bit players (besides the woman's from the school play back in 1892) have any claims of actual sexual harassment in them? I haven't read everything out there but most of what I have seen can be summed up as minor rudeness or infighting.

I am sure somebody has said this before but in the long run, it doesn't seem like it will be doing the defendants any favors. It just establishes a history of bickering, jealousy, and dislike of Vic for relatively minor things. I'm sure it looks bigger to them because they hate him so bad that any minor quirk would be enough to set this incestuous bunch gossiping.

Are the affidavits from before they got lawyers or something? Seems to establish a documented bias, not really something beneficial for them, unless I misunderstand.

Yes, it's been pointed out before. A lot of the stuff in the affidavits are hearsay and non admissible. Most of it was just their opinion on how they thought someone felt when they saw them interact with Vic, same way they got angry on Elba's behalf when they saw the picture of her making a strained face at the charity auction. All of it is assumptions: they THOUGHT someone looked uncomfortable, she LOOKED like she was underage, they THOUGHT Vic was yelling at someone in anger on purpose. On top of that, a lot of them made claims that they weren't qualified to make. It's one of those cases where it's quality of quantity. With all their bluster and sheer number of "people coming forward", it doesn't matter in the end because almost all of those affidavits are hot garbage, non admissible and utterly useless for the defendants. It's not helping their case, it's helping to discredit them. Shooting themselves in the foot as some would say.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

When 4Kids and DiC/Cloverway were things, watching fansubs was considered a duty for anime fans. And these were the days before things like Crunchyroll, so you had to resort to things like obscure fansites, torrents, and tape sharing at conventions. That's why subs are treated like gifts from God.


Well, there's also Aniplex, Sentai, and Viz Media, the last one considered to be gods now to Sailor Moon fans. However, I'm not sure if those guys have their own Vic and/or Sabat situation(s).


Because he looks like Harvey Weinstein?


That saga was so long ago that I'm hoping Ty was able to get that shit. And since it originated on the Farms, I'm hoping that it won't be thrown out for "being collected illlegally".

I liked most of the bad dubs back in the day. I became a sub elitist because dubbies who'd settle for utter mediocrity like FUNi One Piece judged people for liking the "objectively bad" dubs.

I'll say this: most of the "ass rape the source material" dubs understood dramatic voice acting was necessary, especially Digimon and 4kids YGO DM. A shame dubs are only good in video games these days.

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

Now, I'm sub only out of necessity. I ain't paying Funimation a dime ever again.

I prefer dubs so I can focus on the visuals. So I just pirate shit now.

 

[Private Pyle]

I liked most of the bad dubs back in the day. I became a sub elitist because dubbies who'd settle for utter mediocrity like FUNi One Piece judged people for liking the "objectively bad" dubs.

I'll say this: most of the "ass rape the source material" dubs understood dramatic voice acting was necessary, especially Digimon and 4kids YGO DM. A shame dubs are only good in video games these days.

This argument falls apart when you realize that not every dub was assrape; Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop existed back then so even then, there was a measuring stick for what was good and what was bad. Not to mention that people who dub for video games also dub for a lot of anime so shouldn’t you hate them too?
I dunno man, it just sounds like you got made fun for liking certain dubs and extended that hatred for all “dubbies” (god strike me down for that). The One Piece Funi dub isn’t even that bad; not as good as the later DB anime or FMA but far from mediocre.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

This argument falls apart when you realize that not every dub was assrape; Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop existed back then so even then, there was a measuring stick for what was good and what was bad. Not to mention that people who dub for video games also dub for a lot of anime so shouldn’t you hate them too?
I dunno man, it just sounds like you got made fun for liking certain dubs and extended that hatred for all “dubbies” (god strike me down for that). The One Piece Funi dub isn’t even that bad; not as good as the later DB anime or FMA but far from mediocre.

FUNi Piece is inferior old FUNi Z with Linda Young Freeza. Its nowhere near FMA quality. Bleach and Naruto had better dubs, especially the former.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

I'm not a sub elitist. I tend to jump back and forth between dub or sub depending on how..good it feels? If that makes sense?
Japanese VAs sound more natural when they voice their characters to me in some series although that could be because I'm not familiar with Japanese inflections in their voice. Let me see if I can come up with an example...
Uhm...let me use Fire Emblem 3 Houses. Yes, I know it's not an anime but it's the most recent thing I have that has both dub and sub. I prefer the sub because the characters feel more natural as opposed to dub. Not because I believe it should only be subbed because japanesemasterrace, but because the english voices for the characters feel...forced? Like you can tell by listening that the VAs are reading from a script and trying to impart personality into the characters. It comes off a robotic to me however so I prefer listening to them speak in japanese. Their voices are more animated and they include small grunts and sighs that you don't hear in the dub. Things like that.
But if I do find a dub that sounds wonderful, than I will watch the dub instead. It all depends on which sounds better to me.
I hope that made sense.

 

[Private Pyle]

FUNi Piece is inferior old FUNi Z with Linda Young Freeza. Its nowhere near FMA quality. Bleach and Naruto had better dubs, especially the former.

I disagree with the first only oddly enough. Both FMA series had amazing dubs and Naruto and Bleach had pretty good dubs.

I'm not a sub elitist. I tend to jump back and forth between dub or sub depending on how..good it feels? If that makes sense?
Japanese VAs sound more natural when they voice their characters to me in some series although that could be because I'm not familiar with Japanese inflections in their voice. Let me see if I can come up with an example...
Uhm...let me use Fire Emblem 3 Houses. Yes, I know it's not an anime but it's the most recent thing I have that has both dub and sub. I prefer the sub because the characters feel more natural as opposed to dub. Not because I believe it should only be subbed because japanesemasterrace, but because the english voices for the characters feel...forced? Like you can tell by listening that the VAs are reading from a script and trying to impart personality into the characters. It comes off a robotic to me however so I prefer listening to them speak in japanese. Their voices are more animated and they include small grunts and sighs that you don't hear in the dub. Things like that.
But if I do find a dub that sounds wonderful, than I will watch the dub instead. It all depends on which sounds better to me.
I hope that made sense.

That’s all fair enough. I don’t mind people having preferences, it’s perfectly alright to like dubs, subs, or a mix. It’s when you parade said preference around as if it were fact that I would say, “Yeah no.” It’s equivalent of looking down on someone for liking Pepsi instead of Coke.

 

[Mr. Sandwiches]

Is there a post of debunked stories and affidavits?

 

[xyz741]

Generally speaking, re: subs v dubs, I think most people register whichever voice they hear first as the "definitive" voice such that others just sound wrong. (I have specific shows or movies that I saw dubbed first and now the original Japanese voices sound wrong for the characters to me) For a very long time that meant that hardcore fans considered Japanese voice superior in part because fansubs and some professional subs often came long before the English dub (which took time to make). Now that simuldubs are a thing and even "delayed" dubs are usually within weeks, it's more just viewing preference. That said, as a native speaker, I think English (and German and similar languages) are more harsh sounding and Japanese (and the romance languages like French) have a softer sound and flow better, so there's definite English dub parts (even if the voices are good) that just sound bad and awkward to me. I'm sure part of that is not being fluent in Japanese, but even apart from that, the phonetics just flow more smoothly to me.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

Is there a post of debunked stories and affidavits?

I would absolutely love to make a master thread or post of each of their debunked stories.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to compose it. If it'll be done, it would be nice if it were a community effort where each of us posts an accusation and then proceed to debunk it with screenshots, evidence of why it's debunked, etc.

 

[Not A Bug]

Edit: Actually checked more mssages on my Iphone and you can get blue or green depending on the person you message (don't know why) however you get two different color of blues. One is deep blue similar to the right one, and a lighter blue if their older (middle/right).

iPhones show green on a message you sent to a non iPhone (Android) or if the recipient has their iMessages settings to not show the status (Delivered, Read, etc.).

The grey (a little bluish, don't know if that's what you're referring to) is what's been sent to you.

 

[MagicalHopStep]

I would absolutely love to make a master thread or post of each of their debunked stories.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to compose it. If it'll be done, it would be nice if it were a community effort where each of us posts an accusation and then proceed to debunk it with screenshots, evidence of why it's debunked, etc.

We can't make a thread where the first post takes up ten pages.

 

[Lord Xenu]

I would absolutely love to make a master thread or post of each of their debunked stories.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to compose it. If it'll be done, it would be nice if it were a community effort where each of us posts an accusation and then proceed to debunk it with screenshots, evidence of why it's debunked, etc.

It's hard to keep up, there's a new one nearly every day.