So, I haven't had time to respond since the forums were down and a mysterious edible arrangements basket showed up at my front door and gave me a vicious case of food poisoning. But I've ruminated on things and fermented my thoughts. I've intimately known sociopaths and Zoe Quinn's particular breed of sociopathy has become clearer to me.
Honestly, though, they seem to have moved on to eating their own for easy targets. So that's a silver lining.
Everyone else seems to have learned to tell them to fuck off.
Well, I go deeper into this in my post. But Zoe has her victim pool. She knows where to hunt and who to hunt. And that isn't you or me. Or really anyone in this thread. She just feeds off of us and uses us. She needs enemies just as much as she needs beta sycophants. She could make up illusory ones, sure. A lot of sociopaths do. But Zoe has the luxury of pointing her supporters at actual ones.
So if I chose apathy to not be used, I chose apathy. I will not be a sociopath's tool in a game. Just understand, you're as useful to her as any of her allies. You give her something to point to. Equally understand, in the circles that she travels, no matter what she does, or who she harms, you will be eternally wrong. Just make sure you understand that. And if you do, go ahead. I don't give a fuck, do whatever you want.
But I've known too many sociopaths and I've stopped playing their games. They don't have emotions to harm or things to take away from them. You will never, ever win an emotional battle with a sociopath. Unless you are apathetic and view them as beneath your notice or care. You want to hurt or take something from Zoe? That's the way you do it. You're not going to win this battle by truth or justice. Because frankly, everyone around her and Zoe herself doesn't give a fuck about either of those things. And if you think she really cares about the tiny, TINY place she has in the gaming industry and the comic industry....she...really doesn't. Its the victim pool that she wants. So, even if she loses those but keeps her victim pool, I don't think she gives a singular solitary fuck.
100% disagree.
The townsfolk can only be terrorized by the witch in the forest for so long. Then they band together and burn her.
Is this going to happen soon? Probably not. But that day is drawing closer and closer.
We are archiving all of her misdeeds for two reasons:
1) In case we inspire some anonymous hacker to break into her shit and image her hard drives and social media DMs, which assuredly has enough incriminating shit to get her brought up on charges and/or destroy her public image.
2) When one of her targets inevitably snaps and literally kills her, we'll have a nice long file for the purposes of Jury Nullification.
I'm not promoting the idea that anyone physically harm her at all. What I'm saying is that this woman has done so much harm, that if I was on the jury of the person who caved in her skull with a baseball bat, my vote would be Not Guilty -- no matter how "brutal" her end was.
Sorry to say, but you're deluding yourself. The circle where she is, she has all the townfolk on her side. What she's doing is having the townfolk hunt werewolves for her. And as for two, Zoe is not stupid enough to choose a target capable of this. Sociopaths are INCREDIBLY good at reading people. That male feminist that murdered his girlfriend? She would have seen that crazy ten miles away and stayed far from him. She will not choose a target she knows will: hurt her socially or hurt her physically or one that doesn't get her anything. Sure, she'll let her beta orbiters go after her critics, it serves her.
But she knows going after her critics herself isn't really getting her much traction anymore, hence the #MeToo shit. Alec was Zoe's ideal target. The problem with Zoe is that she can read people really well and knows how to pick targets, friends and enemies, she really doesn't understand other people's emotions, like most sociopaths. So she couldn't see that he was too perfect, so he killed himself. Which was not Zoe's goal, nor does it give her what she wants. Its actually a really bad outcome for what she actually wants, because she wants to feed off of this. And the guy offing himself removes the veil of weakness from her, indicating she does have power. Which is not something she wants to show. Regardless of whether we know it or not. But as I say below, who gives a shit what she wanted, she indirectly killed a man.
The damage control is Zoe desperately trying to recover from this so she can hunt again. She doesn't give a fuck about her actions. And as you can see, neither does her circle either. Which is where she wields all her power. The 'townfolk'. So if you're waiting for them to burn the witch, look at her username. They ain't burning fucking shit.
Normally I agree with a lot of what you say but this time I actually think you're too pessimistic. While she hid her Patreon metrics I highly doubt they rose to a significant level. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the increase was a mere pittance, a slight addition of a few hundred bucks a month(and I do consider that slight for this situation)which will just gradually dry up again.
I'm sure you haven't forgotten that the entire reason Zoe most likely did this was to claim literal victimbux; to get her Patreon some numbers, blow it up some with more cash inflow. All that's going to happen is, at worst, she'll rake in some extra money for a while, then it will gradually dwindle like the available charts show it has for a long time now up until this incident.
What then? Well, here's the thing: you're actually right in my opinion, UNDER certain circumstances. Those circumstances would be, she stops. Completely. I don't just mean now. In my opinion, the BEST option for Zoe right now would be to coast by on what she has right now, shut the fuck up, somehow get her followers and sycophants to shut the fuck up, and just put everything behind her.
IF she were to do this, she's insignificant enough to much of the world right now that it would be less likely for someone to actually look at her in real life and go "Hey aren't you the woman who accused a man of abuse who committed suicide" or some variation of that.
Here's why that's not going to happen:
Despite this being the BEST out my brain can think of, this comes with the added factor that she'll lose Patreonbux gradually. She will, eventually, see the impact that will have in the long run and the only out she has for that is to repeat the cycle all over again or try and advertise to get more money. At best she creates another Chuck Tingle situation, but how long can she keep making fund me things for stuff she doesn't deliver on before she actually comes under scrutiny?
And if she does another callout for literal victimbux, the cycle repeats and Alec's corpse is metaphorically dug up all over again when the next accused is told by people who just HAVE to tell him "Dude the last person she accused ended up killing himself". Mark my words, the next person she even remotely metoo's will involve Alec being brought back up in full force on the subject matter, and even otherwise NO ONE is going to ever shut the fuck up about this for years to come I'm sure. Every time Zoe is brought up I guaran-fucking-tee you that someone is going to bring Alec into it.
Now will this actually hurt her or make her feel guilty? Fuck no. But it WILL annoy her. She'll be pissed off constantly that no one is shutting up about Alec and that she can't just bury the truth and have her happy little narrative. That will definitely irritate her every time it comes up.
She also runs what I could even call the definition of a cult. Some do it out of fear, hell GG only ever happened in my opinion because people like the journalists were protecting their own. But I'm sure enough do it out of some rabid fucking devotion to her that she won't be able to make them all stop, so her own followers would end up being part of what fucks her over if she ever wanted to seriously stop.
She won't age gracefully, and anyone with money, power, status, or any combination of the three would never marry her unless she found someone fucking insane or clueless. Yeah, nothing's going to happen right now. But the more people see her for what she really is, the better, far as I'm concerned.
I still hold firm that it's not the vast network you make it out to be. Some journalists? A few specific people in the right place? That means nothing. She can't rise in the games industry beyond being a no-name indie dev with zero talent or good games released at best and a harpy who preys on people to give her favors and boost her in said industry at worst. She can barely rise in the comics industry and I say this having the bare minimum of information on that front(maybe I should read up more about the goings-ons on this site, get better educated on that side of things), but knowing that sales are apparently abysmal enough for the cringier comics that there's no way Goddess Mode is making her mad bank. If it is, well...shit I'm wrong on that one I guess.
Point is, no, nothing bad is going to happen to her right now, but she's not in some permanently untouchable position. Otherwise she wouldn't have gone from games to comics. I'm not rallying or saying we need to go after her. Just stating that one day she'll trip over her own ineptitude and fall on her face. Until then, the cycle continues.
I agree with you but I'm of the opinion....money is secondary to her. Given her history and what I know about sociopaths. Much like a serial killer, they don't kill because they necessarily like killing. They like the pleasure that it brings. Killing is just an outcome of that pleasure. Money just happens to be an outcome of the way Zoe hunts. Sociopaths don't really operate like we think they would. Which is why they're literal aliens in this world. Sure, this brings in Patreonbux. But you can look at other victims who make money, you can look at other people. There's easier ways of grifting. Surely safer and less fucking risky, without any sort of blow-back or consequence. Of literally any kind. She could have basically implied Alec, gotten articles, gotten the money and never really mentioned him. Or pointed to him. Or just even made something up whole-cloth that never gets back to her. This isn't about a grift. This is about what she feeds on: the idea she's weak, but in reality, extremely powerful, in control and can get away with anything. That's the rush. The money...well, that's kind of secondary.
Of course, Alec dying was the exact opposite of what she wanted. It draws WAY too many eyes, reveals she actually isn't a victim and has power. So you can think of Alec as a 'kill', both literally and metaphorically. I think maybe the real reason she did Alec dirty wasn't because of money, it was because of attention. She needs to be viewed as a victim. She felt, in public, at least, it was time to press F5. Remember, we don't know how she's feeding this urge in private. I imagine its way fucking worse in her circle and the shit she does to people close to her is...barbaric. She's butchering motherfuckers, of that I have no doubt. With the amount of clout she wields, Jesus Christ. She doesn't need to fucking hunt people in public anymore, she can feast in her waters as much as she wants. Chum's there. She just probably felt the need the public still needed to know.
Problem for Zoe is they know a little too well now.
I also maintain, Zoe really doesn't want to go higher. Not really. She has what she wants and what she needs. Sociopaths don't stay complacent. They keep moving until they hit a stride and they stay there, because its exactly what they want. Zoe wants to be the biggest fish in the smallest pond, stacked to the gills with smaller fish she can play with. Bigger ponds always have bigger fish. Zoe's not a politician or CEO. She's a manipulative sociopath who wants to put on the air of weakness and feed off people weaker than her. The higher you go, the more ruthless the sociopath you encounter. If you go higher, there's sociopaths with ambition and with more clout and more connections that will cut you down. They'll do it for the fucking thrill of it. That's why politicians and CEOs are mostly sociopaths. They cum from murdering people above and below them. And are really fucking good at it. Metaphorically speaking. Mostly. Which really isn't what Zoe gets off on or is what drives her. And ambition is not something Zoe Quinn gives a singular fuck about. Like, projecting that ambition? Absolutely. Having it? No fucking way. She is content to leech, and leech low. She really could have, if she wanted, climbed higher. But did she, really? I don't think she did quite honestly. Perfectly content having the illusion of prestige rather than actually having it. I don't think she wants the sort of trouble that going higher brings. Some sociopaths do. Zoe does not.
I think what she'll do now is go to ground as fast as possible and won't publicly #MeToo someone at least until she's really fucking desperate for a hunt or has found a perfect target that will take all of Alec's heat. Until then, I expect radio silence. Not because she gives a shit, but because she needs time for this to blow over. She also won't give a fuck what any of us think. As I pointed out before, we're all useful to her. I don't think it will annoy her. The only thing that will is apathy or her circle starting to not believe her. Both things which I don't think will happen soon.
I do think, while she'll never be held accountable to what she's done, ever, by anyone in her circle, this circle is also an inescapable hell. She's built it, but as she ages out, all the fish will leave her. She's relied on her sexuality, her looks and her own superficiality and perceived weakness to build this. All of those things fade with age. So be content. In time, she will be a sociopath with no victims, excepting the most weak and most pathetic.
I'm not buying into the "untouchable Zoe" theory, I think anyone other than some bipolar vidyafags could likely (figuratively, lurkers...) kick in her shit if she crossed them wrong. She tried beefing with Notch who promptly put her ass in her place without much hassle, if she actually tried to go after him his million dollar autism would probably ring her around good. I'm also pretty sure she tested the waters against Total Biscuit at the start of GG too and realized she couldn't do shit to him.
Someone (or a few people by this point really) have pointed out she's specifically chosen a crowd she can dominate and positioned herself within that crowd where she's queen bee. But that's only good for that specific crowd. If she were to go after someone like a low-to-mid tier comedian, or really anyone who wasn't going to immediately crumble because they needed to be in a specific social circles good graces? They demolish her. She's smart enough to have picked an inherently weak, cowardly scene and establish dominance there, but I don't think for a second that shit would play in anything outside of that scene.
GG was at the height of basically everything. Think of her then, like....I would compare it to a nascent serial killer. Testing the waters of who she could really murder effectively. You have to remember, at this point, Zoe was still a narcissistic, manipulative sociopath, but only to singular people. She never really had any massive backing. So all of this was all testing to see what and how she could get away with and with whom.
She's untouchable because specifically she's not stupid enough to move after anyone not in her crowd. So any damage she causes within that crowd, no matter however horrific, will ever get her held to account. Like I said, Alec was the PERFECT target. She's not smart, but she's not a fucking moron either. She knows who to hunt and how to hunt them. However, unlike serial killers, Zoe doesn't actually want to kill who she preys upon. It doesn't get her what she wants. Even if its the most perfect kill in the world, that's not her motivation. Its the PERCEPTION that she could kill them, that's what she wants. Her indirectly killing Alec fucks everything up for her. It was most certainly not her desired outcome. Of course, a man is dead, so who gives a fuck what she intended.
Its the entire social manipulation. Its that...veil of weakness, but you've actually got all the power in the world. That's what she wants to project. Think about the photographer who was shooting her nude when she said she murdered a guy who almost raped her. She's there to strip, at her most vulnerable, yet she tells you she fucking murdered a man, straight up. The largest crime you can commit in society. And not only did she kill him, she got away with it and didn't bother going to the cops. That photographer also missed Zoe's unspoken implication: if you fuck with me, no matter how I look right this second in time, I will destroy you. The law will not save you. And nothing will happen to me. The entirety of my romantic relationships have been with varying degrees of sociopath. So I know the language they speak. There's really two things going on with that at once: wanting to project that power and the message is that she has it, and she will use it, and you are helpless to stop her.
That's what she enjoys. Its all in her history.
Maybe she'll never get thrown in prison or get shot in the face by some victim, but she's well past her expire by date and it's all downhill from here. It will be a long, slow spiral into oblivion.
I agree with you here. Its the only place Zoe can go. And like all good little sociopaths, it will be a descent into hell. A hell of her own making. But like, by the time that happens, none of us here will ever really notice. And in the end, I think that's how Zoe goes out. Hilariously, nobody just gives a fuck about her anymore. She just ages out. She built everything out of sexual prowess and her #MeToo power....except, when you're ugly and old...#MeToo doesn't work anymore. Your beta virgin army eventually can't convince themselves you're that 'magic pixie goth girl' you've pitched yourself as. Instead, you look more like their sexless, fat aunt with too many cats. They just simply scatter into the night. Sure, maybe you've got some REALLY desperate hangers on, but that's really it.
By then, the media will either be dead, or GamerGate will be so dead, not even they can conjure money up from it anymore. They eventually stop giving a fuck.
The devs you had blackmail material on will wipe the sweat from their brow as you can't really blackmail people if you yourself don't have any clout.
Since you yourself never had any actual coding talent or writing talent...or any talent, really, besides using your body and manipulation of social circles, there's nothing left to subsist off of.
Zoe's only real move right now is to find a rich, super-cuck and fucking Sam Hyde him into marriage. Problem is she's so superficial I don't think she sees it. She thinks she'll be able to pawn her body off forever, and that simply isn't true. So I think just time relegates her to the abyss of shitty people. Like, she's not even worth looking up anymore.
"Hey, remember that dumb fat cunt?"
"Which one?"
"Some bitch who thought she was Harley Quinn and had a beta virgin army."
"You'll have to be more specific."
"Its the dumb cunt who reached her apex when she suicided some guy."
"Oh yeah. I remember."
"I wonder what she's doing now?"
"Probably dead from super-aids, who gives a fuck."
For someone like Zoe, that's literal hell. That's the rest of her entire life. And after that, she has actual hell to look forward to.
So when I say, 'nothing bad will happen to Zoe Quinn', I mean no one will ever hold her accountable. Ever. However, that doesn't mean the hell that she's built for herself into won't inflict itself full force. She's destined for this. Its already in the cards. My thing is, she's just not worth the time. She will leave human wreckage behind, and it won't get held to her. Ever. But...that being said. She will face the karmic hell of obscurity and powerlessness. So why not get that party started early?
Stop being her enemy. Start being her apathy. There is no singular worse fate for someone like her. She feeds off of everything. If there's one thing I know in this world, I know my sociopaths. They need enemies just as much as they need sycophants. You disappear, she has no choice but to bite deeper and deeper into her own circle. She has no outside forces to point to. So the hell she made gets started.
You want to make her truly hurt and truly pay for the shit she's done? Ignore her. Force her to continue to self-cannibalize until she's got nothing and no one left.
Apathy is the true destruction of the narcissistic, manipulative sociopath.
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