Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[Manwithn0n0men]

Dark Phoenix made more than that

But it's just a prediction, reality is always worse so expect a even bigger bomb. Couldn't have happened to a shittier film.

After I get back from this Trash tonight I will share my thoughts. I will also use spoiler tags

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

I saw an article that one of the co-creators and sue to get a license if the studio doesnt keep cranking this trash out

You mean Gale? Did she comment on this recently?

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

You mean Gale? Did she comment on this recently?

IDk? Maybe? And I was reading an article on how some of these subsidiary creators can sue if they feel the main license holder isnt making proper money for them

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Oh. Because last I heard of it was a report that co-owners can stop movies from getting made:

Studios May Lose 'Die Hard,' 'Terminator,' 'Beetlejuice' Rights as Authors Cite Copyright Law

Studios may lose the rights to movies like The Terminator, Die Hard, Beetlejuice, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit as authors begin to cite an old copyright law.

collider.com

Could ‘The Terminator’ Co-Writer Gale Anne Hurd Stop Terminator: Dark Fate Sequels?

Gale Anne Hurd, co-writer of The Terminator (1984), could put an end to potential Terminator: Dark Fate sequels before they even begin.

www.theterminatorfans.com

So either she stops them for good, starts calling the shots on what movies get made, or demands a cut of whatever Skydance and Cameron decide to do next. Because nobody's making money off this garbage heap.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

So either she stops them for good, starts calling the shots on what movies get made, or demands a cut of whatever Skydance and Cameron decide to do next. Because nobody's making money off this garbage heap.

Yeah these were the articles I read

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

After I get back from this Trash tonight I will share my thoughts. I will also use spoiler tags

Here's something to wash the taste of Junkie XL out of your ear:

I might go see this with a friend on Saturday. I'll just buy another ticket to Joker.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I find it really upsetting how systemically, piece by piece, pop culture gets a little worse and a little worse as time goes on and Terminator is a perfect example of that.

Rise of The Machines, Salvation and Genisys were all increasing levels of lame, but now we're at the point where it's not just a lame movie, but a morally reprehensible one, "woke" culture isn't just stupid, it's literally evil.

We are now at a point where movies promate evil messages and that's just too much to take.

The one silver lining is most people agree with me and these movies keep flopping, so I like to think this won't last forever.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Hey.

What's wrong with this picture?

"a franchise is lifted out of mediocrity"

You literally gave it the most middling score you could. Do you work at IGN?

‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ review: Linda Hamilton saves the world, and a franchise is lifted out of mediocrity

Linda Hamilton returns, looking fierce, hoisting enormous weapons of Terminator destruction and growling insults in a vaguely inhuman, seen-it-all-including-the-apocalypse way, with a chaser of Elaine Stritch.

www.chicagotribune.com

Anyways, nice night for a walk, eh?



"There's a chance it surpasses those expectations (especially since word-of-mouth has been solid)"

Terminator: Dark Fate Budget: How Much The Movie Cost To Make

That's A LOT of money for a Terminator movie.

screenrant.com

These people are living in a fucking dream.

Not only is this the most expensive Terminator movie, it's also the most any studio has spent to advertise.

TUG covers this in more detail:

 

[Dom Cruise]

What's funny is I knew exactly when the very first image from the film was released and it was focused the 3 main female characters that it was going to be "woke" garbage.

 

[Raging Capybara]

Who the fuck is stupid enough to spend almost 200 million dollars on an R rated movie? These assholes deserve to lose money.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

I find it really upsetting how systemically, piece by piece, pop culture gets a little worse and a little worse as time goes on and Terminator is a perfect example of that.

Rise of The Machines, Salvation and Genisys were all increasing levels of lame, but now we're at the point where it's not just a lame movie, but a morally reprehensible one, "woke" culture isn't just stupid, it's literally evil.

We are now at a point where movies promate evil messages and that's just too much to take.

The one silver lining is most people agree with me and these movies keep flopping, so I like to think this won't last forever.

At least salvation tried to do something different by focusing on the future war. Otherwise every other terminator film since 2 has been doing the same song and Dance. Speaing of which I hate how the main terminator of each from 3 onwards with the exception of salvation film is a T1000 knock off

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Yeah, it's like I said earlier: T2 should've been the definitive end of the story. That doesn't mean you can't make more movies based in the Terminator world, or make a spin-off. That just means that you have a bounded sandbox you need to work within. Everything you do has to make sense within that sandbox, so theoretically, there should be no field-ready Terminator unit more advanced than the T-1000. You could theoretically pull off merging a T-800 endo with a T-1000, but you can't just keep making more and more movies like T2. That's retarded.

It's all about maintaining the integrity of the central characters, narrative, and the world that it describes. If you can't do that, then less and less people will be invested in it, because anything can change and sooner or later some new bullshit is gonna get introduced that starts to dilute or just ruin everything that came before.

There need to be rules. If you're thinking about breaking them, there'd better be a really good reason that maintains the rest of the world despite it, and the movie better be great. T2 I think does this well on both counts; iirc from the novelization, the T-1000 snuck in and sent itself back through time after Connor sent Reese back. Realizing this had happened, the Resistance sent back a reprogrammed T-800. There still might be some gaps there or rules broken that were set by T1, but I'd have to read the novelizations.

If we're going strictly by EFAP/MauLer rules, T2 sacrificed some relevant expo in exchange for a tight, shortert film, so if falls short of the rule-breaking mandate. However, it delivered a great film that resolved the time loop from the first film in a satisfactory manner, so it can be forgiven and patched up. Otherwise, it would've been a much more polarizing film, like T3, which performed better as a parody of T2 than as a sequel.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I assume the 185 million budgets accounts for marketing as well. Because it doesn't look like it cost 185 million. Not even close.

I'm disappointed in Miller, I liked Deadpool and I believe he also did the CGI cutscenes for Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, which were cool.

I guess we can point to the reason for Deadpool's success: a great script with a great actor. Reynolds was right to kick Miller off of Deadpool 2.

 

[Lion_El'Richie]

If I recall correctly marketing isn't covered in the general movie budget (i.e the total you see on Wiki and sites like this). General rule of thumb is double that number for total expenditure.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

So I saw it

I will Spoiler space my Spergery

Spoiler

What I hate more is a movie that shows promise but can't stick the landing....Is a movie I expect to be bad but it doesn't have the decency to be a class 7 dumpster fire

So let me talk about what I liked

Linda Hamilton lit up every scene she was in. The scenes she was in with Arnie all had heart and pathos. Sadly the movie doesn't know what to do with that heart and pathos.

The time travel globes being cold rather than hot was interesting.

Carl was interesting.

The actress who played grace did what she could.

Dani was a bad casting decision....the conception of her character was bad. How "current" Danni connects to "future" Danni shows a lack of interest in world-building. The World Building is some sloppy ass JJ Abrams stuff.

The movie didn't have anything to say about "Surveillance Capitalism" or "Automation" or "Military AIs" BUT it wanted you to think it did.

T1 and T2 both had a distinct Cold War/Nuclear War message. It had a Anti-MIC message. T3 was a Coda for those movies. T4 was trying to do something differentish that people thought they wanted. This had Geneysis attention to detail (or lack thereof) in world-building the AI problem. But the rise of the AI isn't a threat in the story."

Also "Stopping the Computers from taking over" was never on the table. So everyone is just fucking around till the world ends? That's what your movie is about?

Dani doesn't show Savior Traits, or Warrior Traits, or Leadership traits but she says lines designed to make her sound like an urban street-tough written by a bunch of white dudes in the most embarrassing way possible.

Killing John was gross and offensive....but that was their best way to give Carl and Sarah motivations which....which is pretty dumb.

Anti-Feminity as a meme is all in the movie and they could almost say something interesting but they water it down to straight out pablum.

The FXs look bad. Probably due to having to be rushed following reshoots.

Its trying to pace itself like a Fast and the Furious movie while also dumping out Star Trek levels of exposition. Those two things take you out of the movie a whole bunch.

Also the writers don't understand how EMPs work. And how blowing up a turbine can under optimal conditions create one.

They seemed profoundly connected to the idea of reshooting the same shots from the prior 5 films without actually having any of the shots mean anything within the film they were doing other than memberberries.

And it didnt have the decency to be an absolute wreck. I hate that most of all.[/spoilers]

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

So to sum up, a group of top (white) men managed to churn out a disappointingly safe and incompetent screenplay for a Terminator film, amid frequent tensions between a newbie director and an industry legend who originated the franchise.

That's arguably the worst outcome: it's offensive and yet boring. Anything good it has going for it is undercut by the means taken to get it. On top of that, not even the combined involvement of James Cameron, Linda Hamilton, and Arnold Schwarzenegger could make a better movie than the last three, let alone as good as T2.

What will they do for the next attempt? Try to bring back Michael Biehn, Earl Born or Robert Patrick? How about Brad Fiedel, like they smugly teased us with a while back? How desperately and how soon will they try this shit again?

 

[The handsome tard]

I guess we can point to the reason for Deadpool's success: a great script with a great actor. Reynolds was right to kick Miller off of Deadpool 2.

Unpopular opinion: Deadpool is overrated, both the movie and character. She Hulk was doing his gimmick decades before (and was pure eye candy while doing it)

Just to make it clear before someone rates me autistic or dumb for it, its just my opinion and if you love him, thats fine, its legal now.

What will they do for the next attempt? Try to bring back Michael Biehn, Earl Born or Robert Patrick? How about Brad Fiedel, like they smugly teased us with a while back? How desperately and how soon will they try this shit again?

I think the series will be on ice for a long ass while if not being terminated altogether. I can only see maybe a future war movie but outside of that....what the FUCK can they do that doesnt feel like a broken record?

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I think the series will be on ice for a long ass while if not being terminated altogether. I can only see maybe a future war movie but outside of that....what the FUCK can they do that doesnt feel like a broken record?

Flip the script: in the future, humanity is on the brink of defeat at the hands (or whatever) of Legion. As a hail mary play, a human warrior sent back in time to awaken another AI and prevent the rise of Legion, and a Legion terminator (not shit this time kthx) sent back to stop him. Human warrior ropes in the memberry cast because hey, they're the people who know about all this future shit, they should be able to help. This gives our cast a dilemma: stop him and try to fight Legion in the future, or help him and prevent Legion, but get a different Judgement Day now. This is kind of a mean idea, since the Skynet future was better (humanity was on the brink of victory) but it makes for a more interesting plot than "break the robot."

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Flip the script: in the future, humanity is on the brink of defeat at the hands (or whatever) of Legion. As a hail mary play, a human warrior sent back in time to awaken another AI and prevent the rise of Legion, and a Legion terminator (not shit this time kthx) sent back to stop him. Human warrior ropes in the memberry cast because hey, they're the people who know about all this future shit, they should be able to help. This gives our cast a dilemma: stop him and try to fight Legion in the future, or help him and prevent Legion, but get a different Judgement Day now. This is kind of a mean idea, since the Skynet future was better (humanity was on the brink of victory) but it makes for a more interesting plot than "break the robot."

Better than Moviebob’s Terminator script, at least.

 

[Jub-Jub]

What happens after this movie flops? Is this series finally going to die? Are they going to shit out another movie that ignores the existence of the shitty ones?

Hard to say. Genisys had a smaller budget, likely higher return, was considered a flop bad enough to yeet that planned trilogy and do a hard reset, but they still made another one. If the low predictions hold true then the franchise will probably be put on ice and this planned trilogy is dead.

I assume the 185 million budgets accounts for marketing as well. Because it doesn't look like it cost 185 million. Not even close.

Articles I've seen are claiming that's the production budget. I heard it had some unplanned re-shoots, so the production budget was probably aimed closer to $150m. Still insane and still doesn't look like it.