Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

How sad that supergirl bowed down to her and licked her boots. Should've just told her to fuck off.
In her defense, not all the facts were known about the allegations and no one was 100% sure if Vic did cheat on Michelle at the time, which was later confirmed during Vic's deposition.

Honestly, even I gave Michelle leeway until it was apparent she's just a parasite that deserved to get cheated on, given that it was through Vic that she actually got any roles and clout in the first place.
 
She's getting recognition almost solely for her work on Vic's show, portraying a character he created. She's going to be able to travel to events because of it. Also, when it comes to the other stuff PR Celebrity mentioned, she got her role in the star trek game because of her role in STC, and she also most likely got her role in Fallout: Nuka Break through Vic, because he had a big role in that show. I analysed all of her roles a few hundred pages back and it became clear she got virtually all of her VA roles through Vic and most of her other roles as well. She shits on him through liking the most vile shit all day, yet still owes him her success. Let that sink in.

So she's just another Amber Heard.

I'm starting to wonder if she was the instigator of everything at this point.
 
I admit I am extremely tired of hearing him, Laura, and Troy in every friggin game...but I wouldn't wish false accusations on him.
Companies sadly prefer putting in the same well known voices over and over than risking somebody new and "less exciting" in major roles. Sure i too wish we'd get less of the same voices every time but i take what i can get if it's good.

Yet again, I'm not mad, just bothered to see some kiwis making stuffs up.
That's how misinformation starts, and kiwis are better than that.


Not when it's over-interpretation, or worst, projection.
Some of the things I listed could be subtext, true, but some clearly aren't.
Remember, that's exactly what KV does with Vic's deposition.


I'm trying to make a bigger point here, but it seems that it goes over everybody's head...

This is you right now and you know what is also true about everybody that ever acted like Homer Simpson? They were fucking idiots.
 
I don't read it quite like that. It feels more like a "OK, whatever" to me.
She did delete the stuff that Michele told her to, though, although she was under no obligation to do so. Michele didn't have the right to tell her what she can and what she can't post online, doesn't matter if it's factually correct or not. That's what bothered me. Should've just told her that.

Also, I think the thread in question was speculating whether Vic and Monica had an affair. It wasn't anything super outrageous.
 
She did delete the stuff that Michele told her to, though (...)
OK, my bad, I made it too short, I will further it:
OK, whatever, you're not worth it, I'm not gonna fight with you, I don't mind removing it, I don't care.
The "Yes ma'am" sounds very sarcastic to me, not like a genuine bowing down thing.

I'm not arguing with the "shouldn't have done that", I don't have an opinion on that part.
 
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Well after a couple of days, that seems a bit low. Does the site say how many times the audio stream was listened to or downloaded?
 
Just in general. I mean........they aren't hypocrites right? (rhetorical) And ages ago means nothing as we've seen here.
In that case, I have no fucking idea. But if they have been pressed, and the lie has been archived, I think Ty could use that info because if my not lawyer is hunch is right, one of the things that'll truly nail you in libel/defamation suits is something called "reckless disregard for the truth".
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Well after a couple of days, that seems a bit low. Does the site say how many times the audio stream was listened to or downloaded?
I never cared for NPR, so I don't know how that operates.
 
Vic didn't apologize... Although he totally did. The only time that KV wants to bring up the apology is when it means he admitted to everything... Which he did not. Vic doesn't want to hurt anyone and this lawsuit was a last resort because his former colleagues attacked him nonstop for FOUR months before he even started this. They had plenty of opportunities to stop, correct things, or make peace... But they didn't. So, they have no right to blame Vic for the lawsuit. The lawsuit was the result of Monica, Ron, and Jamie's behavior on social media.


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The right side of history everyone.

KV: We are a peaceful, loving, accepting group of people.

Also KV: Wants Vic and everyone who supports him dead.


Hahaha. Except fans are the reason they make as much as they do. Tell me any actor, music artist or whatever that doesn't have any fans and still makes enough to get by. The voiceover work alone isn't enough to live off of. Chuck stated that he only made $12k in a year working for Funi. Tell me who can live off of that much in a year... Especially if you are paying for a house and have a family to support... It is true they don't get royalties from the anime they are in, but that's what makes it all the more important to go to cons. If you're requested by fans to go to more cons, you making more money because of the fans. Also fans paying for autographs and merchandise directly from the VAs supports them. Even though a VA gets a minimum just for showing up, their earnings can increase quite a bit with solid support from their fan base. I don't understand this guy. Fans absolutely have the right to hold VAs to a certain standard. If we get treated like shit, we just go elsewhere. It is how any business works... It is possible for people and businesses to lose their success from a loss of support.

Shane did admit that he did things at conventions that wouldn't be acceptable today. Kneon from Clownfish TV claims to know that lots of shady shit went down at anime conventions.

The entire industry has lacked professionalism and now this case might bring everything to light.

Conventions tend to hold late night parties. Usually a rave party or something to that effect. Lots of drinking at the bars where cons are held is also pretty commonplace for in the con scene... so you can imagine what kind of shenanigans would take place in those types of settings. I have never personally attended these types of parties because they're just not my thing, but you hear a lot of stories floating around out there because of them.
 
Remember that Minnesota Lawyer article that took place in late September and early October? Well, Nick actually covered it on the last livestream and, as you can imagine, it's flawed, although it’s nowhere near as bad as most blog articles covering this. The writer's name is Kevin Featherly. Here are highlights:
  1. He spelled Nick Rekieta's last name right on the photo caption, but then spells it wrong throughout the article.
  2. Featherly writes that Vic is using the GFM money to help sue "two women who took to social media to accuse him of inappropriate behavior", as well as Ron Toye and Funimation and separates them in two paragraphs, since you need to fit your your narrative
  3. Mignogna sued the defendants for 20 counts, rather than the actual 17.
  4. The judge dropped 15 charges on September 6th, as opposed to the actual 12. He at least got the other 5 claims dismissed right.
  5. Allison Cooke's infamous tweet was apparently "anonymous".
  6. Monica Rial "reposted" that tweet, which Nick says inadvertently proved that this set the stage for the firestorm.
  7. “A group of attorneys critiquing the case through the #Lawtwitter hashtag also got sucked into the controversy".
  8. The relationship between Rikieta and Vic is "hard to gauge", even though rational human beings know it's not, and then says Vic didn't know "Rikieta" before the GFM campaign was launched.
  9. He got everything about the grandfather’s trust topic mostly correct, except saying that “Rikieta” is one of the beneficiaries.
  10. “Rikieta”’s legal analysis is described between “quiet, almost cerebral” and “rough house attacks on the defense”.
  11. My favorite part of this article: “Doxxing means digging up and publishing home addresses, phone numbers and even cars owned by people so that others can target them for intimidation and harassment, often in person”.
  12. “Rikieta” refused to return any of the telephone calls to the writer...while he was in Hawaii.
  13. S. Jean Phlegmoine is referred to as “Escalation Sean Lemoine”. I’m not kidding.
  14. Featherly says that Phlegmoine filed an anti-SLAPP motion seeking to depose Nick, which isn’t true.
  15. Nick sadly reminds everyone that Vic is never going to be rehired by Funimation and Rooster Teeth now that a settlement opportunity has been thrown out of the window.
  16. After discussing Chupp and the mediation situation, Nick does an awesome rant shitting on Funimation and the defendants for what they did to Vic, all because of a stupid tweet by Hanleia.
  17. Speaking of Nick, he mocks Featherly’s sentence about Lawtwitter criticizing Nick’s behavior over “conflict of interest”
To be fair, Nick did say it was relatively fair and Featherly did get a few things right and correct. Still, it’s sad that the best we can get from a mainstream news outlet regarding this lawsuit.

It starts at around 1:16:00 if anyone’s curious.
 
Conventions tend to hold late night parties. Usually a rave party or something to that effect. Lots of drinking at the bars where cons are held is also pretty commonplace for in the con scene... so you can imagine what kind of shenanigans would take place in those types of settings. I have never personally attended these types of parties because they're just not my thing, but you hear a lot of stories floating around out there because of them.
Also, there are 18+ panels at cons where they straight up say "don't take pictures or record". And Todd Haberkorn's beef with Pridemore was the result of a drunken hookup (according to him). And given the cosplays that go on and the booze, and the socially awkward and not socially awkward people getting together for a weekend, and what goes on in hotel rooms, I'm ready to bet that there's a lot of tail chasing and smashing going on.
 
The entire industry has lacked professionalism and now this case might bring everything to light.
Anime conventions were never supposed to be an industry nor a profession. They were supposed to be a bunch of fans getting together to celebrate the stuff they loved, which is how the whole "by fans, for fans" tagline became a thing. When anime was hitting it's first boom at the turn of the century, you got a flood of casuals (think comic con getting people who saw the Lord of the Rings movies) and for a variety of reasons (some good, some bad) cons put a lot of effort into hanging onto these people that often were only really into anime for a year or two. And that's the abridged version of how cons went from being basically a larger version of 20-somethings hanging out and talking about anime at someone's house, to a new career choice for a bunch of jagoff, college dropouts.

TLDR: Early cons lacked "professionalism" because they were never supposed to be professional to begin with.
 
"The anime community is in tatters because of bad man Vic and his fans. It can heal if Vic kills himself tho. See, if he chooses to kill himself, that makes it okay because it's his choice and it just means he's guilty of everything."

Okay, big brain thonk lady.

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Also as a side note because I saw some folks throwing shade at Chuck Huber, you have to understand that he's being a shitty peacekeeper because he's trying to look out for himself. He risked everything to speak out against Funimations wierdo clique and casting couch shit and the TCPA hearing failed horrendously. Until appeals go through and are approved, Chuck is a sitting duck. He knows they could be targetting him next so he's trying to play nice with both sides to avoid this. Remember that Vic himself doesn't like any negatively, so it can be assumed that Chuck is just trying to pass on Vic's sentiments it can come off as policing. I don't like the policing by Chuck, but I can at least somewhat understand why he's doing it.
 
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