Should we be concerned that the Kiwi Farms Gag Order / Secret Court Order Canary has been Triggered?

Gustav Schuchardt said:
The NSA could just tell the FBI to send them a National Security Letter demanding they keep the data and not tell anyone. Or install NSA supplied boxes of tricks on the same network as their servers so it could log all the connections.

If you look at what happened to Lavabit the NSL told the operator to handover his SSL keys, presumably so that an NSA server could do a Man In The Middle. They had to do that because he'd designed his service to make it hard for law enforcement to subpoena information. We know about that because the dude was brave/stubborn enough to shut down his whole business rather than comply. Now if it were your business would you do that or just suck it up, comply and continue to make money? How many percent of people are going to go down fighting the man and end up penniless rather than suck it up and continue to operate?

VPNs have their uses but they don't protect you from the NSA. Or from any of the Five Eyes intelligence agencies who can request the NSA help them out.
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That's why I recommend Tor in cases like this, when you don't care where the traffic is coming from.

I know that Tor is absolutely glowing, but theoretically, it should still be harder to crack then a VPN.
 
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X Prime said:
@Gustav Schuchardt, can't you just use a VPN not hosted in a Five Eyes country?
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I do, but I'm not 100% convinced that that will protect me if the Powers That Be really wanted to get me. Luckily for me, they probably don't care enough about my shitpostings to go to the trouble.

Vecr said:
That's why I recommend Tor in cases like this, when you don't care where the traffic is coming from.

I know that Tor is absolutely glowing, but theoretically, it should still be harder to crack then a VPN.
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I predict before this is all over we'll all be browsing Kiwi Farms as a Tor hidden service using Brave Browser and making crypto donations to it.

Incidentally, I checked http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedzyqd.onion/ from here using a Brave "Incognito with Tor" tab and it's up. So I guess it's time to migrate to that.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if with the rise of regular people using VPNs, they're making increasing amounts of probing attempts to see how much white noise it's causing, or how many people are actually doing something they perceive as worth 'hiding', how many are using tor on top of that, etc. A forum database like KF could be one of the most useful targets for this. People in five eyes countries outside of the US should be the most concerned, as their countries have shittier laws.
 
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SoapQueen1 said:
I have no idea what you're posting or why because you're posting Tor links for no reason. Just to show it wasn't present at X time?
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Yeah, I'll stop with the Tor links.

The normal links are quite unreliable for me, but I'm not sure why that is.

I'm archiving this thread, because, even though I think Null is a mostly good person, I don't trust him not to mess with the thread.
 
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Oh man, I can't wait to be arrested for criticizing some asshats and ridiculing mass shooters. Truly, we're a cesspool of hate and a threat to democracy.

Gustav Schuchardt said:
I do, but I'm not 100% convinced that that will protect me if the Powers That Be really wanted to get me. Luckily for me, they probably don't care enough about my shitpostings to go to the trouble.
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All VPNs do is hide your IP, and that's only if they're not compromised. There are other ways to track you online like cookies or fingerprinting, and with enough javascript even the way you move your mouse can be used to identify you. People behind Tor get caught because of the most retarded stuff like clicking a tracking link or asking for techical help and giving away too much info.
 
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Eigengrau said:
Oh man, I can't wait to be arrested for criticizing some asshats and ridiculing mass shooters. Truly, we're a cesspool of hate and a threat to democracy.


All VPNs do is hide your IP, and that's only if they're not compromised. There are other ways to track you online like cookies or fingerprinting, and with enough javascript even the way you move your mouse can be used to identify you. People behind Tor get caught because of the most exceptional stuff like clicking a tracking link or asking for techical help and giving away too much info.
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Operation Pacifier had the FBI go after a child porn TOR site by compromising the site and uploading a flash file embed, which due to an "accidental" bug in the flash plugin for the official Tor browser bundle, had Flash dialing home outside of TOR.

(Yes, this means that the US Government officially ran a Child Porn distribution service for around 2-3 weeks. They could not remove any content or it would let people know. They could not stop uploads or it would let people know. Instead, each page delivered a flash file that was dialing home the user, their real IP, and what they were doing on the site.)

That whole thing was particularly fucked up, because they got a Magistrate Traffic Court Judge to approve the warrant despite a bunch of district court judges being in the same office building because the warrant was literally "Please let us hack an unlimited number of people in an unlimited number of jurisdictions for an unlimited amount of time," which is a blatant 4th Amendment violation and the District Court judges would have told them to fuck off.

When judges started tossing the cases because of it, the FBI had the supreme court change the rules (via Rule 41) to state that if you use the internet, the fourth amendment doesn't apply to you, because won't someone think of the children and you having privacy rights makes the FBI's jobs hard. Among the other pants on head insane things this chase changed is the FBI can literally just fine some part time traffic court judge to get them to approve a wiretapping warrant for anyone, anywhere, anytime, jurisdiction be damned, because again, the constitution just makes their jobs too hard.

Wanna spy on someone in California? Find some redneck judge in Alabama who wants to stick it to the commies. Wanna spy on someone in Alabama? Ask an friendly traffic judge in New York City to let you spy on the "evil alt-right militias."

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Edit: You should all be watching the Kiwi Farms website source for any new additions very, very fucking close.
 
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