Debate Alt-Right Retards

[inexplicable ethos]

You massively underestimate the genetic diversity of the old world, in particular Africa but also isolated islands in the general Austronesian area. Granted a lot of this is based on what measures of genetic diversity you care about but it's a lot more complicated than you make it sound. What applies to an African American that is descended from people from the interior of West Africa does not necessarily apply to the aforementioned Nubians, and indeed depending on the measure chosen are not actually closer to each other than they are to you (who I presume are a white European).

In any case this is still being studied quite a lot and we're far from being able to just read someone's potential from their genome Gattaca style.

I agree this is something that does merit research and consideration, just saying it's often not going to line up the way various political movements want it too no matter how hard they try to use it that way, since so much of what we consider our " racial" identity is actually more cultural than biological. Try telling two warring tribes in the Sudan that they're actually very closely related and see how far it takes you. It'll be about as useful as telling an African American they have almost as much in common with the Queen of England as they do with the east Africans they're claiming kinship with.

I feel like we aren't quite talking about the same issue here. My point wasn't that all Africans are the same or even similar, it was specifically meant to demonstrate why the "classical" races are at least a moderately useful macro-level population division when discussing overall genetic differences. You can pick out any one gene or genetic marker which I share with some specific African population that they don't share with another African population, but in aggregate, those two tribes are more genetically close to each other than either is to me. Again, required specificity level depends entirely on what you are studying, and individuals always differ within populations. That doesn't mean the idea of having a small, easily digestible number of high level racial divisions is completely useless, just that it should be understood as a basic starting point and not a comprehensive breakdown of genetic differences.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I feel like we aren't quite talking about the same issue here. My point wasn't that all Africans are the same or even similar, it was specifically meant to demonstrate why the "classical" races are at least a moderately useful macro-level population division when discussing overall genetic differences. You can pick out any one gene or genetic marker which I share with some specific African population that they don't share with another African population, but in aggregate, those two tribes are more genetically close to each other than either is to me. Again, required specificity level depends entirely on what you are studying, and individuals always differ within populations. That doesn't mean the idea of having a small, easily digestible number of high level racial divisions is completely useless, just that it should be understood as a basic starting point and not a comprehensive breakdown of genetic differences.

That's cool.

I'm just saying that if you're running a business feel free to bring in the black guy for an interview if his resume is good. Only throw out the ones with names like Laquantrayvius without looking at them.

 

[TitanWest]

Obviously anti-white sentiment isn't good and going into the future we have to teach people a better way, which I believe we can, I'm not so cynical to believe that a rising number of "people of color" inherently means more anti-white sentiment, provided we can teach people better ways than the hypocritical, regressive SJW left that is yelling the loudest at the moment.

Group tensions are not a creation of the SJW's nor something you can teach away. They are an innate part of human nature. Civic Nationalists can no more teach people to not have ingroup preference than Communists can teach people not to be greedy. From churches to school cafeterias when people are given the freedom of association based on ethnicity the data shows us they they overwhelmingly choose to self-segregate. Even with forced diversity, demonizing ingroup preference, and making ethnic discrimination illegal this practice of self-segregation still continues. Even little children prefer caretakers of their own race. You can't "teach" human nature away. You can only find a way to express it in a manner that doesn't harm society. That's why our ancestors tended to separate different peoples. They weren't evil. They were rational.

From the 60's to the early 2000's the mainstream paid lip service to "Color doesn't matter". Most white people today who are centrists and on the right STILL say that. Nonwhites don't want your "teaching". Soon as anti-whiteness ramps up and the only thing CivNats have to offer is "Please don't be anti-white" white people will abandon that way of thinking too.

And yes, you're going to have people naturally coalesce into groups, but the way America used to work is you had each demographic groups, white, black, male, female etc but they all revolved around a shared mainstream culture that was made up of everyone, that balance of everyone having their own personal space and healthy boundaries between them, but still having a shared culture as a group, is the ideal equilibrium for a diverse society and America isn't even the first civilization to work that way.

America didn't work that way. America was 85-90% white throughout its history and was explicitly or implicitly a white ethnostate until Hart-Sellers and the Civil "Rights" movement made it so nonwhites are entitled to access white people.

Those multi-ethnic civilizations were Empires who suppressed group differences and bribed puppet leaders. Eventually the power structure fell apart and violence ensued.

Look at Ottomanism. During the late Ottoman Empire there were people like you who went to the Serbs, Greeks, and Arabs and said "We're all Ottomans!" Most Turks saw themselves as simply Ottomans. Calling them a Turk was an insult. It was essentially like calling someone a redneck today. But eventually the Turks learned that radically different peoples had no interest in being Ottomans. The Balkan Wars, the Arab Revolts, anti-Turk pogroms, and the Greek/Assyrian/Armenia genocides had to occur before people realized that multi-ethnic Civic Nationalism doesn't work. They then organized population transfers which solved most of the problems caused by multi-ethnic society.

Separate the easy way or the hard way. Those are our options. I prefer the easy and peaceful way. But unfortunately some people will have to learn the hard way. Hopefully they learn before things get too messy and we can figure out a Nationalist solution.

But what has happened is over the last 20 years, largely thanks to the internet, that shared mainstream culture has been cannablized and is shrinking more and more, people are coalescing into groups too much and each of the groups is being taken over by their own individual fringes, which tells them that their own group is the best and should be the big cheese of American society.

Those aren't the fringes. Most nonwhites support affirmative action and hate speech laws. White people (Except Jews) were the ones who supported post-racialism because they were demonized if they had a shred of white identity and because they were sheltered from the reality of what being a minority would look like. Boomers grew up in such prosperous times. Now the mask is coming off and the media is going haywire trying to shut down "radicalizers". But reality will "radicalize" white Americans sooner or later. Hopefully it happens before it's too late for whites to defend themselves (See: South Africa).

But let's be pragmatic, whether or not "race matters" is up for debate, but either way, you talk about Balkanization, do you have any idea how horrible that would be? You talk about not being able to put Genies back in the bottle, well the dial for American society can only be turned back so far without resulting in disaster not just for America but the world as a whole.

You have it backwards. Continuing to close our eyes is what will cause the disaster. We can separate peacefully or we can wait until it inevitably happens in a much messier manner.

The Alt Right seems to want to turn the clock back to the pre-60s civil rights era, I'd say it's a little too late for that, I hope we can at least dial the clock back 20 years, I fail to see what was so bad about things then and I think the alternative of trying to bring back the pre-60s civil rights era would be far worse for everyone.

Both the radical left and the radical right are playing with some seriously dangerous fire these days and it just doesn't seem rational to me, all anyone really wants at the end of the day is a little respect and America seemed to have learned and agreed on that already, so what went wrong?

We're not trying to turn the clock back to the pre-60's. Humans are simply acting they way they've always acted when "diversity" comes about. Diversity + Proximity = Conflict.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Why do you want to hire Laquantrayvius so bad @TitanWest ?

 

[Superman93]

jews had attempted a communist revolution in Germany and to assume control over the German populace, costing the Germans WWI and many German lives - jews were then recognised as a rootless, international other and earned the animus of central Europeans (and everywhere else they've ever been) for a reason

up until the war they were made to leave with their wealth intact, during the war the subversives were put into labour camps so they'd contribute to the war effort instead being left alone to forment dissent - still, 100s of thousands of German jews weren't recognised as subversives and instead served in the Wehrmacht in the spirit of patriotism

dirty ghetto jews and gypsies were made to wash themselves, were deloused and treated for typhus, were given medical care and do manual labour, that's the true horror of the "holocaust"

Africans migrated willingly and fought wars among themselves over getting access to the Dutch who had settled there

the apartheid solution was a blessing for the negroids and ultimately the undoing of the native Dutch, it's more than what Afrikaaners should have extended them if they had had any foresight

well, you would, because you promote weakness and the self-destruction of huwhites and for the interests of the other, because you've internalised what is the modern orthodoxy, which is that white people are illegitimate and should be opposed if they're not willing to cede control and go quietly into the sunset

nice, you get the dopamine of delegitimising huwhites *and*, by your estimation, being coherent in your framework when doing it

"so some people had a moralising ideology for their people, it's an outrage"

not to belittle the great uncle, but his writing is just a lot of common sense about uplifting your own mixed with what was known and is still true about eugenics and putting the best qualities of his people on a pedestal as a way of promoting those qualities vs a demoralising narrative ie white people bad, all the good you ever do is in service of another and even then it's not enough

This is the most insane shit I’ve read all day

 

[Gaylord Brachiosaurus]

This is the most insane shit I’ve read all day

Have you never heard of Rosa Luxemburg and the Spartacus league? Revolutionary jewish commies in Germany.

 

[Barnard]

I'm assuming he was talking about this:

Bavarian Soviet Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dom Cruise]

Group tensions are not a creation of the SJW's nor something you can teach away. They are an innate part of human nature. Civic Nationalists can no more teach people to not have ingroup preference than Communists can teach people not to be greedy. From churches to school cafeterias when people are given the freedom of association based on ethnicity the data shows us they they overwhelmingly choose to self-segregate. Even with forced diversity, demonizing ingroup preference, and making ethnic discrimination illegal this practice of self-segregation still continues. Even little children prefer caretakers of their own race. You can't "teach" human nature away. You can only find a way to express it in a manner that doesn't harm society. That's why our ancestors tended to separate different peoples. They weren't evil. They were rational.

From the 60's to the early 2000's the mainstream paid lip service to "Color doesn't matter". Most white people today who are centrists and on the right STILL say that. Nonwhites don't want your "teaching". Soon as anti-whiteness ramps up and the only thing CivNats have to offer is "Please don't be anti-white" white people will abandon that way of thinking too.



America didn't work that way. America was 85-90% white throughout its history and was explicitly or implicitly a white ethnostate until Hart-Sellers and the Civil "Rights" movement made it so nonwhites are entitled to access white people.

Those multi-ethnic civilizations were Empires who suppressed group differences and bribed puppet leaders. Eventually the power structure fell apart and violence ensued.

Look at Ottomanism. During the late Ottoman Empire there were people like you who went to the Serbs, Greeks, and Arabs and said "We're all Ottomans!" Most Turks saw themselves as simply Ottomans. Calling them a Turk was an insult. It was essentially like calling someone a redneck today. But eventually the Turks learned that radically different peoples had no interest in being Ottomans. The Balkan Wars, the Arab Revolts, anti-Turk pogroms, and the Greek/Assyrian/Armenia genocides had to occur before people realized that multi-ethnic Civic Nationalism doesn't work. They then organized population transfers which solved most of the problems caused by multi-ethnic society.

Separate the easy way or the hard way. Those are our options. I prefer the easy and peaceful way. But unfortunately some people will have to learn the hard way. Hopefully they learn before things get too messy and we can figure out a Nationalist solution.



Those aren't the fringes. Most nonwhites support affirmative action and hate speech laws. White people (Except Jews) were the ones who supported post-racialism because they were demonized if they had a shred of white identity and because they were sheltered from the reality of what being a minority would look like. Boomers grew up in such prosperous times. Now the mask is coming off and the media is going haywire trying to shut down "radicalizers". But reality will "radicalize" white Americans sooner or later. Hopefully it happens before it's too late for whites to defend themselves (See: South Africa).



You have it backwards. Continuing to close our eyes is what will cause the disaster. We can separate peacefully or we can wait until it inevitably happens in a much messier manner.



We're not trying to turn the clock back to the pre-60's. Humans are simply acting they way they've always acted when "diversity" comes about. Diversity + Proximity = Conflict.

Well, I'm not so cynical to believe that separation is inevitable, it worked for decades, if people could just learn to tune out the reactionaries, why couldn't it continue to work?

I hate to pull the "current year" card but it is the 21st century, mankind doesn't have to live the same way it's always lived forever, there can be an appropriate raising of consciousness just like we learned that washing our hands kills germs, we can learn good, new habits.

We've been going through some rough shit this decade because the internet has changed the game and given bad people voices they never had before and we've not yet learned how to handle that, but that doesn't mean we won't and have to throw our hands up on 50 years of progress.

Of course, maybe I'm just being optimistic.

 

[popnloch ness monster]

Have you never heard of Rosa Luxemburg and the Spartacus league? Revolutionary jewish commies in Germany.

I'm assuming he was talking about this:

Bavarian Soviet Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

both and all of it, I was being very simplistic to not confuse the narrative

rather than it being the fault of one simple event, it was that that event had broader implications about the internal situation of Germany and the natives' relations with a certain hostile revolutionary other - it was the culmination of a long period of jewish wartime sabotage and their struggle to assume control of the state

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Have you never heard of Rosa Luxemburg and the Spartacus league? Revolutionary jewish commies in Germany.

"it's not my fault I was a commie revolutionary, the Jew tricked me with her khazar milkers"

Why is the master race so stupid and easily led?

 

[popnloch ness monster]

Why is the master race so stupid and easily led?

your post is dumb and your point is nonsense, but there's a point to be made about your misuse of the word "master race" mockingly

the "master race", or Herrenvolk/Herrenrasse (Herren meaning gentlemen, a noble), was foremost a spiritual concept about being a master of one's own, an equal among equals, of having agency and autonomy and possessing the qualities to realise oneself and relate to your kin in those ways, and scientific only to the extent it loaned terminology from eugenicism to lend itself an air of scientism and contemporariness at the time

it was a romantic idea about ennoblement and potential inherent that came with the then complete breakdown of subject/master hierarchies that had dominated society

an illustrative story about the concept is the story of Egyptian weightlifter Khadr El-Touni at the 1936 summer olympic games in Berlin who dominated the men's weightlifting middleweight class - Adolf Hitler, so impressed by the guy's performance, personally rushed from the stands to congratulate the man on his triumph and famously told him: "Egypt should be proud of you. I wish you were German. I hope you consider Germany your second home"

later he named a street in Berlin after him

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

your post is dumb and your point is nonsense, but there's a point to be made about your misuse of the word "master race" mockingly

the "master race", or Herrenrasse (Herren meaning gentlemen, a noble), was foremost a spiritual concept about being a master of one's own, an equal among equals, of having agency and autonomy and possessing the qualities of realise oneself and relate to your kin in those ways, and scientific only to the extent it loaned terminology from eugenicism to lend itself an air of scientism and contemporariness at the time

it was a romantic idea about ennoblement and potential inherent that came with the then complete breakdown of subject/master hierarchies that had dominated society

*tips Pickelhaube*

Mein Herr

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

*tips Pickelhaube*

Mein Herr

The spike of that helmet can cause brain damage, that's why the Alt-Right is so autistic.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Well, I get why the fantasy of the Nazis is appealing, has anyone ever heard of a 1970s novel called The Iron Dream, by Norman Spinrad?

It's an alternate history story where after World War 1 Hitler immigrated to the United States and becomes a successful science fiction author, writing "The Lord of The Swastika" which becomes a massive hit, this world's equivalent of Lord of The Rings or Star Wars and it's about a brave Chosen One hero taking on an evil race.

There's also a very good John Cusack movie from 2002 called Max that's about a young Adolf Hitler as an art student in 1918, John Cusack plays the titular Max, a Jewish art dealer and WW1 veteran who meets the young Adolf Hitler and sees his artwork of futuristic cityscapes with eagle motifs, he believes he has talent and potential as an artist, but Hitler gives an angry anti-semitic speech at a beer hall that riles up a crowd that wind up beating Max to death as he's on his way to discuss Hitler's future projects, Hitler, believing he has been stood up, leaves the cafe that was to be their meeting place in anger.

The point is, Hitler was a nerd, like us, and knew how to craft an appealing narrative and power fantasy, but he was one nerd who took things too far and a narrative is just that, a narrative, human beings are too flawed creatures to be able to craft a narrative that sums up the totality of reality, wanting to say "Jews are responsible for all the problems in the world" or "a person's race creates immutable characteristics" isn't really any different than saying "white men are responsible for all the problems in the world" or "a person's race determines their privilege status in society" or something like that.

Be wary of anyone who's offering you a too easy narrative of good guys vs bad guys and an easily identifiable enemy who is causing all the trouble, regardless of if they're coming at it from a left wing or right wing angle.

 

[popnloch ness monster]

look at these two jewish alt-history fantasy works that work to reinforce the mainstream historical orthodoxy and elaborate on jewish psychoanalytical memes about "muh paintings", "hitler was gay", "hitler was insecure", "hitler had no chill" and "hitler had a small penus"

also, be wary of anyone who's offering you a too easy narrative of good guys vs bad guys

whoa, you're an actual wahmen?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

whoa, you're an actual wahmen?

Neither Spinrad or Cusack are Jewish, you twit. Cusack is an Irish Catholic known for being accused many times of antisemitism for opposing the Israeli government's policy towards Palestine. Come on, use that big Aryan brain for once.

 

[popnloch ness monster]

Neither Spinrad or Cusack are Jewish, you twit. Cusack is an Irish Catholic known for being accused many times of antisemitism for opposing the Israeli government's policy towards Palestine. Come on, use that big Aryan brain for once.

Spinrad is jewish

Cusack is the lead actor and is not jewish, neither is the writer/director of Max, Menno Meyjes, but the producer, Andras Hamori, is an Hungarian jew

 

[Dom Cruise]

I tell ya, sometimes I feel like fucking Yojimbo.

I go on some sites and get flak from SJWs, I go on here, I get in it with National Socialist types.

Playing both sides, I like that.

But I just have to trust my instincts and I just don't believe that people who aren't white are aliens, mutants or monsters, I feel bad for anyone who lacks the ability to empathize with another human being because they don't look like you.

Your lizard brain wants to tempt you into boiling everything down into "our tribe" versus "their tribe" because that's how we survived for so long, it's what we're accustomed to, but in the 21st century that sort of tribal thinking is a hindrance, humanity has too much power in it's hands now to not try to bridge the gaps between us.

Nazism, Communism, let's leave all that old bullshit in the 20th century where it belongs, it's fucking ridiculous that we're still fighting these battles that were already settled.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Spinrad is jewish

Cusack is the lead actor and is not jewish, neither is the writer/director of Max, Menno Meyjes, but the producer, Andras Hamori, is an Hungarian jew

A jew? In the film industry?!

 

[popnloch ness monster]

I tell ya, sometimes I feel like fucking Yojimbo.

I go on some sites and get flak from SJWs, I go on here, I get in it with National Socialist types.

Playing both sides, I like that.

yeah, that's called riding the fence while being high on Sargon's farts and it's a product of one's rootlessness while having all your creature comforts provided for, but in larger part a product of conformism, as it's the most prevalent, socially accepted, low energy mode of operating in today's society to get along without conflict (tangential, but women are the conformist, rejection averse sex and feel the pains of social rejection times more so than a man would - they're also the enforcers of conformity in society through social interaction and as the effective gatekeepers of sex, which is, for example, why they make for great tyrants in corporate middle management etc etc)

anyway, maybe if you were in tune with familial and communial feelings, you'd be able to extend those to your superfamily/-community (actual family, actual community, with a biological basis), and not be stuck in extremely online spaces regurgitating memes intended at large to unilaterally disarm European derived peoples and leave them helpless and degraded as a global minority with no spaces that are not under siege by the genetic interest of racial others (expansion and transformation of the environment to accord to their preferred mode of subsistence)

but I mean, who's white anyway, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

Nazism, Communism, let's leave all that old bullshit in the 20th century where it belongs, it's fucking ridiculous that we're still fighting these battles that were already settled.

you forgot Zionism

or maybe you didn't - as is the intended consequence of this narrative

your use of Nazism and Communism are strawmen and stand-ins for huwhite grievances people today have, it's a "collectivism for me but not for thee", but coated in a language to make its supposed adherents feel uncool, unwise, socially out of step and foolhardy, and ultimately it's a form of gaslighting, like an abuser would - "your feelings and instincts are invalid, especially since it's the current year? you don't want to be like the last century Nazis, do you? they lost a war, you know, and Hitler had no chill and was missing a testicle - if only there'd been a jew to give him a vibe check like in that movie"

A jew? In the film industry?!

exactly

I don't know why he'd even go there, it's not like I wouldn't be able to wiz out a jewish connection if there wasn't an obvious one, there isn't a movie in the industry that doesn't need to be approved by a jew