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[fat ugly sped]

All we have is mere speculation and rumors against sabat. There is stephanie nadly a voice actor for kid gohan who was dropped by sabat for not accepting his casting couch.
Stephanie hasn't come out to make a satement on anything all we have is chuck huber affidavit and the texts from stephanie nadolny which haven't been confirmed to come from stephanie (correct me if I'm wrong guys)

There's also the Clinkenbeard video too. Probably would be way more obvious if there was an actual thread on Sabat rather than random shit getting dropped in the main thread, but I don't really have the autism right now to collect everything and make an actually good OP post.

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[RodgerDodger]

Regarding the Sabat allegations coming out ~ Is there any solid evidence for his harassment allegations, or is what I am seeing merely about mocking Sabat on principle of not being held to the same standards for evidence-less accusations that Vic had??

If there is no solid evidence on the Sabat allegations, are there four witnesses to any of the harassment indications?? Otherwise I think I have to err on the side of Sabat being innocent. It may be the Islamic standard, but it's guided me well so far on both the Vic and ProJared stuff.

It depends on what you mean by Harassment? Do we have solid evidence he runs a casting couch? Not yet, but we likely have enough suspicions to raise probable cause. Do we have evidence of sexual harassment in the workplace by Sabat! Unquestionably yes. Colleen Klinkenbeards 2009 panel video where she talks about Sabat taking some of her performances and audio engineering them into porn. Her first week there. Yeah that is actual actionable sexual harassment. And if that’s the workplace he ran, then there were no standards or protections offered anyone walking in the door.

 

[xyz741]

Articles are now being written and published on Chris Sabat acting like an exceptional asshole towards his coworkers and Vic.

So, I really don't get the thought process here. There's long been the accusations that Vic is both homophobic and gay, which seems ridiculous, but let's at least pretend that he projects homophobia (as they see it) to mask his gay. But how is Vic both "secretly gay" and "into little girls"? I mean at least claim the guy is bisexual or something or at least claim he's a pedophile that's into little boys, but "gay" (man) and "into little girls" should be completely incompatible stances.

 

[solidcloud]

So, I really don't get the thought process here. There's long been the accusations that Vic is both homophobic and gay, which seems ridiculous, but let's at least pretend that he projects homophobia (as they see it) to mask his gay. But how is Vic both "secretly gay" and "into little girls"? I mean at least claim the guy is bisexual or something or at least claim he's a pedophile that's into little boys, but "gay" (man) and "into little girls" should be completely incompatible stances.

Is this not just a classic SJW tactic? Let's throw every -ism at someone online and see what sticks? It's shocking to see how many of these people end up being the very thing they crusade against.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

So, I really don't get the thought process here. There's long been the accusations that Vic is both homophobic and gay, which seems ridiculous, but let's at least pretend that he projects homophobia (as they see it) to mask his gay. But how is Vic both "secretly gay" and "into little girls"? I mean at least claim the guy is bisexual or something or at least claim he's a pedophile that's into little boys, but "gay" (man) and "into little girls" should be completely incompatible stances.

It's whatever they need it to be right at that moment. He can be a plotting, scheming mastermind, or he can be a bumbling incompetent moron. He can be a by-the-book christian, or he can be an amoral deviant. He can be a world-famous jet-setting playboy, or he can be a complete nobody who won't be missed.

It never ends with these fucks, and you can't nail them down on anything.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Regarding the Sabat allegations coming out ~ Is there any solid evidence for his harassment allegations, or is what I am seeing merely about mocking Sabat on principle of not being held to the same standards for evidence-less accusations that Vic had??

If there is no solid evidence on the Sabat allegations, are there four witnesses to any of the harassment indications?? Otherwise I think I have to err on the side of Sabat being innocent. It may be the Islamic standard, but it's guided me well so far on both the Vic and ProJared stuff.

I will always err on the side of facts and evidence. The hard evidence against Sabat is the audio tapes, there's a lot of explaining that needs to happen about those. The soft evidence is the suggestions from various people there was a casting couch and the signals they may be ready to move forward.

It's easy to lose sight of the fact people on both sides - including here on the Farms - operate in a bubble. We tend to give weight to facts that supports our side and look less favorably on those that don't. Add to that there's a PR campaign going on and consequences for speaking out, you get some pretty muddied waters.

With all that in mind, yeah, there's enough to be concerned about Sabat. What will come of it probably depends on the outcome of the TCPA hearing itself (not the ultimate judgement.) If the judge signals he's leaning more one way or the other, it will probably affect what comes out next.

At the end of the day, it's been established all of Vic's accusers are liars. People lie for reasons, they are protecting something that's not Kosher. My guess is the roots lie with Sabat, he sees Vic as a threat.

 

[TenMilesWide]

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I fail to see his point on why Vic's a public figure. Nick's right, this Anti Slapp thing is a stupid law

But that shit all happened after the events in question, if he wasn't a public figure at the time and the shit he's suing for catapulted him to that status (which is the only reasonable, non-smoothbrained take I can read from this) it doesn't matter.

You can't blast a dude on live TV, have him sue for the shit you said, and then claim that his live TV blasting made him a public figure and raised the standard of evidence for defamation, that'd be a broken system.

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

It's whatever they need it to be right at that moment. He can be a plotting, scheming mastermind, or he can be a bumbling incompetent moron. He can be a by-the-book christian, or he can be an amoral deviant. He can be a world-famous jet-setting playboy, or he can be a complete nobody who won't be missed.

It never ends with these fucks, and you can't nail them down on anything.

Maybe he the rape version of james bond.


Apprently every lady wants him(Untill they don't). and He apprently can sneak better then the dragon born in skyrim.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Maybe he the rape version of james bond.


Apprently every lady wants him(Untill they don't). and He apprently can sneak better then the dragon born in skyrim.

And glows like Sam Fisher.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

Maybe he the rape version of james bond.


Apprently every lady wants him(Untill they don't). and He apprently can sneak better then the dragon born in skyrim.

Well, that certainly explains this shit.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

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I fail to see his point on why Vic's a public figure. Nick's right, this Anti Slapp thing is a stupid law

I could be wrong here, but isn't public figure status for defamation not retroactive? You cant just call someone a child raping monster to get them fired and then launch them into public figure status to defend yourself.

He wasnt a public figure before being fired, hes at best limited public figure now that he has been defamed.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

I could be wrong here, but isn't public figure status for defamation not retroactive? You cant just call someone a child raping monster to get them fired and then launch them into public figure status to defend yourself.

He wasnt a public figure before being fired, hes at best limited public figure now that he has been defamed.

Correct. The Defendant's actions cannot be used to make their actions acceptable. They can't cause a scandal about Vic and then use that very scandal to "prove" that they were allowed to make a scandal about him.

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

And glows like Sam Fisher.

The names Mignogna, Vic Mignogna. He likes his woman Shaken Not stired.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

It's whatever they need it to be right at that moment. He can be a plotting, scheming mastermind, or he can be a bumbling incompetent moron. He can be a by-the-book christian, or he can be an amoral deviant. He can be a world-famous jet-setting playboy, or he can be a complete nobody who won't be missed.

It never ends with these fucks, and you can't nail them down on anything.

The right way to argue with them is to not argue with them. You go in knowing that they are mentally deficient liars and you talk AT and OVER them, not TO them. You make whatever argument you have to get your point across to the readers. You just use the lobotomite as a prop in making your case/giving your performance.

Because lets face it. Social media is all about the performance, not the facts. If you can get a few facts across at the expense of the lobotomite, then you win.

 

[Mister Y]

Is this not just a classic SJW tactic? Let's throw every -ism at someone online and see what sticks? It's shocking to see how many of these people end up being the very thing they crusade against.

Actually, this is rather classic homophobia.
Sabat thinks Vic is gay because fashion. But Sabat is homophobic so he thinks gays are degenerates. And Sabat thinks because gays are degenerates, of course they are also pedophiles.
This is what true homophobia looks like.

EDIT: Look at the arguments made by people who wanted to criminalize homosexuality for the past decades, how many times did they state that they feared for their kids ?

 

[solidcloud]

I could be wrong here, but isn't public figure status for defamation not retroactive? You cant just call someone a child raping monster to get them fired and then launch them into public figure status to defend yourself.

He wasnt a public figure before being fired, hes at best limited public figure now that he has been defamed.

Wouldn't that be something!? Well, you weren't a public figure before this, but now that you've been defamed, you're now a limited public figure, therefore let the defamation continue!!!

 

[Sheryl Nome]

Wouldn't that be something!? Well, you weren't a public figure before this, but now that you've been defamed, you're now a limited public figure, therefore let the defamation continue!!!

thats not what a limited purpose public figure is, and the jurisprudence at large says involuntary public figures are exceptionally rare, we're talking about a status thats basically co-extensive with being libel-proof.

 

[solidcloud]

The names Mignogna, Vic Mignogna. He likes his woman beached. Just beached.

Fixed.

 

[ChucklesTheJester]

Fixed.

Mine was a joke about Twitter, and moronica's hotel story.

 

[solidcloud]

Mine was a joke about Twitter, and moronica's hotel story.

Gotcha. Couldn't pass the opportunity to call Marchi and Monica whales though. I'm pretty new here, but felt like it was a sort of right of passage.