Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Garm]

Just got a thought running through my head, people already mentioned how this mediation may partially be used to gauge the rationality and good faith of the parties... Can the Defendants actually present a deal that won't make them look like complete Douccetes that they would actually take?

I mean, what could they ask, "stop the lawsuit and pay our fees because you got no case, and in exchange we do absolutely nothing." That still makes them look like lunatics.

Funimation could honestly make a decent deal, claiming the others made knowingly false statements and claiming authority where there was none. In exchange of making a small monetary arrangement with Vic.

But the others can't make even an attempt at a reasonable deal without losing their entire narrative. Or can they? Is there any possible settlement they could present that doesn't fuck over their narrative one way or another?

I don't think there is a deal to be made. There are no good endings at this point. Just the one that does the least damage.

 

[Notspecialdude]

Realistically, we know that no settlement will be made. But, the fact that appeals are practically guaranteed to go Vic's way is something to consider. Even so, I don't see them even having a conversation or attempting it. The defendants have their reputations on the line and can't turn back and Vic can't turn back either because salvaging his career or reputation is all he has left. The meeting will be shorter then the time it takes to set it up.

 

[SpiralStars]

imho, the mediation is a stall and an excuse to miss ruling on the TCPA. This will trigger an immediate appeal from the defendants which will put the case on hold while the TCPA gets appealed. I don't know if there's any fast track for such an appeal. I'm not sure how a defendant appeal works on TCPA, thought Nick mentioned it was immediate as in what happens next (I assume not as in fast). Heck it might even come back to Chupp to continue the case. This might by why Chupp said 'back for appeals' in 3 months, he's going to do something that triggers the defendants to appeal the TPCA. Vic appealing would be long after that.

 

[Padoru]

imho, the mediation is a stall and an excuse to miss ruling on the TCPA. This will trigger an immediate appeal from the defendants which will put the case on hold while the TCPA gets appealed. I don't know if there's any fast track for such an appeal. I'm not sure how a defendant appeal works on TCPA, thought Nick mentioned it was immediate as in what happens next (I assume not as in fast). Heck it might even come back to Chupp to continue the case. This might by why Chupp said 'back for appeals' in 3 months, he's going to do something that triggers the defendants to appeal the TPCA. Vic appealing would be long after that.

didn't people state multiple times that a lawsuit that doesn't get ruled by the judge here is NOT appealable? Like i remember that being said

 

[Soviras]

imho, the mediation is a stall and an excuse to miss ruling on the TCPA. This will trigger an immediate appeal from the defendants which will put the case on hold while the TCPA gets appealed. I don't know if there's any fast track for such an appeal. I'm not sure how a defendant appeal works on TCPA, thought Nick mentioned it was immediate as in what happens next (I assume not as in fast). Heck it might even come back to Chupp to continue the case. This might by why Chupp said 'back for appeals' in 3 months, he's going to do something that triggers the defendants to appeal the TPCA. Vic appealing would be long after that.

didn't people state multiple times that a lawsuit that doesn't get ruled by the judge here is NOT appealable? Like i remember that being said

As far as I'm aware, there has yet to be a single case where a missed TCPA deadline got successfully appealed. It might happen, but it's likely not to. There's a fast track for the appeal though, the defendants always get an expedited appeal for the TCPA, which means the appeals court has to handle it soon after the appeal is filed.
Even though there hasn't been a successful appeal yet, there were appeal attempts at most of the missed deadline cases, just unsuccessful.

 

[FadeIntoObsurity]

Well, it might not end in a settlement or anything, but this is a way for the Judge to gauge the behavior of the parties. If Monica, Jamie, and Ron flip a nut and decide to be wildly unreasonable with their demands, it will reflect in the Judge's official rulings, I'm sure. As much as the Judge may want them to find peace, the defendants are way too hostile for his perfect ending.

I know people go back to that counseling thing Vic said in his Twitter apology, but does anyone know what he specifically meant by that? Was he talking about seeking counsel from lawyers at the time? Or was it seeing a shrink to reflect on how his actions could lead to the world backstabbing him? Most see it like he was seeking it from the church for being promiscuous or whatever... But I don't know if it was established for sure.

Also in regards to the casting couch, I think it was confirmed it did exist at some point. I may be mixing things up though, as someone said that the situation had already been "handled". Handled how? Who got disciplined for that shit? Not Sabat... that's for sure.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Well, it might not end in a settlement or anything, but this is a way for the Judge to gauge the behavior of the parties. If Monica, Jamie, and Ron flip a nut and decide to be wildly unreasonable with their demands, it will reflect in the Judge's official rulings, I'm sure. As much as the Judge may want them to find peace, the defendants are way too hostile for his perfect ending.

I know people go back to that counseling thing Vic said in his Twitter apology, but does anyone know what he specifically meant by that? Was he talking about seeking counsel from lawyers at the time? Or was it seeing a shrink to reflect on how his actions could lead to the world backstabbing him? Most see it like he was seeking it from the church for being promiscuous or whatever... But I don't know if it was established for sure.

Also in regards to the casting couch, I think it was confirmed it did exist at some point. I may be mixing things up though, as someone said that the situation had already been "handled". Handled how? Who got disciplined for that shit? Not Sabat... that's for sure.

It meant counseling over the depression he was having during that time

 

[Random Internet Person]

Just got a thought running through my head, people already mentioned how this mediation may partially be used to gauge the rationality and good faith of the parties... Can the Defendants actually present a deal that won't make them look like complete Douccetes that they would actually take?

I mean, what could they ask, "stop the lawsuit and pay our fees because you got no case, and in exchange we do absolutely nothing." That still makes them look like lunatics.

Funimation could honestly make a decent deal, claiming the others made knowingly false statements and claiming authority where there was none. In exchange of making a small monetary arrangement with Vic.

But the others can't make even an attempt at a reasonable deal without losing their entire narrative. Or can they? Is there any possible settlement they could present that doesn't fuck over their narrative one way or another?

In short, no. The only one who could save face is maybe Funimation, but that’d involve throwing the VAs under the bus.

No.

Every party is in until TCPA is finished. There is no reason other than a gun to the head that would be logical to make a deal right now.

After the TCPA Marchi and Funi have real possibilities of deals assuming both are still in the lawsuit. Monica and Toye have no real possibilities of a deal, since they have to walk back every statement as publicly as possible. The legal fees of Monica and Toye are most likely prohibitively expensive right now, but are offset on a promise. That promise being TCPA will pay for them.

In the end Vic would likely just allow every person sued to walk away if they publicly admitted they lied about him and he is innocent of every rumor. Only Funi and maybe Marchi are likely to take this deal.

Funimation maybe, but not Jamie. She’s truly thinking she’s free and she did the head and balls. Also, Sharon gave her a spotlight.

 

[2lolis1cup]

Funimation maybe, but not Jamie. She’s truly thinking she’s free and she did the head and balls. Also, Sharon gave her a spotlight.

She isn't "free' until appeals are over really. None of the defendants are free until an appeals court finds no merit in accusations.

 

[MadPanda]

She isn't "free' until appeals are over really. None of the defendants are free until an appeals court finds no merit in accusations.

We know that, but perception is a hell of a thing though. If she truly believes she is free, she will then not budge. She will more than likely act based on what she believes and not operate on reality.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

She isn't "free' until appeals are over really. None of the defendants are free until an appeals court finds no merit in accusations.

It's not even about finding merit in the accusations. At this stage, it's determining if the plaintiff actually has a case to bring forward

 

[2lolis1cup]

It's not even about finding merit in the accusations. At this stage, it's determining if the plaintiff actually has a case to bring forward

yes and then it goes to appeal if it gets dismissed. The appealing court then determines the merit of a prima facia case. If they find no merit THEN it is dismissed and ruled as having no merit, so it can't be brought back up before the court again.

I'm not saying this will happen or even is likely, but it is what is required for Marchi to be "free" of this lawsuit short of Vic not pursuing it.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

yes and then it goes to appeal if it gets dismissed. The appealing court then determines the merit of a prima facia case. If they find no merit THEN it is dismissed and ruled as having no merit, so it can't be brought back up before the court again.

I'm not saying this will happen or even is likely, but it is what is required for Marchi to be "free" of this lawsuit short of Vic not pursuing it.

We will have to see what all happens. At least on appeal there are more than one set of eyes on it. As Chupp said, this could go on for years. So, if I was any defendant in this I wouldn't be saying or doing anything incriminating that could be used further down the line.

Marchi should keep her mouth shut and just move along, and pray to whatever that she doesn't get brought back in. But, bitch doesn't learn.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Passing comments? I've seen like 10 arguments and they're all just from Nick.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

The mediation will go like this

Vic's counsel: we want attractions, public apologies and stop spreading lies to the conventions.

Moron and marchi counsel: TeLl ViC tO StOp HarRsSin Us aNd AdMit He'S a PreADatOr.

Vic's counsel: but Vic has spent this whole month telling his fans to spread positivity.

Funi's Council: sounds intriguing but nope.

Chupp: fuck. 5 more years of this weeb shit.

Medation will be nonstop bickering and I can only see Jamie or funi wanting to settle because with friends like them there will always be betrayal. Monica has invested too deep into this shit and if she settles her career is dead, her career is on a life support and her people will turn on her if she drags this on.

 

[jameshameson]

The mediation will go like this

Vic's counsel: we want attractions, public apologies and stop spreading lies to the conventions.

Moron and marchi counsel: TeLl ViC tO StOp HarRsSin Us aNd AdMit He'S a PreADatOr.

Vic's counsel: but Vic has spent this whole month telling his fans to spread positivity.

Funi's Council: sounds intriguing but nope.

Chupp: fuck. 5 more years of this weeb shit.

Medation will be nonstop bickering and I can only see Jamie or funi wanting to settle because with friends like them there will always be betrayal. Monica has invested too deep into this shit and if she settles her career is dead, her career is on a life support and her people will turn on her if she drags this on.

Jamie litreally said "friends ride together to the end"

But we'll have to see, I'll be stunned if jamie settles.

 

[Slimy Time]

Medation will be nonstop bickering and I can only see Jamie or funi wanting to settle because with friends like them there will always be betrayal. Monica has invested too deep into this shit and if she settles her career is dead, her career is on a life support and her people will turn on her if she drags this on.

Can see Jamie wanting to duck out of this ASAP, especially since Chupp dismissed her, then said "come anyways incase they appeal my shitty mistake and drag you back in". Funimation I can imagine may have no problem cutting Monica loose, she's only been the voice of Bulma since Kai. For Vic, unless it gets him public retractions, apologies, and repairs his name, I can't see it working out. This really feels as if it was hastily decided on because Chupp screwed the pooch and may end up getting btfo by the appellant court.

 

[LuNaS]

didn't people state multiple times that a lawsuit that doesn't get ruled by the judge here is NOT appealable? Like i remember that being said

That was me, but it was more along the lines of appeal being very hard because it defaulted to being denied among other factors, although apparently Marchi's ruling is valid, as the judge did clearly said she was out.

So him not ruling may only affect the charges he didn't specifically dismiss via TCPA.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Jamie litreally said "friends ride together to the end"

Ill be stunned if jamie settles

She ain't riding this wave when it starts affecting her con appearances and va work. She's not like vic who can do theater or music producing, other companies are probably not going to deal with this shit for a decade. Those 2 probably are planning or already blacklisted in most va companies but since they applied the scared ointment they have a permanent job at funi until funi cleans house.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Jamie litreally said "friends ride together to the end"

But we'll have to see, I'll be stunned if jamie settles.

Don’t forget that one picture from the hearing where she and Monica were touching heads and I think she captioned it something like “sisters” or some shit. And Nick said Jamie is ride or die with Monica and goes where she goes.