Science No single ‘gay gene’ determines same-sex sexual behavior, DNA analysis finds

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A new study that analyzed the DNA of nearly half a million people has found that, while genetic differences play a significant role in sexual behavior, there is no single gene responsible.

The findings, which looked at behavior and not sexual identity, debunk the notion of a singular “gay gene.” Even when all tested genetic variants were taken into account, they collectively accounted for no more than a quarter of the same-sex behavior reported by the study participants.

Instead, the results published Thursday in the journal Science hint at the complex blend of factors that influence human sexuality, including society and the environment.

“The findings themselves reinforce this idea that diversity of sexual behavior across humanity is really a natural part of our overall diversity as a species,” said Benjamin Neale, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and one of the study’s senior authors. “That’s a really meaningful and important result.”

Though estimates of same-sex experiences vary, a 2016 CDC study of U.S. adults found that 6.2% of men and 17.4% of women between the ages of 18 and 44 reported at least one same-sex experience in their lifetimes. A smaller portion, 1.3% of women and 1.9% of men, described themselves as lesbian or gay, and 5.5% of women and 2.0% of men said they were bisexual — underscoring the difference between sexual behavior and sexual identity.

Scientists have long probed the nature of same-sex behavior, finding some evidence in twin studies that genetics plays a role. But such research has typically involved small numbers of people and hasn’t used modern methods of genomic analysis, scientists said.

“I had seen some quite poor studies of small samples and false claims and things, so I was glad that finally this topic was examined in a very scientific way with a large sample,” said Melinda Mills, a social and molecular geneticist at the University of Oxford who was not involved in the work.

Neale and an international team of researchers performed what’s known as a genome-wide association study. That involves using statistical methods to search for connections between SNPs — single nucleotide polymorphisms, or individual differences in a single building block in the genetic code — and a particular trait.

Finding clear and verifiable patterns in genetic data requires a huge sample, and the scientists knew where to find it. They pulled 408,995 individual records from the UK Biobank as well as 68,527 records from the U.S.-based personal genomics company 23andMe. This gave them an overall sample size of 477,522 people, 26,827 of whom reported same-sex sexual behavior.

The researchers found two significant spots in the genome that were linked to same-sex behavior across people of both sexes. And when they analyzed male and female genomes separately, they found three more — two specifically for men and one specifically for women — bringing the total number of significant genetic markers up to five.

Nonetheless, when taken all together, these five locations on the genome could account for much less than 1% of same-sex sexual behavior on a population level, the researchers said.

Using a different analytical technique, the scientists found that, when taking into account all of the subtle influences of many, many markers across the genome that they did not specifically identify, genetics could potentially account for up to 8% to 25% of the population’s same-sex behavior. That’s because, in all likelihood, a huge and currently unknown number of genetic markers probably play infinitesimally tiny roles in shaping behavior, Neale said.

Another analysis in the paper, which did not focus on DNA but on familial relationships between 106,979 pairs of individuals, suggested that a slightly larger share of the variation in same-sex behavior, 32.4%, could be attributed to genetics. That number may take into account other complex genetic effects beyond SNPs, though it might also be influenced by some assumptions baked into the framework, the scientists said.

Among the five significant SNPs they found, the ones specific to men were linked to smell receptor genes, sensitivity to certain scents and regulation of sex hormones such as testosterone.

That finding “makes a certain amount of sense,” Neale said, “but again, we don’t have much more to say beyond that sort of high-level description.”

The incomplete overlap between the genetic markers linked to male and female same-sex behaviors is a sign that slightly different processes may be at work in men and women when it comes to sexual behavior. It may also speak to differing influences of gendered social norms, said Mills, who wrote a commentary on the results.

It certainly means that human sexuality is nowhere near as simplistic as some would like to believe, she added.

“There is an inclination to reduce sexuality to genetic determinism,” she wrote. In some cases, this view is intended to reduce the stigma associated with same-sex behavior; in others, it’s to classify it as pathological. But the findings show that while a host of genetic markers may help explain the underlying diversity of human sexual behavior, these markers are far too complex to either predict or prevent it.

If less than one-third of a population’s sexual behavior is linked to genetics, where does the rest come from? Environment, culture and other factors may play a significant role, Neale said.

It’s somewhat akin to traits like height, which have a certain genetic component but can also be influenced by a complex array of other factors, such as nutrition and environment.

Exactly which environmental and cultural factors play a role is unclear, because those are varied and complex and are much harder to pin down and study than specific genetic markers, the study authors said.

“The genome is a big place,” Neale said. Even so, he added, “we can systematically evaluate it like we do here. We have no comparable tool for thinking about the environment.”

The scientists also looked specifically at the “nonheterosexual” subjects in the study — those who had at least one same-sex experience — and asked them what proportion of their sexual partners were of the same sex. Responses varied across a six-point scale, from “other sex mostly” to “same sex only.”

In this respect, the researchers found, genetics had a stronger influence on same-sex behavior in men than in women.

They also saw that the genetic factors influencing the proportion of same-sex to other-sex partners a person had were different from the ones that separated those who had any same-sex experiences from those who had only other-sex experiences.

This means that the Kinsey scale and other frameworks for sexual behavior that assume that more same-sex attraction means less opposite-sex attraction are not accurate. They must be based on a misunderstanding or an oversimplification of the processes at work, the scientists said.

“From a genetic standpoint, there is no single [continuum] from opposite-sex to same-sex sexual behaviors,” said lead author Andrea Ganna, a human geneticist at the Institute of Molecular Medicine in Finland.

This confirmation of the wide diversity of sexual behavior echoes what the researchers said they heard in discussions of the results with representatives of the LGBTQ community.

“The LGBTQ-plus community has been arguing for a long time that there’s this range of sexualities; it’s not binary: zero and one,” Mills said. “I think that’s what those additional analyses show.”

The scientists were quick to point out that the findings were population-based and could not be applied on an individual level. They also warned that the work should not in any case be used to try to “convert” people who engage in same-sex behaviors, and that to consider doing so would be a gross misrepresentation of the study’s findings.

“Simply put, that is not an appropriate reflection or representation of the work that we’ve done,” Neale said.

Officials with GLAAD, an LGBTQ advocacy organization, praised the work.

“This new study provides even more evidence that that being gay or lesbian is a natural part of human life, a conclusion that has been drawn by researchers and scientists time and again,” GLAAD Chief Programs Officer Zeke Stokes said in a statement. The work “also reconfirms the long-established understanding that there is no conclusive degree to which nature or nurture influence how a gay or lesbian person behaves.”

Nancy Cox, a human geneticist at Vanderbilt University who was not involved in the study, praised the scientists for considering so many of the complexities inherent in the subject of sexual behavior.

“I hope we continue to think of this more the way we do many other kinds of behaviors that don’t have the drama and charge that these behaviors have often had,” Cox added.

The researchers acknowledged some limitations to the study. For example, the research focused mostly on individuals of European ancestry. It also did not include people whose biological sex and self-identified sex or gender did not match.

“The analyses do not include transgender persons, intersex persons, and other important persons and groups within the queer community,” the study authors wrote. “We hope that this limitation will be addressed in future work.”

Their findings are far from the final word on the unknown complexities of human sexuality, the researchers said.

“In a lot of ways, this work poses more questions than answers,” Neale said.
 
So basically a pointless study if you have a basic understanding of how genes work. As others here have pointed out, there are multiple genes at work for stuff like congenital diseases, risk of diseases, intelligence, and so forth. What a fucking waste to prove the “gay gene” wrong when you could have done that with a genetics lecture.
 
Your own study you just posted (which was a single-survey online poll based on the attitudes of <100k people globally which attempts to extrapolate the entire world's attitude towards gays by region) shows that close to a third of Americans have a very negative attitude towards homosexuality, with another third being mixed. This doesn't prove the point you were trying to make at all.


You can't prove a negative, but given that your list includes the same item twice (all infections are diseases) and treats 'molestation' as a condition rather than an action, grammar and logic aren't your strong suits.

Don't be mad that you're a fag and it's incurable. I've heard electric shocks really help though, maybe you could try that?
 
A new study that analyzed the DNA of nearly half a million people has found that, while genetic differences play a significant role in sexual behavior, there is no single gene responsible.


And yet this still won't stop the Christian right shrieking for the next fifty years and quoting this study online for proof of how the Lavender Mafia, the Gay Agenda or the Satanic Joos are trying to turn their spawn gay.
 
Fucker, either you're "born this way" or you're not. Fucking pick one. I get serious vibes of "we can't find definitive proof that you're just born gay" and someone's desperate to spin it into a positive when being born into your sexual identity (as opposed to the actual fucking genitalia) was the narrative for last few decades.

Though estimates of same-sex experiences vary, a 2016 CDC study of U.S. adults found that 6.2% of men and 17.4% of women between the ages of 18 and 44 reported at least one same-sex experience in their lifetimes. A smaller portion, 1.3% of women and 1.9% of men, described themselves as lesbian or gay, and 5.5% of women and 2.0% of men said they were bisexual — underscoring the difference between sexual behavior and sexual identity.
HOW? How does it underscore a difference between behavior and identity? What in the fuck are you talking about? They said they were gay or bisexual, where the hell is the difference between two things when you only asked who they like to fuck? Just because I try something doesn't mean I like it. That's exactly the part where I go "no sir, I do not like having things up my ass, I think I'm straight after all."

Into the fucking trash it goes.
 
HOW? How does it underscore a difference between behavior and identity? What in the fuck are you talking about? They said they were gay or bisexual, where the hell is the difference between two things when you only asked who they like to fuck? Just because I try something doesn't mean I like it. That's exactly the part where I go "no sir, I do not like having things up my ass, I think I'm straight after all."

It's actually not that uncommon on gay hook up sites like Grindr for a guy to claim to be SR8T. That is, he's on there either because he's in denial or because he can't convince his girlfriend to give him a BJ.

Also I have to say I'm of the mind that you don't need a cock up the ass to know if you're gay, if you're even open to the idea of trying something with someone of the same gender you're probably not heterosexual because that's not how it works. If dick makes your willy tingle that's like, gay bro.

Well. Or Bi.
 
It's actually not that uncommon on gay hook up sites like Grindr for a guy to claim to be SR8T. That is, he's on there either because he's in denial or because he can't convince his girlfriend to give him a BJ.

Also I have to say I'm of the mind that you don't need a cock up the ass to know if you're gay, if you're even open to the idea of trying something with someone of the same gender you're probably not heterosexual because that's not how it works. If dick makes your willy tingle that's like, gay bro.

Well. Or Bi.
I'm of the mind that when the media and the sex fad culture pressures you into thinking being straight isn't cool, you try to convince yourself that you're gay or bi to be one of the hip good kids. They bullshit themselves into thinking their bro-love attitude is them being sexually open, when there's nothing gay about needing a bit of physical contact with other human beings. The trend of transgenderism is even worse when that can lead to permanent changes.

Just be yourself, fam. Don't try to please others by being something you're not. I'll even hug you no-homo.
 

Let’s not kid ourselves. While most people in Western societies on the surface are tolerant, how many gay people do you think would be left, if it was possible to screen for gayness before children are born, or “turn off” a single gay gene?

Yeah, there’d be a few, but their numbers would drastically drop, since most people, even tolerant liberals who support gay rights, would prefer a straight child.

That’s also why I give zero fucks about any study about this from the west. It’s too controversial and gay interests are too strong here.

Any study from a Western university is bound to get fudged, abused or surpressed if it doesn’t show the desired outcome.

If there really is a gay gene (or several gay genes), it’ll be the Chinese who figure it out.
 
You guys are aware that "environmental factors" are most likely things like the hormone levels in their natal environment, right? I don't understand why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that "not genetic" = "raped as a child".

Because according to Abrahamic religion and the conservative lines of thought that stem from it, gays are literally devil worshippers who do every conceivable bad thing because of "Lol I'm evil" the same way Qanons think Hilary would eat babies over making money.

It's just cultural superstition, everyone needs a boogey man to blame. Not that the pride faggots help themselves with that one.
 
"More than a few" is a lot fewer than "most".

There seems to be misunderstanding over a comment

@Senior Lexmechanic said "the majority who..."

You interpreted it as him saying "the majority", whereas he was talking about the majority of a pre-qualified group.

It's the difference between "the majority (who by the way also wear green hats)" and "the majority (of green hat wearing people)"
 
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Because according to Abrahamic religion and the conservative lines of thought that stem from it, gays are literally devil worshippers who do every conceivable bad thing because of "Lol I'm evil" the same way Qanons think Hilary would eat babies over making money.

It's just cultural superstition, everyone needs a boogey man to blame. Not that the pride faggots help themselves with that one.
I don't think its necessarily just religion or religious people who think this. People tend to notice a pattern that people who turn out be gay have undergone some sort of sexual trauma as a child or as teen. Although I am not saying that automatically means being raped as a child turns you gay. I am more so of the belief that your hormones specifically affect sexuality. I noticed with trannys like Theryn Myer who when they presented as male they preferred females, but when they went on HRT they began to like males. Hence her having an ex fiance and now being obsessed with Contrapoints. Just food for thought.
 
You guys are aware that "environmental factors" are most likely things like the hormone levels in their natal environment, right? I don't understand why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that "not genetic" = "raped as a child".

Probably because the glaad spokespersons quoted in that article suggested as much, although the study doesn't even suggest that it's not genetic.

One of the reasons people think raped as a child is a cause is that it seems at the very least anecdotally that a considerable number gay people were molested as children (like Milo Yiannopoulos). Certainly I think being groomed can have long lasting effects on sexuality beyond just being gay/bi.

Or perhaps it's a way for straight men to try and supply a reason to the fact that just seeing men kissing has a psychologically stressful response similar to seeing maggots.


That's not just a response in fundies, the response happens across the board, including those who report high acceptance or positive attitudes toward homosexuality.
 
Because genetics and intelligence are my primary area of interest this news about faggotry does not surprise me. In intelligence multiple thousands of genes play varied parts in different cognitive developmental areas across different ethnicities. It gets even more complicated when you mix population groups and on the fringes where it has been occuring for centuries. Regarding sexuality I have no doubt it is just as complex and even influenced by environmental factors such as population density as some prior studies suggest.

The reason homosexuality plays out more strongly in males is because one gay guy finding women icky means those billions of sperm have nowhere to go. Much more effective at natural population control than if there were as many gay females.

I maintain that lesbians are probably a myth. There is no concrete evidence that a female can be exclusively homosexual.
 
Absolutely useless. There have been fags and dykes since forever and we don't need a study to prove it. No one cares, fags/dykes find each other somehow and that's it. It's when the Folsom Street Fair goes mainstream that knives come out because who the hell wants their eight year old kid to stumble upon that?

Pedos are another issue altogether and should be executed in a traditional and gruesome manner.
 
The findings themselves reinforce this idea that diversity of sexual behavior across humanity is really a natural part of our overall diversity as a species,” said Benjamin Neale, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and one of the study’s senior authors. “That’s a really meaningful and important result.”
Here's the problem with this: it's really difficult and obfuscated just when and where you are allowed to talk about the "diversity as a species" humans have. This article goes into the difference between men and women a little bit, but why is that okay here? At any other arbitrary time, talking about our "diversity" gets you labeled a eugenics-supporting nazi.
 
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