Dr. Rachel McKinnon / Dr. Veronica Ivy / Rhys McKinnon / Rachel Veronica McKinnon / Foxy Moxy / SportIsARight - failed out of a tenured job,man who competes in womens sports, gained like 100 lbs in 2022 (page 813), comically fell off bike before a race (page 830)

[Ihavetinyweewee]

You can get fired if you have tenure. It’s much harder than if you don’t but even here in Europe when you have the equivalent you can fire people.

Technically yes, but atleast in the states: you have to do something criminal. Rhyes may be a tasteless douchbag, but he hasn't done anything criminal(that we know of).

However, you can circumvent this by dissolving his department. But, thats extreme and depends on how much they hate him or if he is affecting the money train...

 

[capsaicin]

Technically yes, but atleast in the states: you have to do something criminal.

Nah. I could lose my tenure if I, say, decided to only teach one out of the two weekly sessions for my classes from now on. I’d be confronted by my department, and then it’d be escalated, but I could certainly be out on my ass for many reasons that don’t have to do with criminal activities. I looked up CoC’s handbook earlier in the thread and it has the same sort of tenure language.

 

[GenderCop]

I've heard Rhys is working with the libertarian group Fire and the group has already sent the CofC warning.
CofC is a state school but has a very haughty alumni base.

wait, what?

the same libertarians who hate affirmative action & racial set-asides???? ... & therefore want all black ppl to die? that don't sound very SJW to me. this group sounds exactly like Jay Sekulow's outfit, protecting faculty under siege from the PC hordes. rhys is comfortable associating with them?

told you he was a racist. libertarians hate all "equity" movements, so i guess we see what rhys really is, another weak-assed white man who needs right-wing white men to save him. social justice! feminism! leftism!

is there ANY thing he truly believes in, besides his own omnipotence & power?

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

wait, what?

the same libertarians who hate affirmative action & racial set-asides???? ... & therefore want all black ppl to die? that don't sound very SJW to me. this group sounds exactly like Jay Sekulow's outfit, protecting faculty under siege from the PC hordes. rhys is comfortable associating with them?

told you he was a racist. libertarians hate all "equity" movements, so i guess we see what rhys really is, another weak-assed white man who needs right-wing white men to save him. social justice! feminism! leftism!

is there ANY thing he truly believes in, besides his own omnipotence & power?

I think 'Fire' has expanded to take on all sorts of expression issues. It matters not the ideological leaning. Its what the ACLU used to be until it got infected.

I have no issues with them defending all of the dumb professional opinions of Rhys. But, I don't think publically celebrating the death of another(based on ideological differences), would be something they would defend. Again, its a professional conduct issue, not an expression issue...

 

[BoingBoingBoi]

Rhys has outdone himself yet again, and even the likes of Harrop agree.

His inevitable professional downfall will be spectacular to watch, but of course, he'll still be the victim.

would be nice, but i'm not sure how it would happen. he'd have to threaten someone, have a sexual harassment claim, or show up drunk to class a few times to actually have admin come down on him. there's no way a tweet he could weasel his way into contextualizing would cause a reaction from up high.

Also, I totally understand why 'Fire' would protect his goofy ideas. But, do you think the organization would defend him over celebrating people's deaths, publically(while representing a university)?

in fact, this is exactly what FIRE exists for. if the university were to discipline him for this tweet, they'd be at fault, at least in the US. the price of academic freedom is that dummies with tenure get to say whatever they want.

 

[Random_Numbers140097]

God Damn. All Magdalen has done is made some youtube videos calling men...men. So what? People make youtube videos criticizing others all the time. She's never done or said anything even remotely violent. For Rhys to think she deserves death by brain cancer is just beyond the pale.

Brain cancer is a horrific way to go. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

would be nice, but i'm not sure how it would happen. he'd have to threaten someone, have a sexual harassment claim, or show up drunk to class a few times to actually have admin come down on him. there's no way a tweet he could weasel his way into contextualizing would cause a reaction from up high.



in fact, this is exactly what FIRE exists for. if the university were to discipline him for this tweet, they'd be at fault, at least in the US. the price of academic freedom is that dummies with tenure get to say whatever they want.

I am not sure how that relates to academic freedom though. I thinks this is a borderline thing. Unless 'Fire' would defend something like 'all niggers should be dead'. Have they ever done something that extreme?

They seem to defend opinions based on controversial subjects or ideas. Not tasteless personal attacks...

 

[GenderCop]

I think 'Fire' has expanded to take on all sorts of expression issues. It matters not the ideological leaning. Its what the ACLU used to be until it got infected.

I have no issues with them defending all of the dumb professional opinions of Rhys. But, I don't think publically celebrating the death of another(based on ideological differences), would be something they would defend. Again, its a professiobal conduct issue, not an expression issue...

ah ok.
but as long as they even call themselves "libertarian" they are considered poisonous to the SJWs/blacks, period: "no negotiations with racists!"
i'm surprised rhys isn't aware that libertarian is considered a synonym for "racist" among liberals in the South.
then again, how would he know? he has no local friends since everybody hates him & most of his students are carpetbaggers northern transplants, here for the low prices & plentiful jobs, just as he is.

running to libertarians for cover is considered the same as running to wypipo for protection.

he'd better sign on to every single jot & tittle of their positions, since he will be answering for them.

can't wait. this could get very amusing.

 

[BoingBoingBoi]

I am not sure how that relates to academic freedom though. I thinks this is a borderline thing. Unless 'Fire' would defend something like 'all niggers should be dead'. Have they ever done something that extreme?

"all niggers should be dead" would probably be considered hate speech, so it might not be protected. the speech transgression would have to be criminal for it to trump academic freedom, but this tweet isn't criminal, so it's not borderline.

you don't lose freedom of speech when you become a professor. you can say whatever you want just like everyone else. it might reflect poorly on you, but you can't, and probably shouldn't be fired for it.

additionally, rhys' ironclad case would be that he's speaking in his capacity as an expert on ethics, or at least ethical theory, which is probably at least somewhat true, and he's already done this.

as for cases of FIRE and extreme cases, they staunchly defended that texas a&m professor, tommy curry, who said that white people would need to die to stop racism, or something to that effect.

 

[GenderCop]

would be nice, but i'm not sure how it would happen. he'd have to threaten someone, have a sexual harassment claim, or show up drunk to class a few times to actually have admin come down on him. there's no way a tweet he could weasel his way into contextualizing would cause a reaction from up high.



in fact, this is exactly what FIRE exists for. if the university were to discipline him for this tweet, they'd be at fault, at least in the US. the price of academic freedom is that dummies with tenure get to say whatever they want.

but see it goes like so:

IF YOU BELIEVE this country is horrible, racist, transphobic, etc then the colleges must mirror that reality. That's the official SJW line, the talking points. rhys regularly claims to hate USA/the South & gives this as one reason why, so this means he believes this.
(just as he claims he "hates cops" but still sleeps with a "in case of emergency break glass" nervous-nellie button around his neck, in case he needs these same evilll cops to save him from masses of dangerous terves)

SO if one is SJW, one believes tenure is simply a way of preserving the status quo & protecting the legions of white men's academic hegemony. ( as i've said, there are no trans men anywhere with tenure.)

if he believes this, why is he going to an organization that is dedicated to preserving the academic status of (overwhelmingly) affluent able bodied hetero white men? hm? sounds dodgy.

short answer: he doesn't believe it & never has. he makes appropriate SJW sounds & genuflects on cue, but when scared, runs to the status quo-perservers to protect his white male ass just like the rest of them.

jfc, i can't see zach breaking into tears & running to the libertarians. so i'll say that for him. contrapoints would though.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

"all niggers should be dead" would probably be considered hate speech, so it might not be protected. the speech transgression would have to be criminal for it to trump academic freedom, but this tweet isn't criminal, so it's not borderline.

you don't lose freedom of speech when you become a professor. you can say whatever you want just like everyone else. it might reflect poorly on you, but you can't, and probably shouldn't be fired for it.

additionally, rhys' ironclad case would be that he's speaking in his capacity as an expert on ethics, or at least ethical theory, which is probably at least somewhat true, and he's already done this.

as for cases of FIRE and extreme cases, they staunchly defended that texas a&m professor, tommy curry, who said that white people would need to die to stop racism, or something to that effect.

In the U.S, we don't have hate speech laws. You could say that statement was inciting violence. But, it would need to be proven to be immenient and likely, and not just expressive. So, that statement should be totally protected I would assume.

Also, its not so much Rhyes can't say it. Its that he is using a public platform, representing his university(using his professional title)to express it.

Otherwise, a university has no ability to regulate bad conduct? With personal attacks? I'm not arguing with you, I'm truly surprised....

Also, what would him being an 'ethics expert' absolve him from potentially making ethical mistakes?

The comment from Tommy Curry was taken out of context. He was not advocating violence, he was commenting on what he percieved as 'white logic' for self defense. Then applying it to black civil rights and showing how it was illogical.

It wasn't, exactly, well articulated or something I would agree with. But, I understood the intention.

I don't know how Rhyes would be misunderstood with his tweet. Infact, he clarified it...

 

[Kosher Dill]

Dropping an archive link here for Rhys' involvement with FIRE:

Twitter

archived 26 Aug 2019 16:35:27 UTC

archive.li

When he first got in trouble for being an internet troll, he tried to get both the AAUP and FIRE involved.

 

[TheBlackVolga]

Troons really do like to be drama queens, don't they?

According to Rhy's tweet, he was reprimanded because "sharing a verbatim, unedited screenshot of hate mail I receive that includes either the sender's name or phone number--EVEN IF the sender included it in the hate message--violates College policy and AAUP principles [emphasis mine]". So, Rhys got a slap on the wrist for violating college policy. Boo hoo.

And, not surprisingly, the AAUP were not interested in Rhys's hurt fee-fees from the wrist-slap: "the AAUP seems not to want to intervene unless the punishment escalates beyond a reprimand".

One of the responses to his tweets was from another troon: "I got suspended and disciplined over announcement of my transition, when I returned the exact same text was emailed to all staff.."

Let's look at this a more little closely: "I got a final warning..." So, said troon was on a final warning... And the denouement: "All I did was post up a single page explanation to the students on the systems I managed. it was supposed to be restricted to the local net. I was not aware it was visible to the world" [emphasis mine].

You were the sys admin and you didn't know who could view the pages?

Oh, and said troon "left 3 months later". In other words, they left of their own accord.

And, fellow farmers, Rhys is publishing his memoirs:
"Replying to @AAUP and @TheFIREorg I'm finishing my memoir in Feb...this will definitely be in there."

Just in case you were wondering what to ask for as a Christmas present.

 

[DemonicMustache]

he thinks he's so cute, o, I wasn't saying *I * thought that. tee hee uwu

I usually don't reply to his b.s cause I don't want him to block me. I had to this time. He is an awful eunuch. No empathy whatsoever. How does someone get like that?

 

[Otterly]

I don’t think that anyone should be fired for ‘saying stuff’ and that extends to twatweasels like Rhys.

What it does show is his disregard for the experiences of others, his self centredness, his narcissism and his lack of social skill. It’s breathtaking to watch and interesting to see even fairly unpleasant staunch allies like Harrop baulk at it. People like this create their own personal hells.

I just find him fascinating. It’s like watching a particularly awful case study unfold, but without the ‘poor bloke’ feeling one usually has.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

I don’t think that anyone should be fired for ‘saying stuff’ and that extends to twatweasels like Rhys.

What it does show is his disregard for the experiences of others, his self centredness, his narcissism and his lack of social skill. It’s breathtaking to watch and interesting to see even fairly unpleasant staunch allies like Harrop baulk at it. People like this create their own personal hells.

I just find him fascinating. It’s like watching a particularly awful case study unfold, but without the ‘poor bloke’ feeling one usually has.

A firing? Probably not. But, a warning with a recommendation to limit social media usage(pig's fly)? I don't think that would be out of bounds.

Also, to make clear that statements of this variety are unacceptable. Specifically, when using his professional title on a public platform. That it creates associative issues with the college.

If he continues that type of behavior, in the future, more drastic measures will be taken.

That narcissistic motherfucker wouldn't even have to apologize...

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Troons really do like to be drama queens, don't they?

According to Rhy's tweet, he was reprimanded because "sharing a verbatim, unedited screenshot of hate mail I receive that includes either the sender's name or phone number--EVEN IF the sender included it in the hate message--violates College policy and AAUP principles [emphasis mine]". So, Rhys got a slap on the wrist for violating college policy. Boo hoo.

And, not surprisingly, the AAUP were not interested in Rhys's hurt fee-fees from the wrist-slap: "the AAUP seems not to want to intervene unless the punishment escalates beyond a reprimand".

One of the responses to his tweets was from another troon: "I got suspended and disciplined over announcement of my transition, when I returned the exact same text was emailed to all staff.."

Let's look at this a more little closely: "I got a final warning..." So, said troon was on a final warning... And the denouement: "All I did was post up a single page explanation to the students on the systems I managed. it was supposed to be restricted to the local net. I was not aware it was visible to the world" [emphasis mine].

You were the sys admin and you didn't know who could view the pages?

Oh, and said troon "left 3 months later". In other words, they left of their own accord.

And, fellow farmers, Rhys is publishing his memoirs:
"Replying to @AAUP and @TheFIREorg I'm finishing my memoir in Feb...this will definitely be in there."

Just in case you were wondering what to ask for as a Christmas present.

But Rhys has no story to tell. This isn’t some courageous underdog overcoming adversity. It’s the story of a man taking advantage of the political climate in order to easily win accolades that normally require a lot of hard work. It’s not exactly My Left Foot.

I don’t think that anyone should be fired for ‘saying stuff’ and that extends to twatweasels like Rhys.

What it does show is his disregard for the experiences of others, his self centredness, his narcissism and his lack of social skill. It’s breathtaking to watch and interesting to see even fairly unpleasant staunch allies like Harrop baulk at it. People like this create their own personal hells.

I just find him fascinating. It’s like watching a particularly awful case study unfold, but without the ‘poor bloke’ feeling one usually has.

What gets me is not that he can say these things, but that he sees no reason not to. I mean, we’re all free to say shitty things, but most people choose not to out of consideration for people’s feelings. Rhys not only doesn’t consider this, but having been called out, he doesn’t even pretend to care. Literally everything is secondary to his own ego.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

The last internet person, I remember, to have this level of unironic/unchecked narcissism( to the point of a complex) was Devin Faraci...

 

[Otterly]

What gets me is not that he can say these things, but that he sees no reason not to

He also faces no real consequences when he does. Twenty years ago, it would be totally socially unacceptable to do what he does and society would have shown him that. The state also encourages and doesn’t check any of it.

When you get someone so personality disordered, add social media, sexual fetishism, Troon Teflon and then take off the brakes of even the teeniest bit of societal shame or opprobrium, this is what you get. I’m fascinated (and horrified) to see how far all this will go and how far society will allow this. Will there be an almighty pushback? Or are we headed to some seriously dystopian future?
Truly we live in interesting times, and the Yanivs and McKinnons of the world are a bellweather.

 

[Potatis Salad]

Troons really do like to be drama queens, don't they?

According to Rhy's tweet, he was reprimanded because "sharing a verbatim, unedited screenshot of hate mail I receive that includes either the sender's name or phone number--EVEN IF the sender included it in the hate message--violates College policy and AAUP principles [emphasis mine]". So, Rhys got a slap on the wrist for violating college policy. Boo hoo.

And, not surprisingly, the AAUP were not interested in Rhys's hurt fee-fees from the wrist-slap: "the AAUP seems not to want to intervene unless the punishment escalates beyond a reprimand".

And here's the text of the "HATE MAIL!!!!" (phone number redacted by me):

Rachel - Please stop the charade. As a PhD you should realize that if you have two X chromosomes you are female. If you have an X and a Y - you are male. You are a male and to race females is a farce. Good luck in whatever choices you make going forward. Tim Cronin, South Salem, NY (914)-555-5555