Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I'm really counting down the days to Rise of Skywalker though. After paying for me and my gf's tickets to Last Jedi, I've never been more insulted in my life than after that film.

Granted, I'm gonna pirate the film when it goes live online while eating my bachelor spaghetti on a stormy night, but even that's gotten me filled with dread.

Geez, 2018 was bad. 2019 is way way worse with what's happening. Fuck Johnson, KK and Darth Rattigan. Actually, it should be Snoke Rattigan, Iger isn't worthy of being called Darth
 
No, please, Ratigan is too good a villain to be compared to Iger. He could be one of the crappy new woke Disney villains or something.

Snoke Olaf? I never liked that carrot-dildo-nose fop. Snoke Iger for simplicity's sake?
Snoke Thanos?

I dunno, Disney seems to forget the "Batman villain formula". Where audiences come for the Hero, but stay for the Villains. I can't name a single cool or memorable villain in the past decade that they've done. It's really not that forgettable, it's just nonexistent.

In fact all of modern family-friendly, catch-all audiences have that problem. No quality or substance.

Just quips.
 
SJWs, Christian Moms and weird Bizarro girl I was talking about earlier all hate or dislike villains, because they're bad role models or are toxic and abusive figures. And since Disney is desperate to pander to these people, they make the villains as bland and inoffensive as possible. Or they make them sympathetic, but instead of making them interesting like Joker or Wicked did, they're just bland like Maleficent or the Marvel villains.
 
What idiots. The hate surrounding them is probably even bigger and less divided than people's hatred for Disney, Kennedy and RJ. If they think leaving the SW franchise will mean less "fandom toxicity" for them, then they're sorely mistaken. These fuckers will be boo'd at by salty GoT viewers wherever they go. You created this "toxicity" when you produced a shit-tier toxic finisher for your product. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

I don't put too much stock in rumors passed around by YouTubers, even ones I like, but when Midnight's Edge claims that there are professional writers who have told him Benioff and Weiss are nothing but a couple of fucking hacks who won the lottery, I totally buy it.
 
Or they make them sympathetic, but instead of making them interesting like Joker or Wicked did, they're just bland like Maleficent or the Marvel villains.
I've never seen Wicked. Is the Wicked Witch at least actually interestingly evil there unlike Maleficent's "misunderstood dindunuffin victim" status?

I know Disney has been after the rights to the 1939 Oz film from WB for years (a day I will greatly loathe if they should succeed) and I dread to think how they'll pussify the Witch in a style similar to Maleficent like they did in their crappy Oz the Great and Powerful film where the witch is a crazy crybaby who only becomes evil because she doesn't bathe and eats an evil apple. And speaking of Oz, much like with Star Wars, there's so much media, books and lore surrounding that shit to make countless movies and shows out of yet all anyone ever focuses on is the 1939 film and its pseudo-remakes/reboots, much like Disney only ever focuses on OT and nu-era pandering. Closest thing to a non-1939 focused film adaptation was Return to Oz which was made when Disney was willing to take risks and hire people who had dedication, creativity and balls.
 
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I've never seen Wicked. Is the Wicked Witch actually interestingly evil there unlike Maleficent's "misunderstood dindunuffin victim" status?

She was never evil to begin with, at least in the musical. They needed a political scapegoat and she fit the bill, especially after she decides to go full anarchist. It's done in a way that feels simple, but organic. Plus she's a pretty likable character in the show.

Disney ripped it off big time but without the heart or soul of it.
 
I'm planning to see it.

....Via the North Korean bootlegger near me who inexplicably gets DVD-Rs of the movie within 2 weeks of it being out in theatres and sells them for five dollars a pop.

Is it worth your $5 when that could net you a cheeseburger and freezing cold lemon tea in my hemisphere??

And speaking of Oz, much like with Star Wars, there's so much media, fucking books and lore surrounding that shit to make movies and shows out of yet all anyone ever focuses on is the 1939 film and its pseudo-remakes/reboots, much like Disney only ever focuses on OT and nu-era pandering. Closest thing to a non-1939 focused film adaptation was Return to Oz which was made when Disney was willing to take risks and hire people who had dedication, creativity and balls.

Return to Oz was sick. Plenty of dark and disturbing imagery and building off of a foundation despite it being surreal and edgy as fuck. Pretty sure everyone involved went full Event Horizon on it

WHERE WE'RE GOING DOROTHY, WE DON'T NEED EYES TO SEE
 
I've never seen Wicked. Is the Wicked Witch at least actually interestingly evil there unlike Maleficent's "misunderstood dindunuffin victim" status?

MUCH more interesting that whatever lazy bullshit Disney did with Maleficent. The book of Wicked (and the musical) took a one-note villain to turn her into a fascinating character with lots of shades of grey. She's very intelligent, but she's also very isolated and confrontational and her politics can cause problems to her in the long run, so it's not like she's a poor victim flawless Mary Sue that society dumps on her just cause like Maleficent. Which, yeah, there's a bit of that regarding her skin color, but a lot of what turns her evil is pretty much the Wizard manipulating the masses into believing propaganda and using her as a scapegoat so people stop questioning him. It kinda works, since in the original stories the Wizard was always kinda phony. She kinda sorta accepts being evil because she's just fed up with bad things happening to her and the people she loves all dying due to her actions. She kinda goes a little nuts over it even, and she still kills some people, at least in the novel.

So maybe somebody more cynical than I am would find it flawed, but I don't think it's on the same level as Maleficent, at all.
 
She was never evil to begin with, at least in the musical. They needed a political scapegoat and she fit the bill, especially after she decides to go full anarchist. It's done in a way that feels simple, but organic. Plus she's a pretty likable character in the show.

Disney ripped it off big time but without the heart or soul of it.
MUCH more interesting that whatever lazy bullshit Disney did with Maleficent. The book of Wicked (and the musical) took a one-note villain to turn her into a fascinating character with lots of shades of grey. She's very intelligent, but she's also very isolated and confrontational and her politics can cause problems to her in the long run, so it's not like she's a poor victim flawless Mary Sue that society dumps on her just cause like Maleficent. Which, yeah, there's a bit of that regarding her skin color, but a lot of what turns her evil is pretty much the Wizard manipulating the masses into believing propaganda and using her as a scapegoat so people stop questioning him. It kinda works, since in the original stories the Wizard was always kinda phony. She kinda sorta accepts being evil because she's just fed up with bad things happening to her and the people she loves all dying due to her actions. She kinda goes a little nuts over it even, and she still kills some people, at least in the novel.

So maybe somebody more cynical than I am would find it flawed, but I don't think it's on the same level as Maleficent, at all.
Well it doesn't sound as bad as I thought I guess, and its in-line with the Wizard's character. Though it would be nice to have some characters who are just outright nasty (not one-dimensionally so, but still...), but we've become too accustomed as a society to the hero, fallen hero or redeemed villain narratives that I really shouldn't be surprised. But still sounds better than Maleficent and I can definitely see the Wizard doing something like that considering that he's the same self-serving prick who kidnapped Ozma and helped to overthrow King Pastoria for the Witches just so he could he have a cushy job as the Witches' puppet ruler. Honestly a story about the Wizard's own questionable life and morals in service to the Witches followed by him betraying them for his own ends only to be filled with regret over his actions years later would've probably made for a better story than that Oz the Great and Powerful tripe or one solely about the Witches.

Not that you can't give the witches a tragic background too because there's definitely plenty of room for it, especially when you consider all the fucked up shit that exists in Oz or when considering what the sorry life of the Tin Man implies. I mean, Oz was made into an eternal fairy land in the distant past where people were made immortal in whatever state they were in, like pregnant woman being stuck eternally pregnant unless they left the land of Oz (which is almost impossible because of the Deadly Desert) or mutilation victims being stuck in a state of unholy near-death. Wouldn't be too farfetched to say the witches were old crones dying from some horrible disease when the Fairy Queen did her enchantment, leaving them in a state of eternal pain and semi-death which led them to using their witchcraft for their own gain and evil intent to find a way to undo the enchantment while also taking out their hatred on the world that's content with a well-meaning Fairy's spell while others suffer under it.

Stilln I'd take her over Wendig any day
Traviss was incredibly self-absorbed and hypocritical, but at least she was... hmm. Well she wrote one good Republic Commando book at least.
 
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They didn't even mention that they did it because they were woke, they were genuinely just butthurt that they were getting called out for Season 8 and that when they signed on to Star Wars that it was also getting called out.
These guys are such a pair of pussies they nuked their social media for a week because they couldn't stand how hard they'd get shat on for the last episode of Season 8.

Grow a pair you fucking nuggets. One of you made Wolverine: Origins you should be used to being mocked online by now.
 
These guys are such a pair of pussies they nuked their social media for a week because they couldn't stand how hard they'd get shat on for the last episode of Season 8.

That was pathetic but not exactly unprecedented for public figures who've shit the bed. It was when they bailed out of Comic-Con at the last minute that they revealed themselves to have less courage than a gerbil being batted around by a couple of cats.
 
They already paid him for the franchise, they wouldn't have to pay him more to use it. These theories keep getting regurgitated by dipshit armchair lawyers like Midnight's Edge & Co. that people keep repeating as gospel for some reason.
Some people have it a little backwards. What's really happening is that Bad Robot doesn't get any revenue from merchandise on those classic characters and vehicles. So they're killing off the old characters and redesigning the classic vehicles so that JJ Abrams and his flunkies can make more money.
 
I just realized something amazing.

The terrible filmmakers of the current generation have successfully dislodged some of the most legendary bad filmmakers in history from their positions of failure. Long-running mockables like M.Night Shaymalin, Uwe Boll, Neil Breen, and James Nguyen have absolutely nothing on the likes of modern Hollywood when it comes to fucking up with the force of a tactical nuke. Even Ed Wood is but a blade of grass before the breeze when it comes to Hollywood's fuck-ups.

We make fun of Boll for cranking out hilariously mockable movies for years before deciding to put out some good ones.
But he didn't oversee the complete self-destruction of basically every single franchise that should, by all accounts, sell itself.

We laugh at M. Night for being who he is and cranking out incoherent babbling lunacy.
But he didn't successfully render one of the most persistent franchises in history unprofitable in less than a year.

We make fun of Neil Breen for being something straight out of a Tim and Eric skit.
But Breen isn't the one pushing agendas into movies, even as those agendas prove unpopular, and then responding by doing it more.
 
Here's a dump of all my Google Trends graphs about Soy Was

We're probably the only people left who care. There are still Joker threads on /tv/ but no SW. I haven't poked around plebbit in a while, maybe I should go back to r/starwars etc. and start scouting out a hype or lack thereof, but there really isn't much left.

Any extra data you can get would be appreciated, I'm starting to think my 835 million box office estimate was high.
 

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SJWs, Christian Moms and weird Bizarro girl I was talking about earlier all hate or dislike villains, because they're bad role models or are toxic and abusive figures. And since Disney is desperate to pander to these people, they make the villains as bland and inoffensive as possible. Or they make them sympathetic, but instead of making them interesting like Joker or Wicked did, they're just bland like Maleficent or the Marvel villains.

These people get mad when the bad guy does something bad. It's surreal. Like, these assholes don't understand that the actions of the villain are fucking supposed to be bad. And he can't be portrayed as symapthetic or the slightest bit understandable. A villain has to be an incompetent evil-doer, who fails at every turn and his only reason for doing evil things is cause he's evil. In a way, even villains in Captain Planet (ffs) are more complex, since they at least want to gain money or power or whatever.
And of course, the "incompetent" thing has to stand tall. We can't have the villain be competent and effective, that would be like saying you support them as a producer!

And that reminds me of one of my favorite villains of all time: Nox from Wakfu. Of all characters, it's the bad guy from an old french cartoon (but then again, it gets bonus points for dem hips).

As a short rundown on Nox:
He's an evil time-wizard that collects life force (called Wakfu) to power an incredibly strong artifact that controls time. As it turns out, said artifact was created by a legendary tribe that couldn't control it and were essentially wiped out by it. The artifact can turn back time (which is a feat so amazing that the God of time himself can't do it) and chances are that trying to use it will tear the universe asunder and ruin everything for everyone forever.

As the plot progresses, the audience learns that Nox used to be a family father and his wife and kids were killed in a natural desaster. He now plans to use the time-artifact to go back in time to be with his family again. He knows that it is incredibly dangerous, but his reasoning is that if he is successful, all the killing he did will be undone. And if he's not successful, he won't be able to see his family again and in that case, he doesn't care what happens to the world.

Nox is shown to be a highly competent and powerful foe and the main characters find out that Nox has killed countless people over the course of 200 years and has been literally genociding entire tribes in pursuit of his goal.
At the end of the first season he kills several of the main characters, successfully consumes the lifeforce of an entire humanoid species, effectively killing each and every single one of them and then uses this life force to turn back the flow of time to be reunited with his family. But instead of going back 200 years as he planned, it only goes back 20 minutes, which is enough that most of his killing is undone - however one main character remains dead (until season 2, when he is resurrected).

He then breaks down and before the good guys get him, he says farewell. The ending credits show his remains, fallen to ash, lying on the grave of his family.

The thing about Nox is that his motivation is actually understandable. Even his reasoning that his bad deeds don't matter if he succeeds since they will be undone does make sense.
This short summary can't do him justice, the way how you find out piece by piece what makes him tick as well as the payoff in the end is really good. And - of course - it doesn't hurt that every fight Nox is in goes completely balls to the wall bonkers with weird time-shenanigans.

It's a cartoon for kids and it has such a great villain and dishes out some genuinely terrible things (such as the death of several main characters, granted, they come back to life, but still- the implied genocides in the past remain).

Compare that to nuWars. Villains are incompetent buffoons, they are evil just for being evil's sake, lack any motivation... it fucking sucks.
A french show for little children treats the audience with more respect than nuWars.

That was pathetic but not exactly unprecedented for public figures who've shit the bed. It was when they bailed out of Comic-Con at the last minute that they revealed themselves to have less courage than a gerbil being batted around by a couple of cats.
For that pussy-move alone, these chucklefucks should not be abel to ever (and I mean e v e r ) be able to attend anything with a public audience without a chorus of "You fucked it all up, you incompetent hacks!" drowning them out.

Kinda weird. I recently watched Spoony's Ultima retrospective and the way how he talked about Ultima 9 really strikes close to home, now that SW and GoT have been ruined.
Well... and Alien, Predator, Terminator, Ghostbusters, Star Trek, Transformers, Simpsons... the list goes on.
 
Ya Boi Zack outside of critiquing comics is a green crayon eating moron
Which "radical right?" The one that the BBC created after sucking Hitler's dick became verboten when "Operation Barbarossa" happened? Or those whose religion affiliation is anything other than Atheism, Marxism, and/or Communism?

Marxists, Communists, Islamists and far too many atheists can not tolerant coexistence from the nonbelievers.

I'm talking about the Religious Right in America who in times past were control freaks comparable to SJWs, calling for bans and boycotts of stuff they didn't like and found offensive.

I have a strong distaste for anyone who gets too high up on their high horse and becomes too judgemental and dictatorial of others, regardless of if they're coming at it from a left or right wing angle.

One of my fondest and clearest memories was 9-year old me sitting alone in my living room waiting for dinner to be ready and looking at the Incredible Cross-Sections of Episode I and the DK Visual Guide of Episode I and imagining how the movie would be like with what they were describing in all the different things like the Sith Infiltrator and Gungan Sub.

9 year-old me thought that Darth Maul would be storming Naboo and kidnapping Queen Amidala and other fantasy nonsense like that while Jar Jar was a mechanic who helped repair C3P0 after the Jedi find Amidala sold to Jabba and try to rescue her.

Something about Star Wars and it's magic making a kid think about the possibilities of fiction. Just nothing but identity politics, doublethink, groupthink and a lack of solid creativity that is marketable now with the Mouse as Darth Rattigan.

I really miss Lucas, Zahn, Anderson, Traviss, Luceno Ostrander and Chee.

Yes, even Traviss and Anderson. Sure their Mandalorian and Kyp Durron spergery were a bit much, but looking back now, they're golden. They wanted to try new things but none of them were mean-spirited or talked down to us. Star Wars is a privilege for them all and they never took it as a right. I miss them all and cannot wait for Star Wars to fail at the box office so it becomes a "nerd" interest as more normalfags make fun of people who like it while at the same time they cannot stop sperging out how cool DnD and Marvel and Disney are, things that form a core original nerd identity.

Hypocrites.

I actually still have that DK Visual Guide of Episode I funnily enough.
 
What idiots. The hate surrounding them is probably even bigger and less divided than people's hatred for Disney, Kennedy and RJ. If they think leaving the SW franchise will mean less "fandom toxicity" for them, then they're sorely mistaken. These fuckers will be boo'd at by salty GoT viewers wherever they go. You created this "toxicity" when you produced a shit-tier toxic finisher for your product. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Not really. As far as I'm concerned, part of the reason why people gave them extra crap besides for ruining GoT is because they believed they would ruin Star Wars as well. It's a similar situation with JJ. No one would honestly care that much about him if he actually made his own original films.
 
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