ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

[John Q Public]

One of my favourite genres of the ContraPoints response video is NBs and transmen bitching about how Nyk doesn't mention them/doesn't mention them enough/doesn't understand them in his videos:

NBs and transmen are probably the best example of these SJW cult members because of their much lower status on the trans totem pole than transwomen. There isn't a single NB or transman on Youtube that has comparable numbers to the biggest trans rockstars on Youtube who are all transwomen. You will never seen a video from a transman or an NB bragging about how they bought themselves an island like Nikita uploaded. Their self-esteem is so low that none of them can even entertain the thought of having a channel of their own that is as big as Nyk's and having people treat them as an authority on trans issues like they do with Nyk, let alone as an authority on virtually anything else Nyk is treated as an authority on. These are the kinds of maladjusted losers who become SJW cult-members and proceed to live their lives entirely vicariously through dear leader. They feel like they can't make a video about themselves, not a video that any substantial amount of people would want to see, so their best bet is to passive-aggressively nag dear leader into speaking for them and remember them. They only remember they have a mouth of their own when it's time to bitch to dear leader about how he doesn't pay them enough attention (like he gives a shit, like, when has Nyk ever admitted dating a transman or an NB? Milo maybe?).

I mean, this particular specimen in this video admits that she failed at being a man because she discovered that men are very competitive (imagine the shock), men then challenged her to prove her worth to them and she didn't have what it takes to compete - this is why she wants to be an "artistic sensitive softiboi" like the rest of all these self-loathing women who are trooning out knowing they can't realistically be men, expecting everyone else to lower their standards of manhood to meet them where they are, as failures at being either male or female. Instead of taking this as her clue that she really isn't and can never be a man and should go to the kitchen and make some lemonade out of the lemons she was given, she decides to double-down on her SJW cult worship and insist that she can be a "queer man as a positive model of masculinity", whatever the fuck that means. It probably means something like "I want male benefits without the 'shitty' parts of being a man, like having to prove myself to other men to earn their respect, which his how men have always dished out respect. as something earned and not just freely given."

Yeah, it isn't all sunshine and roses being a man. I've had to explain that to a FtM that I loosely know, and I had to do so rather gently. You know, because that's what they were used to, not what I've had to experience. You can't tell them to nut up, they don't have nuts, they're just going to cry

I think a lot of Nyk's far left fans secretly resent him. Remember what I said about how cult-members only adore and worship the cult-leader because they secretly want to be the cult-leader. Here is the Chapo Trapo House "ContraPoints struggle session" from a year ago:



Because what do you call someone who tells their audience to vote Dem or the climate change apocalypse will be upon us, while making an estimated 200k-400k a year and doing multiple of cross-continental as well as trans-Atlantic and trans-continental flights in a year (gotta visit Oliver Lennard in the UK), but then hides their Patreon amount to make even more money? You call that person "a SocDem who actually loves capitalism". Capitalism has been veddy veddy good to Nyky,

You forgot the participation in wage-slave convenience apps like UberEats. Contra eats from delivery slaves ferrying food from kitchen slaves and buys shit from Amazon, the anti-union slave marketplace.

Not that I have anything against that, just don't tell me that shit is a problem then participate in it

 

[Nykytyne3]

this particular specimen in this video admits that she failed at being a man because she discovered that men are very competitive (imagine the shock), men then challenged her to prove her worth to them and she didn't have what it takes to compete - this is why she wants to be an "artistic sensitive softiboi" like the rest of all these self-loathing women who are trooning out knowing they can't realistically be men, expecting everyone else to lower their standards of manhood to meet them where they are, as failures at being either male or female.

I think the "troons are just failed men" angle is wrong. And not because I'M jUsT tRiGgErReD cUz I aM mYsELf sEcReTLy a TrOoN. I am a troon, not ashamed to say it--just a reformed troon who caught myself early before I made a huge mistake by going through with a transition.

No, troons are not failed men. They are autistic--yes, all of them--and the autism turns their heterosexual attraction inward onto themselves, because other people are too hard to understand and it's easier to love a woman if the woman is you. But this whole phenomenon isn't conscious. They are just attracted to the idea of themselves as women and they don't know why. Then the trans "movement" happened a couple of years ago, and they were led to believe that the answer for their weird sexual predisposition was that they were trans and should transition since that's the "right thing to do." And it's the fault of quack doctors and the public's naive complacency that they were led down this path, which they went down because they relied in good faith on these "medical professionals."

 

[Nykysnottrans]

No, troons are not failed men

I am not saying "trannies are failed men", everybody knows that's not true. Look at Jennifer Pritzker, Martine Rothblatt and other mega-millionaire trannies who made all their money as men and lost none of it post-transition, because they continue to garner the same respect and credibility they had originally earned as business men. What I am saying is that this particular F2M woman in the response video, who wants to transition into being man but has found herself already wanting, is already effectively a "failed man" according to her own expectations of masculinity. She admits she can't keep up with actual men so she wants to be a sensitive artistic softiboi instead, but at the same time she also rather delusionally wants to be Superman the invincible outsider-protector. If masculinity isn't the "freedom" she expected it to be, why the fuck even bother anymore? Whether as a softiboi or a Superman, she will never keep up with real men. Just detransition and call it a day already.

I think Nyk's far lefty fans have always secretly resented his popularity. Cos remember, cult members only adore the leader because they secretly want to be the leader. Already back in 2017:

"Agreed. It's all about coin If she gets people to watch even knowing it's gonna be a shitshow, the less likelihood there is that she'll have to enter the traditional workforce. Its not like we could discuss the issues on YouTube w/o being actively targeted for it based on race"

https://twitter.com/kelsiedarko/status/937441272679321600

This tweet was at the time of the debate with Blaire White in Vancouver, which of course never materialized, because it was just a ruse for Theryn to get Nyk to Canada so Theryn could kick Blaire off the bill at the last moment and then cuck her future husband with Nyk on a Livestream. Nyk's Patreon was still public back then and he was making $6,000 a month on Patreon. Back then he said he didsn't need to be paid for the speaking gig with Blaire, now he's making more money he does demand payment. There was some backlash against his agreement to appear onstage with Blaire but this did not affect his regular income in any considerable way. I remember how he came out at the time and cried on Twitter about taking a PR-hit but it was all such nonsense. There was no PR-hit. He also made all his usual false promises to get better, "I need to turn my life around" and all that shit, which only meant going back to drinking himself silly with with the sycophants and the enablers.

 

[ZulwayGodOfMercy]

I am not saying "trannies are failed men", everybody knows that's not true. Look at Jennifer Pritzker, Martine Rothblatt and other mega-millionaire trannies who made all their money as men and lost none of it post-transition, because they continue to garner the same respect and credibility they had originally earned as business men. What I am saying is that this particular F2M woman in the response video, who wants to transition into being man but has found herself already wanting, is already effectively a "failed man" according to her own expectations of masculinity. She admits she can't keep up with actual men so she wants to be a sensitive artistic softiboi instead, but at the same time she also rather delusionally wants to be Superman the invincible outsider-protector. If masculinity isn't the "freedom" she expected it to be, why the fuck even bother anymore? Whether as a softiboi or a Superman, she will never keep up with real men. Just detransition and call it a day already.

Wowi! You’ve transitioned it from a case of this fellow interpreting your comment as being a derogatory call out to transsexual men as “failures”, to declaring that half of the human population is incompetent because they are women, in addition to all too unsubtly suggesting that female transsexuals are failures in general.

Talk about bearing a bloated boner for essentialism jazzed with sexism! All I can say is wow! You ain’t just a lowly liar, you’re a genuine pile of human garbage!

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

One of my favourite genres of the ContraPoints response video is NBs and transmen bitching about how Nyk doesn't mention them/doesn't mention them enough/doesn't understand them in his videos:

NBs and transmen are probably the best example of these SJW cult members because of their much lower status on the trans totem pole than transwomen. There isn't a single NB or transman on Youtube that has comparable numbers to the biggest trans rockstars on Youtube who are all transwomen. You will never seen a video from a transman or an NB bragging about how they bought themselves an island like Nikita uploaded. Their self-esteem is so low that none of them can even entertain the thought of having a channel of their own that is as big as Nyk's and having people treat them as an authority on trans issues like they do with Nyk, let alone as an authority on virtually anything else Nyk is treated as an authority on. These are the kinds of maladjusted losers who become SJW cult-members and proceed to live their lives entirely vicariously through dear leader. They feel like they can't make a video about themselves, not a video that any substantial amount of people would want to see, so their best bet is to passive-aggressively nag dear leader into speaking for them and remember them. They only remember they have a mouth of their own when it's time to bitch to dear leader about how he doesn't pay them enough attention (like he gives a shit, like, when has Nyk ever admitted dating a transman or an NB? Milo maybe?).

I mean, this particular specimen in this video admits that she failed at being a man because she discovered that men are very competitive (imagine the shock), men then challenged her to prove her worth to them and she didn't have what it takes to compete - this is why she wants to be an "artistic sensitive softiboi" like the rest of all these self-loathing women who are trooning out knowing they can't realistically be men, expecting everyone else to lower their standards of manhood to meet them where they are, as failures at being either male or female. Instead of taking this as her clue that she really isn't and can never be a man and should go to the kitchen and make some lemonade out of the lemons she was given, she decides to double-down on her SJW cult worship and insist that she can be a "queer man as a positive model of masculinity", whatever the fuck that means. It probably means something like "I want male benefits without the 'shitty' parts of being a man, like having to prove myself to other men to earn their respect, which his how men have always dished out respect. as something earned and not just freely given."

The answer is actually much simpler. Gender ideology and queer theory is a male ideology and therefore women have little to no role in it, other than serving as a "guide" for "queer" men. By that, I mean that social norms imposed on women in the form of feminine fashions and behaviors are used as a reference for men to copy from, all the while giving nothing back to actual women and failing to make non-conformity in women the fashionable spectacle it is for femininity in men. Drag queens have always been a million times more popular than drag kings, gay rights activism has always been more about gay men than lesbians. Transwomen are men, everybody knows this, and women simply have historically had less institutional and financial power. There are some very rich guys behind the current trans lobby.

I think it's an over-simplification to call transgenders failed men/women. You can't fail at being what you are, but you can fail at being a functional human. FTMs transition for much different reasons than MTFs, and often it does involve self-hatred and trauma. I don't think it's accurate to paint all male relations as being founded on "earned respect" either, there isn't a sacred bro code. It's just that men interact with each other differently to how women interact with each other, and most FTMs are fragile to begin with because of whatever issues they're dealing with (getting triggered about anything that suggests they aren't male), so they can't cope with the less communicative and less sensitive male-only social groups, especially since they were raised as girls.

It's like I said before, Nyk is a man who makes videos for a male audience. He can do that horrendous voice and hand flap all he likes, but he was raised male and still sees the world as a male. He only cares about "cis" women when he can get something from them (probably stealing their looks and name), the rest of the time he just mocks them, and FTMs are entirely off his radar. I hope more of these transmen realize that the trans community doesn't actually care about them, and their male peers with always be given more asspats than them.

Edit: Holy shit, what an insufferable video. This woman who has been taking testosterone for a year admits straight up that the main driving force between women choosing to become FTM is "discomfort with a female social role". NO SHIT. She says she didn't necessarily dislike her body, but hated being expected to shave and dress up and be submissive. Guess what, nobody enjoys that. This is where I find it hard to have sympathy for a lot of FTMs, when they think they are so special for rejecting female social roles. Being FTM is practically "Not Like The Other Girls" on steroids. I understand that these women are trying to cope within a preexisting framework, so trying to appear male to be able to reject femininity in a socially acceptable way, but they are solving nothing and only creating more problems for themselves. She digs at TERFs at the beginning for dismissing transmen and mentions Nyk's Gender Critical video, in which he only mentions transmen in passing at the beginning. If that was the case then that's incredibly dishonest, because FTMs are discussed quite a lot in that community, given that they're women. She's also inadvertently supported the TERF idea that FTMs are self-hating GNC women. No wonder these female troons are less successful than the MTFs, they're so fucking whiny and think they're special for hating traditional roles. While MTFs seem to be quite male identified, FTMs seem to enjoy putting other women down.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Contra is pretty much the trans version of Hbomberguy,

Wait Harris hasnt come out as trans yet

 

[GenderCop]

The answer is actually much simpler. Gender ideology and queer theory is a male ideology and therefore women have little to no role in it, other than serving as a "guide" for "queer" men.

excellent comment, this is the in depth analysis i've come to count on from the more serious/intelligent terves.
kudos.
i never know what the hell is happening but i do pay close attention to patterns. for instance, you correctlly write:

It's just that men interact with each other differently to how women interact with each other, and most FTMs are fragile to begin with because of whatever issues they're dealing with (getting triggered about anything that suggests they aren't male), so they can't cope with the less communicative and less sensitive male-only social groups, especially since they were raised as girls.

oh hell yeah. so its strange to me they think they're men (tougher then women, right?) when they seem ready to burst into tears? where'd they get any idea they are "masculine"?

on twitter they come at you with all this buddy/homey/dudebro slang, depending on which country/region they're in. they all do it, a weird impersonation of Guyhood, equals the drag queenisms of MTFs calling you honey, darling, sweetie, cupcake, yecch. they find out my area of the country & start with "how bout them Dawgs" or "Crimson Tide, bro" & its just very weird & forced. Sports Teams = he man talk.

all the troons with very few exceptions (Jenn Smith, Blaire White) seem self-hating & just plain mean.

i heard a song over the weekend
"you know the sheriff has got his problems too
he will most surely take them out on you" (warren zevon R.I.P.)

it reminded me a lot of these tormented types like Nyk, Zach, Rhys & the twitter trans men posses trying to talk sports to impress onlookers that they're really Guys.

 

[Freya]

I think Nyk would still stand a good chance of snapping my arm even with his atrophy from HRT. I'm very interested to know how he's more oppressed than me and other females.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

I mean that social norms imposed on women in the form of feminine fashions and behaviors are used as a reference for men to copy from, all the while giving nothing back to actual women

I strongly disagree, I don't think it's a simple matter of imposition. I think some women are sincerely narcissistic and vain and desperately crave to be feminine for asspats themselves. Let's not forget how vehemently women police other women when it comes to upholding feminine standards of beauty. Some women can be almost murderously competitive and aggressive towards other women in that regard.

and failing to make non-conformity in women the fashionable spectacle it is for femininity in men

But that also has to do with feminists rejecting the idea of androgyny. I don't know if you've ever read The Transsexual Empire but Raymond has a chapter there where she rails against androgyny, male and female androgyny. When you tell women it's wrong to be androgynous, they are obviously not going to feel comfortable exploring - or even just theatrically exaggerating, like drag kings do - their masculine aspects (in fact, radical feminism denies that women even have masculine aspects to their personalities, they insist it's just women emulating men because they are forced to by the patriarchy). I feel this is where feminism really fucked up. Maybe if feminism had been more accepting of androgyny (instead of always rejecting anything slightly associated with men manifesting itself in women) all these confused NBs could not be in the SJW cult trooning out. They would know that it's OK to be androgynous. Look at the example I gave of how Milo stopped Nyk from using the word "hermaphrodite" to describe his body changing due to HRT. Even trannies think it's wrong to think of yourself as androgynous.

Drag queens have always been a million times more popular than drag kings

Or the late Christopher Hitchens, Nyk's atheist philosophical examplar, was right and women still aren't funny because they don't need to:

BTW, one of the female comedians mentioned here, Sarah Silverman, was recently cancelled by the SJW cult. Nyk said on a Livestream that he was watching Sarah Silverman's comedy routines to learn how to write better jokes himself. I wonder what he thought of her cancelling by his cult.

gay rights activism has always been more about gay men than lesbians

But then you have an MRA gayman like Prince of Queens, who insists lesbians have taken over gay activism from gay men.

FTMs are entirely off his radar

Unless it's getting Milo to talk about her t-enlarged clitoris on his Livestream of course. I think F2Ms are just another exotic sexual "snack" for Nyk, a curiosity he has tried amongst many when he trooned out and used his LARP to gain access to the trans community to hook up with different kinds of trannies to experience (what in his trannie porn-sick mind since Blogtv days must be) the most unusual and out-there kinds of sex. Nyk literally bragged on the Chapo Trap House podcast that since his transition he has "tried all kind of permutations of what gender the people I am dating are" and I bet that includes F2Ms. For the sake of accuracy, back when he transitioned Nyk did do a Livestream once with a transman who went by the name of "Britta Saurus" who now uses the alias "SharpLeft" on Youtube. It was a Livestream on the topic of cyborgs and transhumanism that they have since both deleted to cover up. Nyk was apparently watching their videos when he trooned out in 2017 (you can see him as the top comment under this video). It was the same F2M who did a response video to his Livestream with Laci Green. Nyk also at one point had a transman running his chat during his Livestreams but I forget what their name was. So it's not true that F2Ms are entirely off his radar, he does have F2M orbiters. I suspect that as Nyk's trans-LARP progressed he started to crave the validation of his transwomanhood from cis men (hence the renaming of his channel as "ConTRAPoints"), not from other trannies (whether M2Fs or F2Ms), and I suspect that's when he became preoccupied with fucking Oliver becoming PhilosophyTube's "make-up and nails consultant".

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

I strongly disagree, I don't think it's a simple matter of imposition. I think some women are sincerely narcissistic and vain and desperately crave to be feminine for asspats themselves. Let's not forget how vehemently women police other women when it comes to upholding feminine standards of beauty. Some women can be almost murderously competitive and aggressive towards other women in that regard.

And it actually makes sense. If you are socially rewarded for being feminine, you will do it. In female social circles, there isn't in fact much criticism/competition. Compliments or sharing advice are common though. Men are more critical of women who don't shave or wear makeup than other women in my experience. Femininity is certainly imposed, I don't know why you think that only translates to men forcing it on women - you are constantly bombarded with cultural and behavioural cues and ideas growing up by adults, and boys are too in a different way.

About androgyny - it's literally not true that radical feminists don't want women to be androgynous. The idea is that "androgynous", like the concepts of femininity and masculinity, ultimately don't matter. Anyone can behave, dress etc. however they like. It's kind of insane how you believe feminists are responsible for discouraging gender non-conformity in women.

When you tell women it's wrong to be androgynous, they are obviously not going to feel comfortable exploring - or even just theatrically exaggerating, like drag kings do

So you've gone from acknowledging radical feminists have limited influence to suggesting that they are the reason women are uncomfortable being non conforming....? Do you realize most people don't even know or give a shit about things like The Transsexual Empire, let alone read them? I don't think every feminine woman has read Janice Raymond. Janice Raymond is saying that to promote "androgyny" in the classical sense is a misguided attempt to "equalize" women. All you are doing is taking the most toxic parts of cultural femininity and masculinity; incompatible concepts, which furthermore are constructs of a patriarchal society to radical feminists. To repurpose gender, rather than abolish it, is not radical. She isn't saying women should not be what's considered masculine. I don't think what Raymond was saying is unreasonable.

(in fact, radical feminism denies that women even have masculine aspects to their personalities, they insist it's just women emulating men because they are forced to by the patriarchy).

That's just not true.

Or the late Christopher Hitchens, Nyk's atheist philosophical examplar, was right and women still aren't funny

Good old Hitch. Nothing like the fresh smell of evopsych in the morning.

 

[Freya]

Nyk's videos became less and less funny the more time he spent on E.

Maybe Hitchens was right after all.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

So you've gone from acknowledging radical feminists have limited influence to suggesting that they are the reason women are uncomfortable being non conforming....?

No, just that young women who are perceived as masculine or butch and might have found a place in feminism otherwise will inevitably be put off by a movement that not just inherently rejects masculinity in women as a patriarchal imposition ("you only "act like a man" because you as a woman have to live amongst men, so you adopt their ways and their habits to survive") but denies that masculinity is even a thing that is inherent to one's personality (feminism says it's all just stereotypes imposed from above). What does feminism have to offer these women, other than telling them they are wrong? Feminism thus reflects the rest of the culture that tells them they are wrong. (I am thinking of Helena from Project Pique Resilience here, she gets asked if she's a GC radfem now that she's detransitioned and she still does not identify with them, even as a detrans woman who is invited to speak at GC radfem events. I ask myself, why does someone like Helena still feel alienated from GC radfems?) Furthermore, I don't think that women who have only a passing familiarity with feminism even distinguish between radical feminism and liberal feminism. They just have a vague understanding of feminism being a movement that "opposes men"(?) and something called "toxic masculinity" ("boys being bullies to girls"?). How is that inviting for a young GNC girl who perceives herself as "masculine" for lack of any other framework? When your movement is crudely perceived as anti-boy, how is a girl who perceives herself as a boy going to feel that this movement might help her with her sense of alienation?

In other news, pop music stans apparently don't much stans Nyk's favourite 21st century castrato. Damn, all those personal endorsements from Nyk on Twitter and those stubborn gay pop fans still won't take the bait:

I think it's funny how pop music stans, especially on r/popheads, look for any excuse to put Kim Petras down... It's almost like there is a lot of transphobia in the queer community...

https://twitter.com/AdamKneels/status/1165559606027935744

Here's an example of a thread that was locked because "transphobe" stans said they just didn't like Kim Petras' music much:

r/popheads - Kim Petras on 'transgender' being a trend: “Transgender people have always existed and will always exist, it’s not a trend. If you want to be ignorant and say that, then you’re just uneducated. It’s just straight up uneducated and dumb.”

1,497 votes and 43 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

This got 99 downvotes from the cult:

Lets be honest. the only reason she has a career in music in the first place is her trans status. there is nothing else special about her

r/popheads - Kim Petras on being an independent artist: "When I was going to all the major labels, just every conversation would suddenly be about being transgender instead of the music."

361 votes and 90 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

Dislike a trans pop artist simply because their music is such obvious shit? "TRANSPHOBE!"

Indeed, if we forget the trans thing, how is Petras different from any other pop music thot? No originality, no creativity, nothing to hold your attention. Just for the sake of informed opinion: the only Kim Petras song I find listenable and honestly catchy is this song, which unfortunately also has the most juvenile song lyrics in pop music right now. Not that expect someone like Petras to be a Bob Dylan or a Leonard Cohen but I am thinking about using the lyrics of this song as scientific evidence that puberty blockers really do cause a permanent state of arrested development. I also suspect it is TMI galore about painful intercourse after SRS and being dumped for a cis woman:

You cut me open
I cried oceans
All I wanted was devotion
I got no thing
Hope you’re happy with your new bitch

Everything else I tried to listen from this artist to was just regurgitated generic crap. I am not even going to listen to the Sophie collabs, y'all know exactly how I feel about that unlistenable hack Sophie.

 

[Freya]

So Kim Petras is the Contrapoints of the music world.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

No, just that young women who are perceived as masculine or butch and might have found a place in feminism otherwise will inevitably be put off by a movement that not just inherently rejects masculinity in women as a patriarchal imposition ("you only "act like a man" because you as a woman have to live amongst men, so you adopt their ways and their habits to survive") but denies that masculinity is even a thing that is inherent to one's personality (feminism says it's all just stereotypes imposed from above). What does feminism have to offer these women, other than telling them they are wrong? Feminism thus reflects the rest of the culture that tells them they are wrong. (I am thinking of Helena from Project Pique Resilience here, she gets asked if she's a GC radfem now that she's detransitioned and she still does not identify with them, even as a detrans woman who is invited to speak at GC radfem events. I ask myself, why does someone like Helena still feel alienated from GC radfems?) Furthermore, I don't think that women who have only a passing familiarity with feminism even distinguish between radical feminism and liberal feminism. They just have a vague understanding of feminism being a movement that "opposes men"(?) and something called "toxic masculinity" ("boys being bullies to girls"?). How is that inviting for a young GNC girl who perceives herself as "masculine" for lack of any other framework? When your movement is crudely perceived as anti-boy, how is a girl who perceives herself as a boy going to feel that this movement might help her with her sense of alienation?

Radical feminists do not reject masculinity, they reject the concept of gender. You are confusing the two. Or, perhaps when they critique bad male behavior and brand it with a term like "toxic masculinity" which is kind of dumb and vague, you perceive it this way.

But when you say feminists discourage "masculinity" in girls because it's something imposed by a patriarchal society - this is just plain false and it's actually the opposite. Masculinity is discouraged in girls. If you want to be accepted by men and to cope in a very male-centric society, practicing femininity is what will grant you that, that's the general idea. I actually agree with this, not that I think it should be that way.
Radical feminists also do not say that aspects of somebody's personality considered either feminine or masculine are "constructs". They are saying that putting those aspects in said categories and thus making them gendered is constructed.

In my view, radical feminism can be very helpful to FTMs, I just think it's difficult to face up to uncomfortable truths and it's also probably not very accessible to some. In the long term, analyzing why you feel the way you do about your body and identity is a good thing. And while rad feminism isn't exactly feel-good, I think most of it bar a few things hold true and it's the only kind of feminism interested in women's lib that doesn't try to function within a flawed framework. Female liberation isn't anti-boy.

 

[kissbummer]

And it actually makes sense. If you are socially rewarded for being feminine, you will do it. In female social circles, there isn't in fact much criticism/competition. Compliments or sharing advice are common though. Men are more critical of women who don't shave or wear makeup than other women in my experience. Femininity is certainly imposed, I don't know why you think that only translates to men forcing it on women - you are constantly bombarded with cultural and behavioural cues and ideas growing up by adults, and boys are too in a different way.

I don't know what social circles you're in but saying that women never compete with each other or police each other is delusional. Both men and women compete among themselves. Tons of women slutshame, and I think radfems are one of the worst about it because they think that women who have heterosexual sex are brainwashed.

Look at the fashion industry. The vast majority of men could care less about what women are wearing. Billions of dollars are poured into this industry because of what women (and some gay men) decide. It's only women that are going to tell you that your patterns clash.

 

[Libtard-Wrecking Krogoth]

the only thing i've learned in the last 3 pages of this thread is that feminism of any type causes terminal autism

 

[ZulwayGodOfMercy]

No, just that young women who are perceived as masculine or butch and might have found a place in feminism otherwise will inevitably be put off by a movement that not just inherently rejects masculinity in women as a patriarchal imposition ("you only "act like a man" because you as a woman have to live amongst men, so you adopt their ways and their habits to survive") but denies that masculinity is even a thing that is inherent to one's personality (feminism says it's all just stereotypes imposed from above). What does feminism have to offer these women, other than telling them they are wrong? Feminism thus reflects the rest of the culture that tells them they are wrong. (I am thinking of Helena from Project Pique Resilience here, she gets asked if she's a GC radfem now that she's detransitioned and she still does not identify with them, even as a detrans woman who is invited to speak at GC radfem events. I ask myself, why does someone like Helena still feel alienated from GC radfems?) Furthermore, I don't think that women who have only a passing familiarity with feminism even distinguish between radical feminism and liberal feminism. They just have a vague understanding of feminism being a movement that "opposes men"(?) and something called "toxic masculinity" ("boys being bullies to girls"?). How is that inviting for a young GNC girl who perceives herself as "masculine" for lack of any other framework? When your movement is crudely perceived as anti-boy, how is a girl who perceives herself as a boy going to feel that this movement might help her with her sense of alienation?

The drivel there is so diaphanous it makes deceivers sound direct. Here, I'll break it down so that nobody gets any confusions from this nonsense. I'll now colorize it, in honor of the "autistic" badge.

The basic premise here is that, contrary to what Nykys had previously proclaimed, the only women that are to be alienated from feminism are now young, naive girls that can only be "non-conforming" if they behave as stereotypical tomboys. Their actual thought processes are irrelevant; what matters is how they're perceived, and them being all "put off" by feminism is an absolute truth, guaranteed because of the forthcoming argument. (For now, it is important to notice that, to Nykys, gals can't think for themselves.) The argument itself is some perversely one-dimensional perception of feminism that pits these tomboy automatons against straw-man feminism (It is very disingenuous, as Nykys later on distinguishes radical and liberal feminism) which in Nykys’ mind is an ideology that rejects a nebulous "masculinity" whilst allegedly drilling into tomboys the idea that that "masculinity" is forced upon them by the patriarchy, and so it is only usable by women as an adaptive strategy to survive among men. (Not only is that a straw-man of feminism, but it's also one that paints the movement as cultish and antagonistic to many women, vilifying it in the process. That just gives away Nykys' anti-feminist sentiments.) Nykys never cares to elaborate on what that verily ambiguous notion of "masculinity" means. This by itself renders the idea useless, yet Nykys acclaims it as a veritable thing that is "INHERENT" to one's personality. A real Hitch-hike darling. For one, even if you are very charitable to this argument and determine "masculinity" to mean personality traits all too commonly attributed to males (Assertiveness, etc.) It still doesn't follow that these traits are inherent as opposed to being socially conditioned (See De Moor et al., 2010. on the null replication of anti-social personality traits in genes through studies.) At best we can deduce, from modern research, that personality is partly heritable, but it that would be the result of a complex interaction among many genes whose relationship is yet to be determined. Regardless, Nykys' “masculinity” is unverifiable and is therefore meaningless. Secondly, to claim that feminism is some monolithic enterprise wholly dismissive of such personality traits is again just reinforcing Nykys' straw-man brand of feminism as opposed to real feminist movements: None except some fringe nutters would adopt such a stance. This leads us all to the shitter core of Nykys' argument, which is that feminism has nothing to offer to Nykys' stereotypical women, and this effectively implies that women ought to turn away from feminism entirely. Without offering any real, viable alternative, one can only reasonably presume that Nykys' would rather preserve the status-quo, in which women are subservient to men. Helena from PPR firmly for de-transitioning and recurrently tweets verbal jibes at transsexuals when it's convenient (e.g. https://twitter.com/lacroicsz/status/1165033566138486784). She is a reactionary. Happy to answer that queer query! This leads us to the laughing chamber that is the conclusion of Nykys' argument, wherein one has the audacity of speaking for all the women and how female laymen perceive feminism (thereby depriving them of any voice whatsoever), all whilst envisioning a stereotypical dame’s reaction to this hypothetical straw-man brand of feminism that is not only questionable, but whose very existence is easily deniable.

I'm not even going to address that celeb trite because it is analogous to claiming that Freddie Mercury is famous simply because he was an unabashed homosexual. It is stupid, Nykysnottrans' abovementioned argument is even more stupid. But perhaps what's most stupid is bothering to write this down. The point is simple: Nykys is an old-line nutjob that takes a source, re-construes to fit one's own insane narrative, and then blasts it like a rhyme-less DJ. This is all that said individual's input was & will be. In its own special way, it’s a mirror of Contra’s own personality. Two-faced, and deranged. Much like most of those who are reading this, I suppose.

 

[Spergoy of Cuckkad]

One of my favourite genres of the ContraPoints response video is NBs and transmen bitching about how Nyk doesn't mention them/doesn't mention them enough/doesn't understand them in his videos:

NBs and transmen are probably the best example of these SJW cult members because of their much lower status on the trans totem pole than transwomen. There isn't a single NB or transman on Youtube that has comparable numbers to the biggest trans rockstars on Youtube who are all transwomen. You will never seen a video from a transman or an NB bragging about how they bought themselves an island like Nikita uploaded. Their self-esteem is so low that none of them can even entertain the thought of having a channel of their own that is as big as Nyk's and having people treat them as an authority on trans issues like they do with Nyk, let alone as an authority on virtually anything else Nyk is treated as an authority on. These are the kinds of maladjusted losers who become SJW cult-members and proceed to live their lives entirely vicariously through dear leader. They feel like they can't make a video about themselves, not a video that any substantial amount of people would want to see, so their best bet is to passive-aggressively nag dear leader into speaking for them and remember them. They only remember they have a mouth of their own when it's time to bitch to dear leader about how he doesn't pay them enough attention (like he gives a shit, like, when has Nyk ever admitted dating a transman or an NB? Milo maybe?).

I mean, this particular specimen in this video admits that she failed at being a man because she discovered that men are very competitive (imagine the shock), men then challenged her to prove her worth to them and she didn't have what it takes to compete - this is why she wants to be an "artistic sensitive softiboi" like the rest of all these self-loathing women who are trooning out knowing they can't realistically be men, expecting everyone else to lower their standards of manhood to meet them where they are, as failures at being either male or female. Instead of taking this as her clue that she really isn't and can never be a man and should go to the kitchen and make some lemonade out of the lemons she was given, she decides to double-down on her SJW cult worship and insist that she can be a "queer man as a positive model of masculinity", whatever the fuck that means. It probably means something like "I want male benefits without the 'shitty' parts of being a man, like having to prove myself to other men to earn their respect, which his how men have always dished out respect. as something earned and not just freely given."

I generally think FTMs pass much better than MTFs (I think male traits are overall much harder to cover up) but damn I don't think I've ever heard a female tranny talk, this sounds like a 50 year old woman who smokes a pack and a half a day.

Dislike a trans pop artist simply because their music is such obvious shit? "TRANSPHOBE!"

I feel like this happens very often in media. "Look at this incredible Jewish trans disabled actor!" and when they get flak for being a talentless piece of shit the people that promoted them can immediately jump to "Look at this antisemitism/transphobia/ableism, bigots hate on XYZ for being a Jew."

There's a group of untouchables (like Contra or Kim or troons in general) that you're not allowed to disagree with, and if you do you're just projecting your bigotry and transphobia. Mentioning Nyk's flaws (even when they aren't related to troonery) is automatically transphobic in their eyes because, even if he's white and rich and pretentious, transness puts him at the top of the oppression totem pole and he can do no wrong and can never be called out (except for maybe things like trying to fuck little kids, a la Jonathan Yaniv).

 

[Cure Milquetoast]

Edit: Holy shit, what an insufferable video. This woman who has been taking testosterone for a year admits straight up that the main driving force between women choosing to become FTM is "discomfort with a female social role". NO SHIT. She says she didn't necessarily dislike her body, but hated being expected to shave and dress up and be submissive. Guess what, nobody enjoys that. This is where I find it hard to have sympathy for a lot of FTMs, when they think they are so special for rejecting female social roles. Being FTM is practically "Not Like The Other Girls" on steroids. I understand that these women are trying to cope within a preexisting framework, so trying to appear male to be able to reject femininity in a socially acceptable way, but they are solving nothing and only creating more problems for themselves. She digs at TERFs at the beginning for dismissing transmen and mentions Nyk's Gender Critical video, in which he only mentions transmen in passing at the beginning. If that was the case then that's incredibly dishonest, because FTMs are discussed quite a lot in that community, given that they're women. She's also inadvertently supported the TERF idea that FTMs are self-hating GNC women. No wonder these female troons are less successful than the MTFs, they're so fucking whiny and think they're special for hating traditional roles. While MTFs seem to be quite male identified, FTMs seem to enjoy putting other women down.

I find the misogyny that trans-IDed females exhibit particularly frustrating, but the majority that I’ve seen or met either came from heavily conservative backgrounds (and later were exposed to ultra liberal spaces), have autism or ADHD, or were abused as young girls. It must be hard to come to terms with one’s personal experiences not particularly being unique when the culture around you practically relies on women lying to each other about how fun and great femininity is, how important it is to essentially worship your father/husband/etc, even if they’re beating or raping you, and to scorn women who aren’t following along. Queer culture just reformulates it all to seem more flashy and individualistic, and that can be appealing when you’ve been told all your life how exactly you should act and look for the sake of others - even if you end up falling into that same trap. I’ve been there, I get it.

Still hoping to see them get the fuck over themselves and stop attacking gnc homosexuals who don’t want to abuse hormones recreationally!

 

[tuscangarder]

Rainbow wall of text lmao.

Isaract plz go away.

Don't you have some contra pay pigging to do?