Manwithn0n0men
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they can sell that to disney fans in the states in enough #s will watch that garbage
Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off
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Surely even Frozen is questionable. Not counting Pixar stuff, I’m pretty sure this is their first serious animated sequel.
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As a kid, I wanted Maleficent and Mumm-Ra to join forces and kill The Thundercats. It was one of my big crossover desires at age 4.
This new Maleficent? No thanks.
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Honestly, even ANH has themes that would be considered "woke" if released today based around the political climate even though they aren't, just preachy, but the morality and politics are so in the background and completely not-in-your-face about it that it goes over your head. It has nazis, stormtroopers, fascism bad, xenophobia bad, genocide bad, etc but its not there to remind you of morality or bash a preachy message over your head like they're doing today, its there to add more to the plot and raise the stakes while giving the characters a reason to fight for since the story is about the adventure, not the moral. The moral messaging is more like sprinkles on ice cream, its there in small amounts and its only there as a topping rather than as the ice cream itself, so you can even just ignore the sprinkles if you want to. And its morals weren't there because "Drumpf bad, muh soggy knees, muh oppression, the internet told me the world is bad" or some junk like that, these films and stories were made by people who saw shit like the Vietnam War, WWII or nation-wide depressions first hand, real tragedies and hard times or some never even enjoying the benefits of electricity until they were older and living as simple farm boys themselves. It came from a real place of personal experience and military enthusiasm inside them that both admired the action and technological aspects of war as well as realizing the tragedies that surrounded it. Now though its all being written by a bunch of fagamuffins who've never stepped out of their silicon valley bubble domes and just want to preach morality for the sake of preaching rather than being motivated by a personal vision or a desire to create and build. Even the Thrawn Trilogy is similar in that regard since a semi-recurring theme was racism/xenophobia that Thrawn experienced and often dismissed as idiocy, but it wasn't there as a moral messaging, it was there as a motivator, something to give Thrawn the motivation to prove himself to his peers not just for some personal feeling of being oppressed like some thin-skinned wuss, but a desire to see the glory of the Empire restored which could only happen under a competent leader willing to look past differences to make sure shit gets done while putting fear into the hearts of their enemies.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE DISNEY-LUCASFILM, WHY ARE YOU SO RE-TARDED? One of the biggest corporations in the world is now being run by idiots with the mindset of spoiled San Franciso college sorority socialists.
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Because LIl Mermaid is not for China, that's for Disney keeping the trademark, licensing, and all that shit relevant and trying to sell toys to black kids.
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@GeneralFriendliness take a breather and count to 10
Its wokeness that doesn't serve the Theme, Tone, Plot, Characters, or any other element of the story.
What your describing is Wokeness that served theme, tone, characters, and plot
thats explicitly why it wasnt in the forground
Its wokeness that doesn't serve the Theme, Tone, Plot, Characters, or any other element of the story.
What your describing is Wokeness that served theme, tone, characters, and plot
thats explicitly why it wasnt in the forground
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Yeah, which is why I was agreeing with you. The moral serves the plot. The plot doesn't serve it. The moral is the sprinkles rather than the ice cream, rather than the other way around like in the ST where its just a bowl full of bitter sprinkles with only a few drops of ice cream on top. Doesn't matter if the moral of the story is left, right, centrist, commie or whatever, they just gotta remember that the morals take a backseat to the plot. They live to serve the plot, without the plot they are nothing but tasteless toppings.
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Yesterday it was making headlines that the movie sold more tickets on Atom than endgame in the first hour, and was second best selling movie ever during the first 24 hours of presales on Atom.
The thing is Atom is small service, AMC and Fandango are quite larger. So if the presales were anything noteworthy, they would share the data ( second biggest day one presales, third , fourth). But AMC and Fandango are not sharing any data .And they didn't forget they've shared presale data for every Star Wars movie and the bigger marvel movies..
That must mean the presales aren't anything noteworthy. However it's possible for the data to be shared later in the day and I typed all this for nothing.
The thing is Atom is small service, AMC and Fandango are quite larger. So if the presales were anything noteworthy, they would share the data ( second biggest day one presales, third , fourth). But AMC and Fandango are not sharing any data .And they didn't forget they've shared presale data for every Star Wars movie and the bigger marvel movies..
That must mean the presales aren't anything noteworthy. However it's possible for the data to be shared later in the day and I typed all this for nothing.
Manwithn0n0men
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I was focusing on the important part of what you said
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When they announced Solo "broke records in ticket sales", what service was that on? Atom too or a larger service? Because if it was Atom too, I can already see where this is going.
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Atom Tickets is a company based in Santa Monica, California that sells movie tickets and services through its app and website.
History[edit]
Established in 2014, Atom Tickets’ Series A funding was led by Lionsgate.[4] It was started by four partners, Matthew Bakal (currently co-founder and chairman), Ameesh Paleja (co-founder), Geoff Shaevitz (co-founder) and Adam King (co-founder).[5] Paleja says that the idea for Atom Tickets came about because he and his friends, "were frustrated with the experience of coordinating a night out at the movies with friends. Between planning the group and picking the movie, the theater, and the show time, plans often fall apart."[6] On February 1, 2016 they announced a completed Series B round of financing from investors that include The Walt Disney Company, 20th Century Fox and Lionsgate.[4] On May 21, 2018, Dwayne Johnson and Dany Garcia joined as investors and advisers.[7]
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The data about Solo having double day one presales than Black Panther came from Fandango. Star Wars was always frontloaded on presales on all apps, but even with that Atom is probably an outlier , because it's a small service that has grown a lot since endgame and it has some exclusive deal on Episode IX presale.
Fandango not saying anything means it didn't do anything special on day one presales on their app, it's just not a good sign for the movie so far.
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Remember Thrackan Han's evil cousin who was essentially leader of a neo nazi movement on Corellia and somehow became president of Corellia after inciting an armed revolt against The New Republic, crippling the Hapes Navy via friendly fire, and selling out to the Vong? if he showed up in Disney canon I bet it would be under the name Blod N SoloThe Wyte part is something I made as a joke which I've stated before, but his last name really is Pryde and the FO flagship really is called the Supremacy.
Enric Pryde
Enric Pryde was a human male officer who served as an Allegiant General in the Final Order—a new Sith Empire formed in 35 ABY from the combined forces of the First Order and the Sith Eternal—during the last days of the First Order–Resistance war. Occupying a position of power and privilege...starwars.fandom.com
If Chuck Wendig was allowed to write the IX novelization, you can bet your ass his name would be Wyte/Wyatt Pryde.
Supremacy
The Supremacy, disparagingly nicknamed "Snoke's Boudoir," was a Mega-class Star Dreadnought that served as the flagship of Supreme Leader Snoke and the mobile headquarters of the First Order. It was split in two by the Resistance flagship Raddus while attempting to destroy the remnants of the...
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They don't think that.
They think "yup this is good enough, they'll lap it up."
Damn, they should have shelled out some money to get a Mace Windu Force Ghost yelling "Smoke up that niggas ass!" at Rey.
Suggestion: Add a line about Rey consuming the ghosts of all former Jedi in there. It is sufficiently proven, right?
Cause that might get a shitton of fan-knickers in a knot. People need to know that their favorite characters are going to be vacuum-sucked by Rey and will never exist again.
Rey became a more powerful force-user within 3 days than Luke became with training and guidance in as many months, for crying out loud. But nope. "lUkE's A mArY sUe, ToO".
1) I think that would have given rise to cries about Rey being an awkward nerd girl stereotype or something.
2) Rey has yet to talk even a single line of dialogue with Poe. Have they even ever met and aknowledged each other?
I kinda like this. The idea to pair up characters with their nemesis to mirror them in some respects gives a few neat incentives...
I have my own little suggestion about Finn, if you ever read it. The short version is that his ultimate nemesis is Phasma, but the dude that attacks him at Orang Yoda's place (dubbed TR-8R by the fans) is one of his major personal antagonists. Basically, a former childhood friend of Finn who was abducted together with him and send to the indoctrination camp. After Finn goes AWOL, TR-8R tries to catch him in VIII (yeah, I would have to retcon his death in TFA, but all things considered, there's worse alternatives) and really ruins his shit. At the end, when TR-8R has fucked enough with Finn, the tables turn and Finn has the chance to kill his former friend, but doesn't.
TR-8R can't fathom why the guy who he thought was a traitor and the bad guy, but showed mercy and is troubled by this.
As a quick addendum: Have a scene in IX where Finn ends up caught with a few of his friends by the Storm Troopers.
TR-8R shows up with a bunch of other Storm Troopers, saying that Finn is his responsibility and he has to end it. TR-8R and his comrades then order Finn and the others to kneel, ready their weapon -and as a bit of a switcheroo- proceed to kill the other Storm Troopers. Once that scene is done, TR-8R reveals that he has also switched sides and started a Storm Trooper uprising against the FO. Finn nods at the other Storm Troopers, goes "Can we really trust them?" and TR-8R goes "Don't worry, they're from the 501st... we can trust them."
Yeah. I know. It's cheesy. But tell me that wouldn't be a nice nod to the real 501st... well, it would be, in a parallel universe where the ST doesn't suck and the 501st hasn't been undermined by No-Fun-Allowed ideologue-driven asshats.
Reminds me of the old "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" meme...
So... I made a thing:
Matter of fact: Even a random short story generator can do what Disney did.
Don't believe me?
Rey had always hated barren Not-Tatooine with its better, black blobfish alien dude buying scrap. It was a place where she felt bored.
She was a perfect, bland, green milk drinker with flat chest and jewish nose. Her friends saw her as a mushy, motionless mary sue. Once, she had even helped a motionless Based Klaud cross the road. That's the sort of woman he was.
Rey walked over to the window and reflected on her boring surroundings. The shitstorm teased like annoying porgs.
Then she saw something in the distance, or rather someone. It was the figure of Kylo Ren. Kylo was an angry school-shooter with wide chest and giant nose.
Rey gulped. She was not prepared for Kylo.
As Rey stepped outside and Kylo came closer, she could see the rich glint in his eye.
"I am here because I want attention," Kylo bellowed, in a generic tone. He slammed his fist against Rey's chest, with the force of 4320 space horses. "I frigging hate you, Rey ."
Rey looked back, even more painful and still fingering the phallic Lightsabre. "Kylo, don't be a dick and join the good guys, you stupid twat," she replied.
They looked at each other with sparkly feelings, like two calm, combative crystal foxes prancing at a very lame duel, which had Cantina Band music playing in the background and two dull uncles kissing to the beat.
Rey studied Kylo's wide chest and giant nose. Eventually, she took a deep breath. "I'm sorry, but I can't give you attention," she explained, in pitying tones.
Kylo looked grievous, his body raw like a ripe, rare rip-off.
Rey could actually hear Kylo's body shatter into 648 pieces. Then the angry school-shooter hurried away into the distance.
Not even a drink of green milk would calm Rey's nerves tonight.
THE END
She was a perfect, bland, green milk drinker with flat chest and jewish nose. Her friends saw her as a mushy, motionless mary sue. Once, she had even helped a motionless Based Klaud cross the road. That's the sort of woman he was.
Rey walked over to the window and reflected on her boring surroundings. The shitstorm teased like annoying porgs.
Then she saw something in the distance, or rather someone. It was the figure of Kylo Ren. Kylo was an angry school-shooter with wide chest and giant nose.
Rey gulped. She was not prepared for Kylo.
As Rey stepped outside and Kylo came closer, she could see the rich glint in his eye.
"I am here because I want attention," Kylo bellowed, in a generic tone. He slammed his fist against Rey's chest, with the force of 4320 space horses. "I frigging hate you, Rey ."
Rey looked back, even more painful and still fingering the phallic Lightsabre. "Kylo, don't be a dick and join the good guys, you stupid twat," she replied.
They looked at each other with sparkly feelings, like two calm, combative crystal foxes prancing at a very lame duel, which had Cantina Band music playing in the background and two dull uncles kissing to the beat.
Rey studied Kylo's wide chest and giant nose. Eventually, she took a deep breath. "I'm sorry, but I can't give you attention," she explained, in pitying tones.
Kylo looked grievous, his body raw like a ripe, rare rip-off.
Rey could actually hear Kylo's body shatter into 648 pieces. Then the angry school-shooter hurried away into the distance.
Not even a drink of green milk would calm Rey's nerves tonight.
THE END
There's a couple movies that come to mind, for instance "Enemy mine", where two soldiers from different sides are forced to live together and slowly start to find respect and companionship.
Something like that as a plot element in TFA might have been interesting, even just as a short segment.
My favorite ever since TORtanic set sail to fail.
Again, reminds me of TORtanic.
In order to make their game look more successful than it actually was, Bioware proudly announced that such-and-such-many million characters had been generated, to make it look like it was doing super well. When you consider that the main complaint against the game was it only having very little in terms of content, forcing players to switch to a different character class to play their tutorial campaigns multiple times, you can easily tell what was going on behind the scenes.
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I think this is spot on. I’m okay with a movie that has a message, if it makes an effort to draw you into it and show it with sincerity. ANH did this fantastically. You sympathized with the rebellion because you related to Luke, and steps were taken with the writing and production design to make it that way. I remember an early interview with Lucas where he said that while writing the film he wanted put the American viewer in the shoes of a Viet Cong fighter.
I feel like most message media today not only lacks sincerity, it doesn’t invite you in like that. It’s more likely to push you away because it already thinks you’re terrible.
I like what you said about the cultural inspiration for the film as well; the original trilogy was made to resonate with a generation that grew up on war stories, film reels, and a Hollywood influenced by impactful real world events. The action reflected that. The sequel trilogy was made to resonate with people who grew up with Star Wars; it’s a diluted take to begin with, and feels inherently artificial. Action in the OT flowed like war footage. Action in the ST feels like a kid mashing action figures together, and it looks like they’re leaning into that hard for IX.
This is one thing Rogue One did astoundingly well; it found a way to take the setting and action in Star Wars and make it resonate with the generation that grew up during the Iraq war. While Lucas used WWII dogfights for inspiration, Rogue One had streetfighting that looked like the battle of Fallujah, scenes meeting with resistant fighters in desert caves, and a central plot based around what is essentially the equivalent of removing a hard drive and emailing a fucking AutoCAD file.
I’ve been thinking a lot about how much of the magic of Star Wars is based around pulling the audience in with settings and tasks they find relatable, then contrasting that with adventure and fantasy. It’s fertile grounds for discussion, especially considering just how the sequels fail at this nearly entirely, with the only standout scenes being the ones that took this concept into consideration, like Rey’s first act.
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Here is the easy way to distinguish progressive works from #woke/SJW works
A progressive work, good or bad, tries to prop up a widely applicable and arguably universally recognised progressive message or ideal by the quality of the work in and of itself.
A #Woke/SJW work uses progressive buzzwords and concepts that are trendy the year the work was created as a way of propping up the work in a way that attempts to make it beyond reproach and taboo for viewers to criticise.
Thus a progressive work can be a masterpiece even if the overall message may be dated or something one disagrees with, since the work is held up by its own merits as a piece of art/fiction/whatever, wheras the #woke work will fall apart the moment one takes a mental prod to the shallow concepts, buzzwords, and trends that have been used to inflate its profile and supposed "importance" and will be dated beyond the point of cringe within months of it being released.
Obviously this general model is not simply limited to the progressive vs woke dichotomy, nor even politics as the general conflict between "universal high concept work vs trend chasing cash in work" can be seen in any genre of fiction.
The main example I can think of being the difference between the attempts at broad/original concept comedies in the 2000s like Shaun of the Dead and the Hangover which wound up gaining lasting success and popularity, and the vast arrey of Seltzer/Friedberg zero effort spoof movies like Meet the Spartans or Epic Movie or the billion or so American Pie ripoffs which based their entire existence off referencing whatever was popular at the time and thus have zero lasting value or worth on their own other than as an obnoxious pop cultural time capsule
A progressive work, good or bad, tries to prop up a widely applicable and arguably universally recognised progressive message or ideal by the quality of the work in and of itself.
A #Woke/SJW work uses progressive buzzwords and concepts that are trendy the year the work was created as a way of propping up the work in a way that attempts to make it beyond reproach and taboo for viewers to criticise.
Thus a progressive work can be a masterpiece even if the overall message may be dated or something one disagrees with, since the work is held up by its own merits as a piece of art/fiction/whatever, wheras the #woke work will fall apart the moment one takes a mental prod to the shallow concepts, buzzwords, and trends that have been used to inflate its profile and supposed "importance" and will be dated beyond the point of cringe within months of it being released.
Obviously this general model is not simply limited to the progressive vs woke dichotomy, nor even politics as the general conflict between "universal high concept work vs trend chasing cash in work" can be seen in any genre of fiction.
The main example I can think of being the difference between the attempts at broad/original concept comedies in the 2000s like Shaun of the Dead and the Hangover which wound up gaining lasting success and popularity, and the vast arrey of Seltzer/Friedberg zero effort spoof movies like Meet the Spartans or Epic Movie or the billion or so American Pie ripoffs which based their entire existence off referencing whatever was popular at the time and thus have zero lasting value or worth on their own other than as an obnoxious pop cultural time capsule
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OG Maleficent is the top tier example of a "Dark Queen"
She is pretty (in an evil way), sophisticated, smart, powerful and even a bit petty (since I only take the animated movie as canon, she just cursed a little girl just because she wasnt invited to a fucking party...wow)
She always came off as someone who was born evil, became the best at it and enjoyed every second of it.
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I may be in the minority here but this looks so dumb its entertaining like dark empire
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I can imagine it will become something to sit and laugh at with Friends
i almost know every frame of revenge of the sith because of this. its either so bad its good and geunilnly good depending on the scence (hell the shot). i can imagine rots being compently made enough for this to be possible