FBI releases "Finders" Document on CIA connected child sex trafficking cult

[Spooky Bones]

The documents relating to the underground tunnels and the floor plan description of McMartin preschool are particularly horrifying.

The wikipedia article on the Mc Martin Preschool is apparently having an edit fight over whether the tunnels exist or not.

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There's a whole lot of wtf in this dump.

And the MacMartin Preschool is pretty much a byword for "fake child sexual abuse claims that are outlandish and bizarre and absolutely did not happen and lead to witch hunts because fundies are dumb and psychologists employed questionable techniques." (The latter assertion is true but psychology is inherently not an exact science, much to the chagrin of psychologists, and that there is a prominently questionable quantum of evidence for something is not the same as the sum of the evidence for it being questionable.)

When you consider that something may actually have happened, that's pretty disturbing. The "fact" that the "Satanic panic" nonsense was nonsense is in the category of climate change and WWII war crimes where people are expected to just as an epistemological first assumption realize that claims to the contrary are categorically wrong and made by delusional/bad/foolish people. This isn't to say that there probably isn't plenty of nonsense but whenever these nexuses of "of course no rational person would believe X" with potential evidence of "X" it really will get you wondering about the "rational people" who dismiss it as categoric nonsense. The world is a lot more disturbing than we want to admit as well as simultaneously being less complex (yes capital E objective metaphysical Evil is real as a certain meme put it: look no further than child troons for it to be blatantly advocated) and more complex (the situations that create this sort of thing aren't "just" the fact that there are very wicked people in the world but in fact they cross with all sorts of power structures and ideologies and general ugliness.)

 

[post]

i remember someone integrating it into an elsagate ARG, spooky shit when you can disregard all the ARG fluff, but not the finders case

 

[Denmark Mafia]

Saw this on Twitter. This guy has done some SERIOUS digging on The Finders and I am liking it so far:

Investigation:

The Finders: An Investigation #1

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Documentary:

Who Will Find What The Finders Hide? (Full Documentary)

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Big brain takes are now coming in. It's time for the real questions to asked.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Well my fucking apologies to the conspiracy theorists who were apparently right all along.

I used to know someone a while back who worked with child sex abuse victims and at one point they said to me that the "satanic panic" child sex abuse wasn't actually completely fake and that people would tell you it was but it wasn't. This was a very smart person who was very competent and on the money with most things, and I never really knew what to make of that. I feel kind of stupid for doubting them now. They apparently knew something the rest of us didn't.

I've heard that too from two friends of my family, one of whom is a police officer and a level-headed competent guy, and the other had worked for CPS for years.

Given that I grew up in a very "Bible Belt" region, I always kind of dismissed it as either misinterpretation or a few sickos pulling a Richard Ramirez and using Satanism as a way to prey on local fears (the Chicago Rippers also did this in the 80's during the peak of the Satanic Panic) but now I'm not so sure...

Personally, I still think the Satanic Panic of the 80's and 90's was mostly bullshit. Or to be more accurate, I think the way that events are seen by the fundie party line of the Satanic Panic was utter bullshit. A lot of the main peddlers of the Satanic Panic hysteria have been decisively discredited, with John Todd and Rebecca Brown being the most egregious and horrifying examples while Jack Chick and Bill Schnoebelen having the most lolcow-tier takes on it.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if there were elites who are pulling the Richard Ramirez/Chicago Rippers ploy but on a more organized level with greater scope, and then using the historic idiocies of the Religious Right to discredit anyone that tries to blow the whistle on it.

Then again, we have seen Millennial SJW's go above and beyond to act like villains in a Chick Tract, complete with trying to make "green enviornmentalism" into a cult of sorts.

For all we know, this could be the end results of some elites discussing the Satanic Panic aboard the Lolita Express and one of them saying "Hmm, you think we could try this out but in real life?" and another replying with "I don't know, but we can give it the old college try!"

 

[Smug Cat]

I've heard that too from two friends of my family, one of whom is a police officer and a level-headed competent guy, and the other had worked for CPS for years.

Given that I grew up in a very "Bible Belt" region, I always kind of dismissed it as either misinterpretation or a few sickos pulling a Richard Ramirez and using Satanism as a way to prey on local fears (the Chicago Rippers also did this in the 80's during the peak of the Satanic Panic) but now I'm not so sure...

Personally, I still think the Satanic Panic of the 80's and 90's was mostly bullshit. Or to be more accurate, I think the way that the fundie party line of the Satanic Panic was utter bullshit. A lot of the main peddlers of the Satanic Panic hysteria have been decisively discredited, with John Todd and Rebecca Brown being the most egregious and horrifying examples while Jack Chick and Bill Schnoebelen having the most lolcow-tier takes on it.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if there were elites who are pulling the Richard Ramirez/Chicago Rippers ploy but on a more organized level with greater scope, and then using the historic idiocies of the Religious Right to discredit anyone that tries to blow the whistle on it.

Then again, we have seen Millennial SJW's go above and beyond to act like villains in a Chick Tract, complete with trying to make "green enviornmentalism" into a cult of sorts.

For all we know, this could be the end results of some elites discussing the Satanic Panic aboard the Lolita Express and one of them saying "Hmm, you think we could try this out but in real life?" and another replying with "I don't know, but we can give it the old college try!"

I think that's a pretty spot-on analysis. I would be very surprised if there are or were any actual people unironically worshipping Satan and doing this shit. I imagine any connection would either be for deniability/taking advantage of the panic, a general love of the aesthetic/transgressiveness of the ritualistic aspects, or the perpetrators are just into some really fucked up shit and when you show fucked-up shit to a fundie they think Satanism. Like a sadist might force a child to kill an animal just out of sadism, and then a fundie goes "GASP! animal sacrifice to the devil!" or whatever.

I'm sure a whole lot of the rhetoric is bullshit. But there were tunnels under the McMartin preschool, when everyone told us there weren't. Who even knows what's real anymore.

 

[Where Do You Find Them?]

"Two children were confirmed cases of sexual abuse."

Well there we are, they found bite marks on one of the kids as well. Aside from this one part it's never mentioned again though and even contradicted plenty of times. It seems the HRS thought there was child abuse but the FBI "found no evidence" of it.

"<redacted> said that the contact told him that <redacted> put the word out to members to flee and hide. <redacted>
stated that <redacted> himself would probably go to Andrews Air Force Base and get a military plane flight to china"

So either someone's full of shit or their leader (I presume) has some serious connections.

It seems one of the initial two suspects (the men with the six kids in the van) had two copies of a signed miranda rights document with two different names and statements one starting "I have nothing to hide" and the other "I have something to hide." It says full copies of the documents are in the "case file." Is that something we have access to? I couldn't find it in the PDF. There was also mention of a poem called "the ballad of ballads" found in the van but again it's in the case file.

There's quite a few suspicious redactions. I don't know what the norm is for this shit but 99% of them are names and then 1% are big blocks of testimony. Weirdly the only name that wasn't redacted was "Christine Isabell Pettie" who apparently worked for the CIA.

Does anyone know what "this matter is considered RUC" means?

There's a whole bunch of other dodgy shit in there. I'm gonna have to go through those videos posted and then maybe do some of my own digging and try to piece it all together.

 

[heathercho]

And the MacMartin Preschool is pretty much a byword for "fake child sexual abuse claims that are outlandish and bizarre and absolutely did not happen and lead to witch hunts because fundies are dumb and psychologists employed questionable techniques." (The latter assertion is true but psychology is inherently not an exact science, much to the chagrin of psychologists, and that there is a prominently questionable quantum of evidence for something is not the same as the sum of the evidence for it being questionable.)

When you consider that something may actually have happened, that's pretty disturbing. The "fact" that the "Satanic panic" nonsense was nonsense is in the category of climate change and WWII war crimes where people are expected to just as an epistemological first assumption realize that claims to the contrary are categorically wrong and made by delusional/bad/foolish people. This isn't to say that there probably isn't plenty of nonsense but whenever these nexuses of "of course no rational person would believe X" with potential evidence of "X" it really will get you wondering about the "rational people" who dismiss it as categoric nonsense. The world is a lot more disturbing than we want to admit as well as simultaneously being less complex (yes capital E objective metaphysical Evil is real as a certain meme put it: look no further than child troons for it to be blatantly advocated) and more complex (the situations that create this sort of thing aren't "just" the fact that there are very wicked people in the world but in fact they cross with all sorts of power structures and ideologies and general ugliness.)

The McMartin Preschool case was insane.
The original mother-accuser, Judy Johnson, just so happened to "die" before the prelim hearing was finished.
She was "mentally ill" and an "alcoholic". It's always so amazing how in so many of these case, people just drop dead.
The tunnels were confirmed at the time by an archeologist, yet you had people handwaiving that away.
The children had testimony that accurately described the tunnels.
My personal theory is that the satanic connection isn't satanic, more that it falls inline with other declassified techniques on meditation, brainwashing and altered states.
It just took the form to the kids as "satanic".

Either way, anyone who thinks the CIA are just a bunch of friendly, glow in the darks who care about the US and who don't obfuscate other agencies from the truth are idiots.

 

[Distant Stare]

It is an open secret. This surprises no one who pays attention anymore, especially after Epstein. Nothing will happen, as per usual

 

[AnOminous]

Does anyone know what "this matter is considered RUC" means?

12. Abbreviations Used In FBI Reports

www.justice.gov

"RUC - Referred upon completion to office of origin"

 

[Not an NSA Plant 69]

Does anyone know what "this matter is considered RUC" means?

This is an FBI investigation document, so RUC in this context is Referred Upon Completion (to office of origin).

It is typically used when Head Quarters or a Field Office requests another Field Office to investigate something. When the investigating Field Office is finished they will send the completed investigation back to the originating office and will respond with something like the cited text which is FBI-speak for "Okay, here's the stuff you asked for. We're done with this unless you tell us differently."

Edit: Sniped by seconds lol

 

[melty]

This sounds a little crazy, but since most people here seem to agree that there's definitely some weird satanic pedo thing going on with the elite class, and now that intelligence agencies tried to keep information about these practices hidden, I'm just going to put it out there.

I've wondered for awhile if there's some secret reason that they're doing these rituals and fucking kids that us normal people aren't aware of. I don't really know what that could be, except maybe they think it gives them powers or something? I don't believe in magic or the devil fwiw so I have a hard time reconciling what the reason could be, but I can't help but think there's some specific purpose for mixing satanic worship and kiddie diddling that is not publicly known but is believed to be true in certain circles.

I can accept "they're just pedo degenerates" for why they're fucking kids, but the Satan shit mixed in just doesn't make sense to me. All the people I've known who unironically believed in satanic rituals were white trash fundies. Smarter people who are still Christian seem to believe in Satan as more of an otherwordly concept and not something you can actually conjure with rituals.

My personal theory is that the satanic connection isn't satanic, more that it falls inline with other declassified techniques on meditation, brainwashing and altered states.

This could make sense, but I dunno. I keep thinking back to the "spirit cooking" and more overt satanic symbolism coming out of pizzagate.
I'm kind of assuming that all the satanic kiddie diddlers are reading from the same playbook and it's all connected, but I don't really know what to think.

 

[Denmark Mafia]

This sounds a little crazy, but since most people here seem to agree that there's definitely some weird satanic pedo thing going on with the elite class, and now that intelligence agencies tried to keep information about these practices hidden, I'm just going to put it out there.

I've wondered for awhile if there's some secret reason that they're doing these rituals and fucking kids that us normal people aren't aware of. I don't really know what that could be, except maybe they think it gives them powers or something? I don't believe in magic or the devil fwiw so I have a hard time reconciling what the reason could be, but I can't help but think there's some specific purpose for mixing satanic worship and kiddie diddling that is not publicly known but is believed to be true in certain circles.

I can accept "they're just pedo degenerates" for why they're fucking kids, but the Satan shit mixed in just doesn't make sense to me. All the people I've known who unironically believed in satanic rituals were white trash fundies. Smarter people who are still Christian seem to believe in Satan as more of an otherwordly concept and not something you can actually conjure with rituals.


This could make sense, but I dunno. I keep thinking back to the "spirit cooking" and more overt satanic symbolism coming out of pizzagate.
I'm kind of assuming that all the satanic kiddie diddlers are reading from the same playbook and it's all connected, but I don't really know what to think.

I think Kubrick was trying to say some things about this in Eyes Wide Shut. It's still worth a watch but if I remember correctly there is some mystery about the final cut... And Kubrick's sudden death.

 

[.Woody]

With all the fucked up shit some people have to look at and/or do in both the FBI and the CIA, especially with all the information they have know, I can't say I'm surprised. If these guys are having to trawl through actual child pornography and animal rape on a daily basis,a few of them might just snap and start getting into it, like some sort of insane coping mechanism.

 

[Where Do You Find Them?]

The children had testimony that accurately described the tunnels.

They did, but the child also described the uses of the tunnels as a food room and tool store etc. Only the eldest child actually spoke at first, but she did say that the others didn't speak because they were told not to. I think some of the other children ended up speaking but it's hard to tell who's who with all the redactions.

What is very dodgy is that during the raid (which was just 2 days after the arrests) they found lots of children's clothing, diapers and toys, but no kids. Apparently the group was communicating via a BBS. A computer with copies of the BBS messages was found just lying around outside a library near a telephone that could have been used to dial into the BBS. Presumably hastily abandoned to avoid incrimination. Another similar computer was found during a raid. Some of the messages talked about the arrests "in detail" and that they were now "scared and hiding." One of the messages had instructions to move the children through different jurisdictions and how to avoid police detection.

Other messages included stuff on how to procure children through impregnating their female members, buying them and kidnapping them. Again, full copies are in the case file.

They did the usual cult tactics of isolating members from friends and family. If the families got pushy they would send them detailed accounts of sexually explicit encounters featuring their family members complete with photos until they went away.

It should be possible to match up some of the redactions with publicly available names. We know that the leader is Marion Pettie, it was reported in newspapers at the time, which has the right length to be the person taking a military plane to China.

The US customs report is here: http://tedgunderson.info/index_htm_files/US Customs Service Report of Investigation FINDERS.pdf

It has more grizzly details that I couldn't find in the FBI report. "One such telex specifically ordered the purchase of two children in Hong Kong to be arranged through a contact at a Chinese embassy there." I have to imagine this is in one of the redacted blocks in the FBI document.

They were collecting a lot of information on any families that put out adverts for nannys etc and on child care organizations.

if there's some secret reason that they're doing these rituals

The psychological effect of ritual is well studied. Almost all cults use them in some form. It binds the members together. Even better if the rituals involve doing something considered immoral such as satanic shit.

 

[rooblue]

Reading through all this, and knowing about Epstein, what is it going to take for the common people to rise up?
A fleeting thought I had was that only if video-graphic evidence of a politician/celebrity engaged in these horrific acts was leaked and spread, maybe then, but it’s illegal to even possess and the last thing any sane human wants to expose themselves to.

 

[Stasi]

A little off topic - Someone already mentioned Eyes Wide Shut. I'd also recommend checking out Enemy of the State. Less about degenerate cult stuff and more about abuse of power by intelligence agencies.

As this kind of shit is revealed it looks less like a stupid action movie and more like a documentary expose.

 

[Spl00gies]

Handy dandy US Customs Service Report of Investigation on the Finders, just so happens to contain a bunch of redacted names.

Also found a google drive link to the police reports without redacted information Finders Police Reports

Archive of US Customs Report
Archive of Police Reports

 

[dirtydeanna96]

Given that I grew up in a very "Bible Belt" region, I always kind of dismissed it as either misinterpretation or a few sickos pulling a Richard Ramirez and using Satanism as a way to prey on local fears (the Chicago Rippers also did this in the 80's during the peak of the Satanic Panic)

Likewise, but even if they are not Satanists per se, lots of people are into demonolotry, performing magick and giving some kind of sacrifice to what they believe to be malevolent spirit.

 

[Easterling]

Likewise, but even if they are not Satanists per say, lots of people are into demonolotry, performing magick and giving some kind of sacrifice to what they believe to be malevolent spirit.

Welcome to real /x/ hours, tune in next week for sex tulpas.

 

[Denmark Mafia]

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