Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

heathercho said:
This is what annoys me about these types, the whole "I don't know how to feel" shit.
It's the most repulsive thing to read. Have some fucking courage and definitive morals. Uncertainty is such a pathetic trait.
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But then they might be an individual. And if it's not groupthink, it's wrongthink.

I swear they are like the Auditors from Discworld. If they start thinking for themselves, they instantly vanish and another default clone appears.
 
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Someone being rude or difficult doesn't cause injury except to the thin-skinned and immature children of society so let's put aside the notion that Alec "hurt" anyone except in the figurative sense. Saying/writing something that causes hurt feelings isn't a crime.; bad manners maybe but not criminal. We only have Zoe's word that this guy shoved his fingers up her twat during some weird sex role play so there's no proof of any physical abuse and last time I checked consensual sex play isn't a crime either. The only emotional abuse I can see is of Alec, whom everyone admits suffered from a mental illness (for which he sought treatment and took medication for) so these holier-than-thou talentless hacks are the only abusers in this scenario but particularly Scott and Bethany who couldn't wait for rigor mortis to set in before taking credit for his work and destroying his character to anyone who'd listen.
 
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Kacho said:
Dubya



JEB!
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The Bush dynasty is actually a case of usurper-itis.

JEB was always the golden boy and heir apparent. The plan, as Daddy Bush envisioned the moment he left office, was that JEB was the future of the family and that W was always the embarrassment that would linger on the fringe in baseball or the oil business.

The big plan was for JEB to run in 2004; to let him be governor for a while to build his brand, while allowing for JEB to avoid losing in 2000 under the logic that Clinton was so popular-bulletproof, that Gore was a shoe-in to win in 2000.

Problem with that is though is that with the Republican Revolution of 1994, Cheney and the Bush clique fell out of favor with Gingrich and friends who now ran the party. They tried to use Colin Powell as a stop-gap measure to get them back into power in 1996, but a combination of Powell declining the offer (for a variety of reasons including his wife and his own skeletons involving the Mai Lay Massacre and the social pressure of being the first black man running for President) and Bob Dole angling for the nomination, delayed it.

But Cheney had a backup plan: W. He got Bush to run for Texas Governor and then betrayed Daddy Bush's masterplan by running for President in 2000. And won.

If anything, JEB got fucked over by W and Cheney derailing Daddy Bush's plans for JEB. By the time W left office, he irrevocably destroyed the family brand and doomed any chance JEB had to ever being elected.
 
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There seems to be more people who relate with Alec's issues and personal struggles than ones who don't going by the responses on reddit and steam. Some people are probably taking it personally because Alec probably sounds just like them.

This really did blow up in their face and right now it seems they're wanting people to forget (hence the Joker posts) and hope it blows over.

But the internet never forgets.
 
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CatharticShitHead said:
While I do agree, it'd be funny to see her lose support there's two things about it.

1) we can't shame her or her support structure for a lot of reasons. We don't do gay ops. We don't plan to ruin people(otherwise we're just as bad as her). And like someone in the thread mentioned earlier, you can definitely bitch to her support structures like patreon and the like and try to get rid of her income. But as that someone said, that's a bitch move. It's essentially the same thing she does to others.

2)Zoe Quinn, Chelsea, whatever you wanna call the banshee, is a fucking roach. She's survived everything coming at her not because she's "owoh sowo stwong uwu" but because she's fuckin wily as hell. She'll survive this the same way she always has, by being a scum fuck and blaming everybody else but her. And if she does blame herself, you can bet my fucking organs that she's just gonna use it for, "Oh, I didn't MEAN for his death to happen! I just needed CLOSURE guys! I feel so bad. I miss you Alec. We could have worked on all this together! I'm so sorry Alec. See you in Hogwarts. Mwah :)"
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Its not gay ops to tell Disney they have a person with blood on her hands on payroll. It is merely letting Disney choose between image and principles. Remember what Alinsky said, "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules " and "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon".
 
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Marissa Moira said:
There seems to be more people who relate with Alec's issues and personal struggles than ones who don't going by the responses on reddit and steam. Some people are probably taking it personally because Alec probably sounds just like them.

This really did blow up in their face and right now it seems they're wanting people to forget (hence the Joker posts) and hope it blows over.

But the internet never forgets.
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You can certainly add me to that pile. Fortunately my family and friends aren't a posse of self-centered assclowns.

Poor bastard. He never never stood a chance.
 
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Stock Photo James said:
I'm gonna go against the grain here, even McMillen who otherwise gets away with saying whatever he wants and doesn't seem to be that bothered by indie clique is saying Alec was unhinged, he probably was.
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I know a lot await Zoe's downfall, but I don't think blaming her for Alex's suicide makes sense, he had enough issues on his own, and it wasn't merely Zoe he affected.

On other hand, this is still a great teaser of what awaits her, yet another abuser. They were birds of a feather and their fates won't differ.
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Late, but I don't think Flashgame McNewgrounds, who paid his initial successful game's diabetic programmer only enough to live on Jimmy Dean frozen sausage biscuits, then screwed his composer resulting in the rerelease having none of the original soundtrack in between shoving his fat wife in credits for nothing, is in any position to criticize someone else as being "difficult to work with"
 
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Safir said:
Zoe made Depression Quest a game because she's a game- (not book-) adjacent parasite, and because that's the art form amenable to an auteur persona and requiring a minimal amount of effort. Other art forms wouldn't produce a Zoe in the first place. Games are where it's at.
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I thought I expressed that sentiment?


Marissa Moira said:
There seems to be more people who relate with Alec's issues and personal struggles than ones who don't going by the responses on reddit and steam. Some people are probably taking it personally because Alec probably sounds just like them.

This really did blow up in their face and right now it seems they're wanting people to forget (hence the Joker posts) and hope it blows over.

But the internet never forgets.
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I was about to ask the general consensus on Alec. Figured most people on the planet wouldnt want some sort of islamic grave punishment for the crime of offending Zoe

AprilRains said:
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly gay ops.
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Barring any additional context if you actually think Zoe is a murderer and actually don't want murderers in the entertainment products you consume, then you're just a concerned consumer. I personally think it'd be funnier to explain her slutty history and let the creepy Disney jews get a hold of her
 
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Marissa Moira said:
There seems to be more people who relate with Alec's issues and personal struggles than ones who don't going by the responses on reddit and steam. Some people are probably taking it personally because Alec probably sounds just like them.

This really did blow up in their face and right now it seems they're wanting people to forget (hence the Joker posts) and hope it blows over.

But the internet never forgets.
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I have been waiting for more of their takes, most of them now want to pretend it never happened but I have seen posts that say some variety of "You are not responsible for your rapists actions after revealing their abuse."

I would understand that, if the "abuser/rapist" was truly some remorseless sociopath. Alec had mental problems but sociopathy did not seem to be one of them, even Zoe said something about how "she doesn't wish him harm" or whatever. There was some good in him even she had to acknowledge.

and technically, I would say she's not FULLY responsible because if you tell some depressed person "KYS" and they do it, that shouldn't be fully your fault either. This entire board would be in trouble if the laws changed to make it against the law. But should she lose her gigs? I don't see why not, if they fire other people that spaz out on social media.

edit: BUT you're not going to convince Disney by saying "she's a SLUT LIAR and MADE him kill himself" That's not going to convince the Woke PR people at Disney. You have to come at them on their level, and say something more along the lines of "She irresponsibly engaged in cancelling a man she knew would self-harm, in a way that overshadowed and took attention away from other women revealing their abuse"
 
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Rubblehuman said:
I have been waiting for more of their takes, most of them now want to pretend it never happened but I have seen posts that say some variety of "You are not responsible for your rapists actions after revealing their abuse."

I would understand that, if the "abuser/rapist" was truly some remorseless sociopath. Alec had mental problems but sociopathy did not seem to be one of them, even Zoe said something about how "she doesn't wish him harm" or whatever. There was some good in him even she had to acknowledge.

and technically, I would say she's not FULLY responsible because if you tell some depressed person "KYS" and they do it, that shouldn't be fully your fault either. This entire board would be in trouble if the laws changed to make it against the law. But should she lose her gigs? I don't see why not, if they fire other people that spaz out on social media.

edit: BUT you're not going to convince Disney by saying "she's a SLUT LIAR and MADE him kill himself" That's not going to convince the Woke PR people at Disney. You have to come at them on their level, and say something more along the lines of "She irresponsibly engaged in cancelling a man she knew would suicide-bait, in a way that overshadowed and took attention away from other women revealing their abuse"
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Yeah, lots of people don't know how to handle this situation like humans.
Blatantly celebrating Alec's suicide because it makes Zoe look bad makes you seem worse than her.
 
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Sad part is that we might never find out what happened. Alec's fucking gone so we can't hear his side of the story, his family is literal garbage to the point where his brother donated to Zoe (CAIN AND ABEL MUCH?) and Zoe's got nothing but her testimony and her mindless followers.
I would say this world is fucked, but you already knew that.
 
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There are two saving graces to this entire shebang. None of them are much consolation to those who cared about Alec, but take your fucking victories where you can get them.

First, I don't see Quinn recovering from this. Not to the degree she probably wants to, at least.

Make no mistake: She will be back. There's a reason she got to go before the UN despite being fucking irrelevant; due to ideology, she's insanely marketable for her side, and she's got a rotating array of suck-ups who will be willing to hang on her every word due to the circles she travels in, and short of her running too hard afoul of the troons in her circle (more on this in a sec), she'll always have that. If anything, I see this as the beginning of her mainstream decline, similar to how Benjanun Sriduangkaew's influence tapered off hard when she got exposed as being Requires Hate. Being a sufficiently big asshole inevitably means you're courting blastback, and Quinn just learned that the hard way. If she's smart, she tries to ride things out with the Patreon she already has. If she isn't, and she tries anything from this point on, her critics will be right in the vanguard bringing up that her actions caused a man's death, and it's gonna be that much harder for her to pull something like this.

However, it's the second saving grace that's more interesting.
Quinn has more enemies than most realize, and this just gave many of them a bit of ammo.

If you go through her history, Quinn's life has been a history of betrayals, misappropriations, griftings, and trying to play the angles. Because of this, she's fucked over numerous people. Some, like Jontron, don't give a damn because it happened years ago and Quinn's beneath his notice now. Others, like Quinn's former CON associates dislike her at best and despise her at worst. The good news (for everyone else) is that there's a good chunk of her sphere of influence that wants her destroyed and would love to see her brought down. Crabs in a bucket at its finest.

But who would be this particular chunk? Right out the gate, the obvious one is the troons. Quinn basically used them, and the bulk of their circle knows it. While there's a few, like Jake, that would happily do anything to get back in Quinn's good graces, many of the others would love to cut her legs out from under her. From their angle, Quinn's a problem but she's been mostly untouchable due to the fact that she has too much support. Right now, however, the blood's in the water, and every time Quinn takes it on the nose, it increases the temptation for them to fucking burn her at the stake. This is actually why Quinn does the nonbinary shit - she's trying to defend herself from this sphere of influence, knowing full well it would curb-stomp her if given the chance.
 
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