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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

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  • Hunchback 2

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  • A slow death

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Well Kiwis I have no idea what you're talking about regarding how quiet it's supposed to have been, because the park was absolutely mobbed. Millennium Falcon Smuggler's Run actually had an unfinished backstage area open as a line extension because there were so many people (although the line moved well enough). The Matterhorn had a wait time of almost an hour and a half, when I've known previously to practically be a walk-on on a busy day with both Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and Space Mountain closed. I'm utterly exhausted so I'll do a more detailed report on another day when I'm not too busy doing other vacation shit.
>the park was absolutely mobbed
Are you sure you're not one of those "Wine Moms" that ClownfishTV described? Also, pictures or it didn't happen.
 
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They shoehorned a black guy in Frozen 2.

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Well Kiwis I have no idea what you're talking about regarding how quiet it's supposed to have been, because the park was absolutely mobbed. Millennium Falcon Smuggler's Run actually had an unfinished backstage area open as a line extension because there were so many people (although the line moved well enough). The Matterhorn had a wait time of almost an hour and a half, when I've known previously to practically be a walk-on on a busy day with both Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and Space Mountain closed. I'm utterly exhausted so I'll do a more detailed report on another day when I'm not too busy doing other vacation shit.

Disney has been advertising the absolute fuck out of GE lately so maybe that has something to do with it. Matterhorn has been a nightmare ever since the mountain rockwork fell off and they shut down half the ride, so it's been operating at 50% rider turnaround for months. Space Mountain being closed doesn't surprise me since that ride it ALWAYS breaking down for some reason or another, but Big Thunder is generally pretty reliable (disregarding the fatal accident some years back) so I'm surprised that one was shut down, too.
 
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Me and my friend jokingly said that maybe he's the son of a slave and some prominent military man, kind of like Dido Belle or someone similar. It would at least explain why there's a black man in 1840s Norway who's as high-ranking as he is.
Eh, I'm willing to cut some slack for outliers.

Shit, we have historical documentation on a black man in Japan in the 16th century, after all.
 
Eh, I'm willing to cut some slack for outliers.

Shit, we have historical documentation on a black man in Japan in the 16th century, after all.
Honestly, same. It's not unthinkable that there's at least one black guy in Arendelle- minorities did exist in Europe in the 1800s, albeit at a much smaller rate than nowadays.

Me and my friend were just having fun theorizing as to how he got his rank, since it would have been hard as hell for a black man to rise up the ranks in that time period.
 
>the park was absolutely mobbed
Are you sure you're not one of those "Wine Moms" that ClownfishTV described? Also, pictures or it didn't happen.
No I wanted to ride the rides (the big ones), there was just a ton of people everywhere in contrast to other's descriptions of a near-empty park. And the pictures will come after I get home Saturday, but I couldn't take too many because my group complained almost every time I wanted to stop and take a picture of something.

Space Mountain being closed doesn't surprise me since that ride it ALWAYS breaking down for some reason or another, but Big Thunder is generally pretty reliable (disregarding the fatal accident some years back) so I'm surprised that one was shut down, too.
This was just a few days after the fatal accident so that was why Big Thunder Railroad was closed: to determine how, exactly, it happened and how to prevent it from happening again. And Space Mountain was closed for refurbishment in preparation for the 50th anniversary. Either way the timing 15 years ago was just bad luck.
 
Me and my friend were just having fun theorizing as to how he got his rank, since it would have been hard as hell for a black man to rise up the ranks in that time period.
from Wikipedia:
[Alexandre Dumas père's] father, General Thomas-Alexandre Dumas Davy de la Pailleterie, was born in the French colony of Saint-Domingue (present-day Haiti) to Alexandre Antoine Davy de la Pailleterie, a French nobleman, and Marie-Cessette Dumas, a black slave. At age 14 Thomas-Alexandre was taken by his father to France, where he was educated in a military academy and entered the military for what became an illustrious career.
 
from Wikipedia:
[Alexandre Dumas père's] father, General Thomas-Alexandre Dumas Davy de la Pailleterie, was born in the French colony of Saint-Domingue (present-day Haiti) to Alexandre Antoine Davy de la Pailleterie, a French nobleman, and Marie-Cessette Dumas, a black slave. At age 14 Thomas-Alexandre was taken by his father to France, where he was educated in a military academy and entered the military for what became an illustrious career.
Damn, that's pretty much exactly what we were thinking. Also, did not know Alexandre Dumas was mixed race. You learn something new every day.
 
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There are people growing up right now that think every nation that has ever existed (except Wakanda) had the demographic makeup of the modern US.
B-But Dr. Who told me history is a whitewash.
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Honestly, same. It's not unthinkable that there's at least one black guy in Arendelle- minorities did exist in Europe in the 1800s, albeit at a much smaller rate than nowadays.

Me and my friend were just having fun theorizing as to how he got his rank, since it would have been hard as hell for a black man to rise up the ranks in that time period.
Pretty much what I assumed, but after Beauty and the Beast I really don't expect them to try and remain consistent in any sense. So you probably put more thought into this character's development than Disney did.
 
Jesus if anything would've been a Middle Eastern Jew, no? No blackness there either. History is getting too blackwashed as well!

Why is it always black people? It's never any other race but black. Black people in XIX century Norway, black Ariel, black Mary Jane...I mean if you wanna go the "ACKSUALY..." route surely Indians or Asians would work better for XIX century England?
 
Jesus if anything would've been a Middle Eastern Jew, no? No blackness there either. History is getting too blackwashed as well!

Why is it always black people? It's never any other race but black. Black people in XIX century Norway, black Ariel, black Mary Jane...I mean if you wanna go the "ACKSUALY..." route surely Indians or Asians would work better for XIX century England?

Jesus wouldn't have been black, but he wouldn't have been the white guy you usually see in American religious art either.
 
Jesus if anything would've been a Middle Eastern Jew, no? No blackness there either. History is getting too blackwashed as well!

Why is it always black people? It's never any other race but black. Black people in XIX century Norway, black Ariel, black Mary Jane...I mean if you wanna go the "ACKSUALY..." route surely Indians or Asians would work better for XIX century England?

Because something something representation something something role models for children and man/women children something something right side of history something something shut up you racist bigot

Personally to it just the same song and dance and journalist will use this bait people to say something bad about it. it doesn't help it form a company who I already to care less and less over time. It hard for me to even be concerned about it .
 
Well Kiwis I have no idea what you're talking about regarding how quiet it's supposed to have been, because the park was absolutely mobbed. Millennium Falcon Smuggler's Run actually had an unfinished backstage area open as a line extension because there were so many people (although the line moved well enough). The Matterhorn had a wait time of almost an hour and a half, when I've known previously to practically be a walk-on on a busy day with both Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and Space Mountain closed. I'm utterly exhausted so I'll do a more detailed report on another day when I'm not too busy doing other vacation shit.
Seems like the fall/winter vacation holiday season is starting now, which has been trending towards being more and more crowded earlier in the year. However, the expectation was that the park would be mobbed all summer because Galaxy's Edge was assumed to be a smash hit. Hell, that's why Disney made so many QOL improvements by widening walkways and removing planters to accomodate the expected huge crowds that'd come to see Star Wars. People probably did hold off until going now, yes, but GE didn't get good word of mouth if even people on the subreddit criticize it.

Also I'm gonna bet the black character is going to be a shield against the woke critics when they complain that Elsa isn't a lesbian (which they weren't gonna do with her at all anyway, woke is only ok when it doesn't step on their chances of making money internationally)
 
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Hell didn't they not only want her to be a lesbian, but an incestuous one? That won't fly even in the wokest of markets.

Eh, I'm willing to cut some slack for outliers.

Shit, we have historical documentation on a black man in Japan in the 16th century, after all.
Honestly, same. It's not unthinkable that there's at least one black guy in Arendelle- minorities did exist in Europe in the 1800s, albeit at a much smaller rate than nowadays.

Me and my friend were just having fun theorizing as to how he got his rank, since it would have been hard as hell for a black man to rise up the ranks in that time period.
The problem is that if these circumstances are remarked upon as being as exceptional as they really should be, it takes attention from the main plot and almost suggests that really there's the story of a much more interesting movie that's just being brushed under the rug.

Jesus wouldn't have been black, but he wouldn't have been the white guy you usually see in American religious art either.
He wouldn't be a blonde blue eyed Swede but he wouldn't necessarily be that dark either. Or he could be fairly dark (but not African featured). Levantines can and probably did vary a lot. Crossroad of a lot of trade routes getting tossed between different empires and all.

In any case I don't have a problem with depictions of semi-legendary figures being altered to fit the local culture. I can find art of Alexander the Great that makes him look Chinese. It's all a matter of context. If the film is trying to be very historically accurate, it's bad because it destroys verisimilitude. If the movie is meant to take place in a fantastic world...well, that can work. But it has to make sense. If by sheer coincidence every single backwater podunk village has the makeup of modern NYC it takes me right out of the work.
 
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from Wikipedia:
[Alexandre Dumas père's] father, General Thomas-Alexandre Dumas Davy de la Pailleterie, was born in the French colony of Saint-Domingue (present-day Haiti) to Alexandre Antoine Davy de la Pailleterie, a French nobleman, and Marie-Cessette Dumas, a black slave. At age 14 Thomas-Alexandre was taken by his father to France, where he was educated in a military academy and entered the military for what became an illustrious career.

Abram Petrovich Gannibal is actually the best example, and several of the current members of British nobility are related to him. I swear this actually happened in a Scandinavian country too with a Moor rising through the ranks of the military and then marrying into the nobility, but I can't remember what his name was. If I'm correct, the Frozen II character is likely based on him.
 
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