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I'm not really an HP fan, but I do think he was a character with a silly but still at points interesting character arc. Probably the closest I'll ever come to defending Harry Potter, but I do think that goes a bit too far.😐

JK has said she wrote Potter to not have much in the way of actually distinguishing character traits so the reader could project themselves onto the character

and thats been her consistent take on Harry
 
To be entirely fair to you, I don't think that's much of a derail when we compare things to Rey: the power levels just keep climbing higher and higher and higher, and the stakes go from fighting a superweapon to a ragtag group saving the Galaxy to stopping fucking time travel Palpatine from killing everyone across time and space... and yet nothing's changed. The enemies are not a threat as the 'heroes' rapidly outpace them.

Well when you put it that way...yeah...man I hate Disney Star Wars.

I don't know, I just never got the hate for Korra or the show. Disappointment definitely, but hate? Seems a bit much. I still got some enjoyment out of the show and character (sometimes and mainly in the beginning)....but Rey. Dear god, screw her. Rey and Disney's Star Wars is so bad, that it's not even enjoyable to laugh at.
 
Well when you put it that way...yeah...man I hate Disney Star Wars.

I don't know, I just never got the hate for Korra or the show. Disappointment definitely, but hate? Seems a bit much. I still got some enjoyment out of the show and character (sometimes and mainly in the beginning)....but Rey. Dear god, screw her. Rey and Disney's Star Wars is so bad, that it's not even enjoyable to laugh at.
The show (ATLA) was basically the brain child of 3 creators
Only 2 showed up for Korra and they wanted to put in all the ideas that he vetoed in the writers room into the DNA of Korra

He made Last Dragon prince (I think on Netflix) and you look at his writing and the writing on Korra you can see how the Product was greater then the sum of its parts
 
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But I can get behind it being just ok
it was a magical world full of cool shit until you start thinking about it and why wizards are so pants on head retarded that they can't get the american department of magic or whatever to help with the war against a wizard who apparently took over great britain by force

also umbridge apparently thought it was a good idea to repeatedly torture THE BOY WHO LIVED for... reasons? granted she did end up getting gang raped by centaurs sooooooo

to conclude my off topic sperging about a shitty children's book series that just won't end has the mouse considered merging the star wars and harry potter universes
 
it was a magical world full of cool shit until you start thinking about it and why wizards are so pants on head exceptional that they can't get the american department of magic or whatever to help with the war against a wizard who apparently took over great britain by force
Also they didnt use toilents (the first example of which existed in 7000 bce) until the 19th century
 
it was a magical world full of cool shit until you start thinking about it and why wizards are so pants on head exceptional that they can't get the american department of magic or whatever to help with the war against a wizard who apparently took over great britain by force

also umbridge apparently thought it was a good idea to repeatedly torture THE BOY WHO LIVED for... reasons? granted she did end up getting gang raped by centaurs sooooooo

to conclude my off topic sperging about a shitty children's book series that just won't end has the mouse considered merging the star wars and harry potter universes
Yeah the worldbuilding of harry potter was falling apart under cursory questions loooong before Rowling took to twitter to reveal in explicit detail how wizards just shat themselves in public indian style and teleported the turds away without even wiping before muggle borns forced them to adopt the toilet.

Also IIRC she repeatedly said shit about how some nigga with a shotgun would be easily able to take out the average wizard which just turns the whole thing into a fucking farce when you consider this means that Voldemort and the Death Eaters could conceivably have lost in an open battle to Sam Hyde
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EDIT: Lol like two people beat me to mentioning the designated shitting spells thing
 
Yeah the worldbuilding of harry potter was falling apart under cursory questions loooong before Rowling took to twitter to reveal in explicit detail how wizards just shat themselves in public indian style and teleported the turds away without even wiping before muggle borns forced them to adopt the toilet.

Also IIRC she repeatedly said shit about how some nigga with a shotgun would be easily able to take out the average wizard which just turns the whole thing into a fucking farce when you consider this means that Voldemort and the Death Eaters could conceivably have lost in an open battle to Sam Hyde
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super wizard sam hyde, after reaching the age of 30 and still haven't had sex wtih a woman (female), obtains his wand and just attaches it to his ak, says "time to visit the american department of magic"

But thats a profoundly dumb idea
let the muggles deal with it
 
Yeah the worldbuilding of harry potter was falling apart under cursory questions loooong before Rowling took to twitter to reveal in explicit detail how wizards just shat themselves in public indian style and teleported the turds away without even wiping before muggle borns forced them to adopt the toilet.

Also IIRC she repeatedly said shit about how some nigga with a shotgun would be easily able to take out the average wizard which just turns the whole thing into a fucking farce when you consider this means that Voldemort and the Death Eaters could conceivably have lost in an open battle to Sam Hyde
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EDIT: Lol like two people beat me to mentioning the designated shitting spells thing

I forgot the shotgun thing (and so did she in FB-2))
 
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Yeah, I never really got the interest in Harry Potter. I read the first book(after being nagged)and thought it was 'whatever'. Third grade, scholastic-R.l steinesque disposable fantasy.

A children's fantasy book written by a woman for ,predominantly, young girls. Totally inoffensive, but not very interesting imo..

It became more bizzare when people were telling me how 'dark and mature' the series became. These were grown adults saying this crap.

I think, in jest, (once)I asked if it was like, "Blood Meridian". All, I got was confusion.

Harry Potter craze may be the pivot that threw us into 'cultural infantilizing'....
 
Joseph Campbell was a cisheterowhite Christian male. Checkmate, hater.

I almost want to see that rumored but shotdown Princess Bride remake now, rewritten through the goggles of 2019 wokedom. I'm starting to think what we need is a collective dark night[ s ] of the soul, to purge this shit from our collective system.



I'm not really an HP fan, but I do think he was a character with a silly but still at points interesting character arc. Probably the closest I'll ever come to defending Harry Potter, but I do think that goes a bit too far.😐

Hell, people seem to forget the very first thing we learn about Katniss Everdeen in the Hunger Games book is that she's trying to figure out the easiest way to kill her sister's cat. (Can't remember whether that bit is in the movies, though I suspect it wasn't.) I'm not sure this would fly in 2019, and this from a book published in 2008.
Oh jesus christ I thought I had expunged the Hunger Games from memory, but it's all rushing back now like a tsunami of shit. I fucking hated those books, just like Ender's Game. Back then, I didn't have the knowledge of the terms that I do now, and couldn't properly express my anger towards those works, but I can go now.
Katniss is another empty husk of a character who experiences no personal growth. She is never personally wrong and yet somehow her extremely bland and shallow personality is enough to get some poorly defined post America's east coast(?) to rise up in rebellion against the rich. The world made no sense: how did things get to where they were? What's the tech level like? We have flying drone things and supersonic trains but yet our Mary Sue of the day hunts with a fucking bow and arrows. Her greatest threat is picking between two pretty boys she has to save and she never has any agency in the plot.

Ender's Game was a fuckload about a dumbass Gary Stu in space, who's a fucking super prodigy and shit, yet his 'amazing' tactics are basic as Hell, and all of his wit was something that I could easily have matched at his age. But he's a 'badass' who... killed a fly while on earth and knocked a bully into a sharp object once. He also saves a totally genocidal alien swarm because 'they were just misunderstood'. His primary emotional response to things is bawling like a bitch, yet everyone applauds his bravery. His Sue siblings also managed to spread a pseudo-fascist political thought across a heavily censored(?) post internet and became world famous, with Ender's older brother becoming the literal King of the world with unlimited power: and he doesn't even abuse it!

I'm fucking thankful I never read Twilight otherwise I think I'd totally derail this, but the seeds of Rey Sue were there for a decade or more.
 
Yeah, I never really got the interest in Harry Potter. I read the first book(after being nagged)and thought it was 'whatever'. Third grade, scholastic-R.l steinesque disposable fantasy.

A children's fantasy book written by a woman for ,predominantly, young girls. Totally inoffensive, but not very interesting imo..

It became more bizzare when people were telling me how 'dark and mature' the series became. These were grown adults saying this crap.

I think, in jest, (once)I asked if it was like, "Blood Meridian". All, I got was confusion.

Harry Potter craze may be the pivot that threw us into 'cultural infantilizing'....
Honestly I think Harry Potter was the freakshow hybrid of a vaguely readable collection of stock British childrens book cliches and a massive media campaign by her publishers, aided by rowlings various journalist and writer friends which snowballed into it becoming a "phenomena" in a similar manner to various musical fads which blow up overnight, spread all accross the planet, and then swiftly die and get replaced by the latest craze.
 
Honestly I think Harry Potter was the freakshow hybrid of a vaguely readable collection of stock British childrens book cliches and a massive media campaign by her publishers, aided by rowlings various journalist and writer friends which snowballed into it becoming a "phenomena" in a similar manner to various musical fads which blow up overnight, spread all accross the planet, and then swiftly die and get replaced by the latest craze.

I mean from technical point: Rowlings is a good writer(from what I remembered). She has a good command of language, good pacing, accessible... etc etc.

I just don't find the world interesting, nor the characters. I viewed Harry Potter as being, "Star Wars for girls." Monomyth 'hero's journey' through female aesthetics. Totally fine, just not my thing....

I'm not angry it exists, just baffled as to the level of obsession or investment(especially from adults)...

Yes, I'm self aware, you could say the same about Star Wars(I would agree)...
 
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Edit: Korra had it's moments, but it also started a trend of badly written "strong female characters" I'm not a fan off.
Mary sue comes from a 70's Star Trek fan-fiction so it's been around for a long time, Korra has likely just stuck in your brain more than others.

As people are talking about Mary Sue/Gary Stu's this section from E;R is correct. Gary Stu's are tolerated more as they generally have a goal to accomplish, even if that goal is as simple as: kill the bad guy.
Get ready to be told how we're all just a bunch of Incel, Alt Right, Russian bots for disliking this absolute garbage transformative and stunning work of true art.
I like how we are all just meant to pretend that Incel is a new insult, it's just a re-branding of Nerd/Geek as Hollywood turned those terms into pop-culture and profits.

Clownish posted a very short video on instagram that shows their walmarts section of toys on 'force friday'. Here's a screenshot from the end, empty space is meant for lightsabers and there is a small amount of SW: Rebels toys on a bottom shelf.
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I mean from technical point: Rowlings is a good writer(from what I remembered). She has a good command of language, good pacing, accessible... etc etc.

I just don't find the world interesting, nor the characters. I viewed Harry Potter as being, "Star Wars for girls." Monomyth 'hero's journey' through female aesthetics. Totally fine, just not my thing....

I'm not angry it exists, just baffled as to the level of obsession or investment(especially from adults)...

Yes, I'm self aware, you could say the same about Star Wars(I would agree)...
I agree, actually. As much as people liked to dunk on Harry Potter, Rowlings was a technically competent writer. The first book was the epitome of a well-written self-contained YA wizard fantasy.

However, her writing quality suffered immensely as the word count ballooned, as did the world-building. Some things were best left unexplained and HP (and tangentially to this topic, Star Wars) had many of those things.
 
Sad news fellas

Diahann Carroll, best known as the waifu/cyberfleshlight Chewbacca's senile father, passed away today

Let us think back to that beautiful epoch...that happy and innocent age when people were naive enough to think *this* was the worst thing to ever happen to star wars...
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Good night sweet cyber-th0t. May sprays of wookie jizz lull you to your sleep...
 
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I agree, actually. As much as people liked to dunk on Harry Potter, Rowlings was a technically competent writer. The first book was the epitome of a well-written self-contained YA wizard fantasy.

However, her writing quality suffered immensely as the word count ballooned, as did the world-building. Some things were best left unexplained and HP (and tangentially to this topic, Star Wars) had many of those things.

I'll even defend the later HP books as the payoff to the setup. Yes, they were silly and had some obvious plot holes (along the lines of Buffy the Vampire Slayer's "why don't any of the vampires carry guns?") but they were fine for what they were. Honestly, if Rowling wasn't 1) shamelessly milking the property long past it's expiration date and 2) a rabidly exceptional individual on Twitter, nobody would care about some long books about a teenage wizard.

Hell, even in her verbosity she was a better a writer than GRRM. At least she finished the goddamn things.
 
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