Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread


I lasted til "Vast majority of charges" were dismissed. This is the sad state of propaganda in our day and age.
 
"J O U R N A L I S M"
Where people write opinion pieces rather than bring the news like they are fucking supposed to.
That isn't being a journalist, it's being some faggot online writing a blog entry with their own personal feelings on the matter.
Shame there's no real journalists these days.
Just people swallowing the cum-aid.
I swear to god, any fucking loser with a text editor these days can be called itself a "journalist". Another fucking word devoid of meaning.

And while I have several points to tackle from this, I won't give this hack more than the few minutes I took for commenting

Also, Dopey. Happy birthday.
 
There is so much awful in this one article, starting from his title stating it's a failed lawsuit yet in the second paragraph he just refers to it as "seemingly dead in the water." Also:
While much of this has to do with the strong performance of the defense's legal team, a lot of blame can be placed on the pitiful performance of the plaintiff. Mignogna, for one, never showed up to court.
Vic was not required to show up to court and therefore it isn't an issue.
Several YouTubers ran entire videos focusing on individual fans coming forward with their stories. Regardless of their validity, the Mignogna supporters would spam and harass them.
Checking to see if a story actually held water is not harassment, many of the stories had no evidence backing them.
Oddly enough, as the date of the case drew near, numerous false stories started to crop up, discrediting Funimation staff. Most famously, Rekeita posted several "leaked" outtakes featuring the Dragon Ball Z actors saying lewd things.
How is it a false story when it is literal audio leaks where it is clear that it isn't someone imitating their voices. Weaselly trying to link the two points in the way it's worded even if they have no relation. Never mentions any actual hoax stories.
Rekeita also spread rumors that voice actors Christopher Sabat and Ron Toye (one of the people being sued), intending to defame them. The evidence for these claims rarely held up under scrutiny, especially when people close to the matter spoke out.
No mention as to what these rumors are, Ron Toye being a wife beater is also legal record not a rumor. He just hand waves the evidence for rumors he never elaborates on, doesn't mention who these "people close to the matter" even are, and is incredibly vague overall.
Rekeita started a massive GoFundMe campaign to, in part, cover Mignogna's litigation costs, raising more than $240,000 so far. However, Mignogna, when asked about the fundraising during his deposition, stated he gave "no permission" for Rekeita to create the page.
Muh Gofundme and out of context quotations. Also how can he keep getting Nick's name wrong when you can literally google it, does this site have no concept of editors?
And, in the end, it was all for nothing. Mignogna, or, more specifically, those around him, could have been better served if he kept quiet and waited for the heat to die down. By launching this poorly planned, ineffective lawsuit, he made himself even more of a pariah. His defenders, ironically, made him even more hated, by association. And with the case closing, all of the YouTubers and lawyers who financially gained from the situation will now lose a source of income. In the long term, no-one benefited.
This again. Also this entire paragraph and how it's written just shows how much he is injecting his personal feelings without anything to back it up. This doesn't read as any form of news report and more like a crappy blog from a guy that is trying to throw personality into his writing while failing miserably.

This article is so horribly written, how does this guy have a writing job. The way he writes is just all around awful and the amount of times he cites twitter. If this was submitted to ANY kind of university level course, maybe even high school level, he would get a low/failing grade and I feel sorry for any teacher of his that had to read through his garbage writing that hasn't improved since he was a small child. The fact that someone like him has a writing job on that site actively brings down any sort of quality the site would like to say it has. It makes sense that he writes for trash sites since they're probably the only place that would take him.
 
I think you can Nickname Users from your side. Not positive. But again we shall see if it's credible or not dependent on the reactions and behaviors of the other side. If they act in outright denial mode, and/or start attacking this person. We can factor that into the credibility. Now if they start playing games about it, or outright ignore it. Then that would be good indication of gayops.

Sorry, my inner detective is showing.
It’s cool, buddy. Honestly, we’re doing more investigating in this case than those who are paid to do it.
This seems a little too convenient. Why would they all be in a public-ish server with people? Ron I can understand because he has to insert himself into everything but this is a little too exceptional and reeks of gayops.

And only one screenshot to show for it (a terrible one at that) seems a little too suspect.

Assuming there were other people besides this Jess person in there, I'd love to see someone else step up to confirm validity.
some servers Have an insert links you can set to expire after a certain period of time. Also, you could put it behind a Patreon wall.
That really isn't a good method of verifying validity either considering how easy it is to get a reaction from them over just about anything. If someone fabricated screenshots about me I'd probably be more pissed than if they were true, but these guys will be mad either way or just ignore it.

The best way to confirm validity is to find others that were in this supposed server or in a KickVic server with the VAs that can provide concrete proof that they were there.
Good luck with that. If my hunch is right, you’ll just be seeing a bunch of blocks and scrubbing. This is a war to them after all.
I think I might need to get this out the way because we always make fun of kv that claim to be neutrals, so it is only fair to do that here. Many of us do stand with vic though. Maybe not because he is some guy who voices anime characters, but because they were driving a good man to suicide with their bullshit. I think many of us had gotten to liking vic, while still knowing he is a flawed man.
While I know him as a VA, being on the Farms made me sympathize with Vic, and the hearing made me realize I was in too deep.
My current theoretical timeline for the Funi "investigation" and the early conspiracy.

Vic gets offered a director position and more prominent roles from someone in the wake of Broly, the offer is enticing enough for him to move out to Texas.

Sabat finds out and realizes that he's going to lose his ability to strangle Vic out of VA roles, as a director position will give Vic more influence and staying power - and the massive hit role of Broly risks kicking him right up into stardom (as much as an anime VA can have).

Sabat has an emergency meeting about what to do.

Monica, who has the longest history with Vic and lots of brownie points to cash in with the community offers (or is assigned) to come up with a story to ruin Vic.

Kickvic kicks off the day of Broly's release. Most likely this is orchestrated somehow, given the Marzgurl-ANN connection, and the fact that people like Monica like/retweet Hanleia's totally stupid tweet (perhaps Hanleia's stupid is completely organically grown, but it's used as the foundation for the completely inorganic hashtag and ensuing furor).

Behind the scenes, Monica sends an email or phonecall to either Tammi Denbow or Colleen Clickenbeard with a variation of her kiss sob story. They believe her - charitably, Colleen has been friends with Monica so long that she absolutely believes Monica, and thus she vouches for her with Tammi. Technically, the assault didn't happen on Funimation property nor on their time, though, so firing him over that story alone might be a hard sell, given he was being considered for promotion and just had a hit movie.

ETA: most likely given what Chuck says Gen said, Sabat vouched for Monica's reliability in some way just to grease the wheels.

Thus, Tammi and/or Colleen wisely decide to start an investigation into Vic to see if there's anything else they can use. (Alternatively if Sabat thinks he's hot stuff enough, he could have included an investigation on purpose for later defamation, but that's being too charitable to Sabat's cleverness) The investigation turns up three other stories of note - the Jellybean story (a second Monica event) that could be construed to happen while they were 'representing' Funimation, the kiss story that happened on Funimation property (provided by Monica), and the Twins' story (who conveniently lived with Monica) that could also be construed to somehow impact Funimation's image.

Because it's an official investigation, they have to contact Vic about these stories. He denies them.

It doesn't matter, Tammi was already going to recommend firing because of the hotel room story. Thus, she says that the accusations are 'credible' and immediately recommends his termination. Funimation is in such a hurry to kick him out that they don't bother to follow their own procedure to do so and just call him to inform him. They make sure to tell Vic not to contact any of the women involved.

Funimation leaks the firing to ANN immediately after telling Vic that they'll keep it confidential.

Rooster Teeth laughs off the accusations on Twitter at this point and tell Vic they don't believe a word of it, don't worry.

Monica emails Rooster Teeth with the same sob story she used in Funimation, begging them to fire him because she can't work in GEN;lock if he's voicing someone in their company at all. "Also pls don't tell Vic, he emailed me and harassed me after the Funimation investigation, I don't feel safe!"

RT fires Vic and very professionally refuses to tell him why. Monica emails them again, patting them on the back for doing the right thing, and they email back their sympathies for what she had to go through.

Monica starts harassing Tammi Denbow freaking out because Funimation's promise to keep the investigation and firing situation confidential is preventing her from talking about it properly, so she's getting attacked and harassed on twitter and literally having a mental break. She's in fear for her life. People want to kill her! Please, Funimation has to let her say something! Also Funimation needs to say something! Pretty please!!!!! (probably she has similar emails to RT, since they also make a public statement)

Funimation tweets out, breaking their confidentiality promise and defaming Vic, causing a cascade of con removals.

Somewhere along this time, Ron and Monica contact cons via text, offering or threatening sponsorships of either Funimation or Tuttle, spreading the insane hotel accusation and then adding 'but please don't tell, keep it our special secret, you'll interfere with the criminal investigation that's definitely happening right now'.

During all this, Marchi is on Twitter pissing people off and organizing a discord for people who want to make up their own Vic stories, including Jessie Pridemore and Emmett Plant.

Sabat is meanwhile in the background orchestrating the Funimation TI that Monica and Ron can't and whipping his VAs into shape, ensuring no one speaks up in Vic's defense and as many people as possible join in with 'supporting' Monica. He supports her himself as well, including saying 'the only bus running over Vic is one he did to himself'. He backs all the way off and goes silent once #istandwithvic starts to pick up speed and idiots like Samantha start screwing things up.
While believable, the TI was thrown out the window, and I don’t think as a scrub that there’s a way to bring it back after being tossed. Also, seeing SJWs, I highly doubt their egos would allow them to let themselves be pawns in some game of cosmic chess. Even being a knight, rook, or Bishop is pushing things.

Edit: Also, if this really is a dick measuring contest between Chris and Vic, I doubt Monica and Jamie would be on board. Female SJWs would call that part something about male privilege or toxic masculinity in the form constantly showing yourself to be an alpha type.
I think another point worth considering is that Vic getting a Director spot at Funi might have seemed awful for a lot of the VA that have come out as KV. He's known for wanting to do re-recordings for line takes he didn't think were up to his own standard which apparently annoyed some of the other VA, I could seem him being a strict director in that regard. He would probably push for a high quality standard on shows which a lot of those lazy VA that just phone it in would hate. Maybe they were also worried about Vic becoming a director and creating another faction in Funi, he seems popular enough to do it, that would put their own little clique in trouble with his, especially why Sabat wouldn't want him back. Vic becoming a director had the possibility of shaking up that cozy little cesspit they've made for themselves at Funi.

I can't personally comment on recent Dub quality coming out from Funi since I stopped watching dubs a long time ago, but one of the major reasons I switched to subs in the late 2000s - early 2010s was that I felt there was a steep quality drop going on. Someone more knowledgeable than me can give a more informed opinion on the state of current Funi dubs, from the small clips I see they come off as stale and lacking in any kind of character when compared the the original japanese VA.
Sounds about right. Eve if Vic has high standards, I doubt he’s as crazy as Stanley Kubrick. Also, @GenericReviewerDraco, dub quality is being talked about, we need you and your expertise!
Personally, I don’t watch enough anime to care either way, but between the cousins and pointing and episode cutting and the GamerGate line and whatever else there was, between those two, that was probably the golden age for Funimation by virtue of doing the bare minimum probably, with the exception of Brotherhood which is regarded as God tier dubbing, and Ghost Stories Which is funny BECAUSE it’s been changed so much (and the only thing you could say against it is some of the jokes might be dated.)
"It failed."

CBR is known to be a shit site, basically fighting Bleeding Cool for the honor of being "The ANN for Comics," but this guy seems to be so desperate for asspats from his feminist buddies I'd see about digging up his floorboards to check for corpses of dead hookers or something.
I thought BleedingCool was turning into the OneAngryGamer of comics: being anti-SJW and nothing else, not realizing that the times dictated that you move onto something else in your presentation and talking points to keep relevant.
 
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Dylan Kielman/Hazukari was the spark that ignited this flame. He was a big figure in the SJWeaboo social circle. He attended multiple conventions with Autism News Network (he's a con groupie who'd show up everywhere) and wrote a few articles for them (that they've since memory holed). In early January, a bunch of people began accusing him of molesting them, sending porn to minors, lusting after tranny teens and other male feminist behavior.


He didn't fight back.

Rather than warn people of the pedo in their ranks, Autism News Network tried deflecting the attention by making a list of other people accused of inappropriate conduct.


Guess who was #1? The Broly movie just came out, so Vic was the perfect distraction.

Oh he raped women and troons? Typical. You'd think they would spice it up and prey on males like Stephen Fry.

How he's escaped from this without damage is strange.
 
I swear to god, any fucking loser with a text editor these days can be called itself a "journalist". Another fucking word devoid of meaning.

And while I have several points to tackle from this, I won't give this hack more than the few minutes I took for commenting

Also, Dopey. Happy birthday.
That would be for the best. They go on people reading their shit "articles.
Also thank you.
 
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Dylan Kielman/Hazukari was the spark that ignited this flame. He was a big figure in the SJWeaboo social circle. He attended multiple conventions with Autism News Network (he's a con groupie who'd show up everywhere) and wrote a few articles for them (that they've since memory holed). In early January, a bunch of people began accusing him of molesting them, sending porn to minors, lusting after tranny teens and other male feminist behavior.


He didn't fight back.

Rather than warn people of the pedo in their ranks, Autism News Network tried deflecting the attention by making a list of other people accused of inappropriate conduct.


Guess who was #1? The Broly movie just came out, so Vic was the perfect distraction.
So yeah, criminals come from all walks of life, but doesn't this dude just look sketchy as fuck?
 
Imagine the quality of their general releases to be "meh" all around since their late-2000s output, only now they are working with rushed simul-dub production schedules, and have that ever present tinge of current year SJW mixed in for cringey measure. Naturally, it is the Japanese source material/fans which suffer most, and I VERY much doubt the original creators would sign off on half of the shit Funi has edited if they were actually aware of the changes.

Have a taste of a few clips from the infamous Hajimete dub. All taken from about 5 minutes in just 1 episode.
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For your information the source material to the anime above was in fact, a LN, and the show was created to promote that very LN in Japan. Funimation's edit doesn't just shit on the very LN fans who would be watching the show, it does so all while using SOMEONE ELSE'S CREATION to push their fucking SJW politics...
I've seen /a/ and GameFAQs generally be okay with this dub because the anime is a kuso adaptation of the manga/being kuso in general.
 
While I know him as a VA, being on the Farms made me sympathize with Vic, and the hearing made me realize I was in too deep.
Not to get too off topic, but yeah I was one of those emotional ones too(this account is somewhat new, but I am @Genkoda as I had forgotten the email password and username password). All I was trying to say is that we may not be fanboys and fangirls, but most of us have gotten to liking him and we obviously favor vic(since evidence favors him). Yeah there were a few kickvic types(or at least the forever february types) that are on the farms, but have since then fucked off back to the other subforums.
 
Just saw it. I guess you archived it before I could. Who's Jess Walt and why would this individual have access to a Discord with a post like this is my first question. It wouldn't be too hard to doctor a discord post like this sonata screenshot like that alone makes me a little doubtful initially.
It wouldnt be too hard. But why would they then link Marchi in the tweet? That would make it easier for Marchi to refute.

Never mind..why do people do this? It just gives them another shitty thing to lump everyone else that supports Vic with. Making up this bullshit does go to show how people online can, in fact, make up seemingly credible shit about people--so it's interesting that KV are quick to deny this and not the amorphous stories on their end. But this is dumb none the less
 
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"It failed."

CBR is known to be a shit site, basically fighting Bleeding Cool for the honor of being "The ANN for Comics," but this guy seems to be so desperate for asspats from his feminist buddies I'd see about digging up his floorboards to check for corpses of dead hookers or something.
He was supertight with the Blue Orca's takes on everything when she was hot and heavy over Comicsgate. I don't know if they tweeted back and forth much, but he was always perfectly aligned and carried her water a few times. FYI, fhis is not someone from outside the inner KV circle. More likely he is in the inner circle than Sharon.
 
Archive of the twitter comments for that awful article, packed full with KV talking about how they can't wait for Vic fans to rage in the comments.
 
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It wouldnt be too hard. But why would they then link Marchi in the tweet? That would make it easier for Marchi to refute.

Never mind..why do people do this? It just gives them another shitty thing to lump everyone else that supports Vic with. Making up this bullshit does go to show how people online can, in fact, make up seemingly credible shit about people--so it's interesting that KV are quick to deny this and not the amorphous stories on their end. But this is dumb none the less

Fake gayops bait doesn't change the fact that jealous coworkers killed a man's career because their autograph lines weren't long enough. Monica and Jamie should deep throat a double barrel shotgun till it cums all over their faces. I'd say their fans deserve better but they're pieces of shit too; they're perfect for each other.
 
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