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There is a hearing Nov 21st.
Lemoine wanted to be able to ask to depose Slatosch again during that hearing.
Ty was opposed to writting in the order that the defendants would be allowed to "reurge" the question during the hearing.
Lemoine sent a letter to Chupp complaining about Ty not allowing him to put that in the order.
Chupp apparently allowed Lemoine to do as he wanted.
Now Lemoine will get to ask again to depose Slatosch.

My guess is that Chupp just wanted to shup him up, and will let him sperg during the hearing before denying it again.

Well, I believe Rekieta did state on stream that there is no preventing him to ask for a deposition at a later date. So it is just exceptional for him to want that exact date.
I do think it is for "PR" or show for the media aka. Grigsby.
 
Vic's GFM Update: It is now $260,000 on the dot. $40,000 more to go. There's going to be a lot of reeeing very shortly.
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The defendants won by having their request to depose Slatosch denied? And Chupp is siding with them? Lol, am I missing something here?

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It's like him and BT are competing on who has the least amount of brain cells.
 
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You're all a bit harsh with Shane.
Lemoine get to put the lines he wanted in the order, that's indeed a win for him, a pointless win because he could have asked again anyway, but a pointless win is still a win.
Now, it's a bit of an exageration to say that Chupp "sided with the defendants" when it clearly feels more like he just didn't give a shit, as usual.
 
If it's about how they got Lemoine involved, and it's indeed in the invoice that the clue is to be found, then here is the oldest billing entry for Lemoine:

And the striked part is one that was redacted in the document.

So could it be that they actually hire that specific lawyer in order to delay the process and increase the bill?
Everything that is redacted is basically "how to waste time", even the "potential defenses to raise" if you think about it.
Are those dumb games actually Lemoine's speciality?


Stalling and defaming Vic until somebody came forward with actual evidence was always KV's plan, it has never changed. Right now, those games are at a dead end since they've run out of things to put on the record.

Also, funny how Shane visits the farms to try and convince us that the case is over, Vic lost, and that KF has been paying attention to the wrong people. Not even days later Sabat comes out of his hole to display he is the real sex pest.

Truly a shoe eating idiot until the end.
 
It's like him and BT are competing on who has the least amount of brain cells.
Shane is the dumbest human ever, period.

No contest. Your first mistake was assuming helmet wearing troglodytes are human.

Yes Shane is in fact human. A primitive unevolved human, but still human.
 
Well, I believe Rekieta did state on stream that there is no preventing him to ask for a deposition at a later date. So it is just exceptional for him to want that exact date.
I do think it is for "PR" or show for the media aka. Grigsby.

JSL wants the judge to believe that there is a smoking gun out there that proves Vic and Ty KNEW that Vic's suit was total bullshit, but decided to file the suit anyways. In JSL's version of events, Slatosch communicated facts to Ty that showed the Vic lawsuit was flatly bullshit, and Ty didn't care. I'm calling JSL's theory the "Flat Slatosch Conspiracy."

JSL is going to the court asking for permission to get more evidence to prove the "Flat Slatosch Conspiracy." He says that the only people with full knowledge of the conspiracy are Slatosch, who he can't get permission to depose, and Ty, who is generally immune from being required to testify against his client (with exceptions).

An aside here on a legal term: The judge probably sees the Flat Slatosch Conspiracy as a collateral matter. A collateral matter is a dispute that is loosely related to the dispute in front of the court and doesn't necessarily need to be resolved, but would have some probative effect.

For example: Imagine I'm being sued for sexually harassing my secretary. In testifying for this suit, I'm asked how I got to the office on the day in question. In reality, I drove my car, but I decide to lie and tell the judge/jury/whoever that I jogged to work so everyone thinks I'm a health nut. The secretary's lawyer now wants to put on evidence that I'm a liar on the issue, because being a liar makes me look bad. However, the collateral evidence rule says that the Court can't hear additional evidence on whether I jogged to work or drove my car; it's purely collateral to the question of whether I illegally diddled my secretary.

Back to Vic:
JSL, though he longs to show his Flat Slatosch Conspiracy to the world, can't get the evidence he wants from either Slatosch or Ty. Under normal circumstances, a Judge would say "tough shit," and move on. But this case has been a little exceptional from the outset, and so Chupp is holding off a decision.

In Vic's case, the questions remaining are: 1) "what is the reasonable amount of attorney's fees" and 2) "what is a reasonable sanction to deter Vic from filing additional lawsuits." Slatosch's testimony probably won't effect issue #2, unless it's something really unusualsuch as testimony that "Ty bribed me to lie on this affidavit." Almost anything else Slatosch might say would be collateral evidence; i.e. evidence that is not relevant to the amount to sanction Vic.

In most cases, the chances of a witness offering undisclosed outcome-changing testimony at this stage is so trivial that a judge wouldn't allow for a deposition AFTER ATTORNEY'S FEES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. But again, this is an exceptional case.

What Chupp is probably thinking is that JSL has at least some evidence of the Flat Slatosch Conspiracy, otherwise he wouldn't so thirsty for Slatosch's depo. If JSL can convince Chupp that the Flat Slatosch Conspiracy is real, then JSL probably gets his deposition. This should require a lot from JSL; he has to prove at the hearing that Slatosch's likely testimony isn't merely going to show that Slatosch lied in his affidavit, because that would be purely collateral.

Without knowing what cards JSL is holding, it's impossible to know whether this is going to work. And it all may be a bluff, anyways. JSL may not have anything to support his Flat Slatosch Conspiracy, and he's just trying to jerk Ty around. In any event, this Judge will allow the Ty-jerking to continue (for now, at least).
 
JSL wants the judge to believe that there is a smoking gun out there that proves Vic and Ty KNEW that Vic's suit was total bullshit, but decided to file the suit anyways. In JSL's version of events, Slatosch communicated facts to Ty that showed the Vic lawsuit was flatly bullshit, and Ty didn't care. I'm calling JSL's theory the "Flat Slatosch Conspiracy."

JSL is going to the court asking for permission to get more evidence to prove the "Flat Slatosch Conspiracy." He says that the only people with full knowledge of the conspiracy are Slatosch, who he can't get permission to depose, and Ty, who is generally immune from being required to testify against his client (with exceptions).

An aside here on a legal term: The judge probably sees the Flat Slatosch Conspiracy as a collateral matter. A collateral matter is a dispute that is loosely related to the dispute in front of the court and doesn't necessarily need to be resolved, but would have some probative effect.

For example: Imagine I'm being sued for sexually harassing my secretary. In testifying for this suit, I'm asked how I got to the office on the day in question. In reality, I drove my car, but I decide to lie and tell the judge/jury/whoever that I jogged to work so everyone thinks I'm a health nut. The secretary's lawyer now wants to put on evidence that I'm a liar on the issue, because being a liar makes me look bad. However, the collateral evidence rule says that the Court can't hear additional evidence on whether I jogged to work or drove my car; it's purely collateral to the question of whether I illegally diddled my secretary.

Back to Vic:
JSL, though he longs to show his Flat Slatosch Conspiracy to the world, can't get the evidence he wants from either Slatosch or Ty. Under normal circumstances, a Judge would say "tough shit," and move on. But this case has been a little exceptional from the outset, and so Chupp is holding off a decision.

In Vic's case, the questions remaining are: 1) "what is the reasonable amount of attorney's fees" and 2) "what is a reasonable sanction to deter Vic from filing additional lawsuits." Slatosch's testimony probably won't effect issue #2, unless it's something really unusualsuch as testimony that "Ty bribed me to lie on this affidavit." Almost anything else Slatosch might say would be collateral evidence; i.e. evidence that is not relevant to the amount to sanction Vic.

In most cases, the chances of a witness offering undisclosed outcome-changing testimony at this stage is so trivial that a judge wouldn't allow for a deposition AFTER ATTORNEY'S FEES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. But again, this is an exceptional case.

What Chupp is probably thinking is that JSL has at least some evidence of the Flat Slatosch Conspiracy, otherwise he wouldn't so thirsty for Slatosch's depo. If JSL can convince Chupp that the Flat Slatosch Conspiracy is real, then JSL probably gets his deposition. This should require a lot from JSL; he has to prove at the hearing that Slatosch's likely testimony isn't merely going to show that Slatosch lied in his affidavit, because that would be purely collateral.

Without knowing what cards JSL is holding, it's impossible to know whether this is going to work. And it all may be a bluff, anyways. JSL may not have anything to support his Flat Slatosch Conspiracy, and he's just trying to jerk Ty around. In any event, this Judge will allow the Ty-jerking to continue (for now, at least).

Well thinking back to his questioning in the depo. He'd kill a 'full' answer once he got the bit he wanted.
I can easily see it go something akin to:
"Did BHBH threatene you with a lawsuit?"
"Yes. You see there wa..."
"So he did threatened you with a lawsuit?"
"Yes, but ...."
"He threatened you with a lawsuit."

Without full context, and the opposing councel being able to depose or question, it would look like blackmail. To normies who think 'omg so extreme to go with lawsuit for breaking contract' is also an audience. That being said: there is also the arguement that 'hey you gave him a new contract so no damages done right'. Err, wrong, cause Team MoRonica had people withdraw and break their contracts with the con, cause exceptionalism. Something that will probably never surface.

Presenting "Evidence" without context, and lying by omission is quite the norm in this case.

Small add on before I head offline again:
I am rather wondering if they have been on a 'calling-round' to some witnesses. Applying some pressure/blackmail/reminding them where money come from, threatening a suit. Whatever. Huber went sort of special, but imagine trying the same shit on someone like Slatosch that deals with contracts on the regular and who is a bit more thick-skinned. He may not have flipped at all. So the solution becomes to accuse him of perjury to slag his good name in the community and be a dbag in all ways possible. To destroy his career too.
 
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Give it a rest already, BT. No one cares about you.

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Let me take a wild guess here... The person that said that 9 years ago was an angry fujo...

Sounds like the firms may be double dipping and charging both for their own work and the work of other firms, while those firms are themselves claiming the same hours.


The potential problem of Lemonhead being brought into the case does make me curious as well. There are a lot of things that were redacted in the filings when it came to their requests for fees and sanctions. They seem like their up to a lot of shady shot and I would absolutely love to see them finally get punished for it. It's always annoying to see them get away with so much for so long.

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Sure, they were ultimately denied, but it looks like Lemonhead got his "reurge" wording thrown in there. Lemonhead is the screaming toddler that is misbehaving at the store and Chupp is the parent that rewards him with a piece of candy to keep him quiet temporarily. If he keeps getting away with the small stuff, Lemonhead is going to continue the bullshit.

That was some weird interactions between Sabat and that other voice actress. It does seem like harmless banter between friends at first... But after Clickenbeard's story about how he used her voice to make a porno thing... and just how he makes sexual jokes about all his female coworkers makes it seem like Sabat is a real slimeball. He treats all the Funi women like his own damn property. It's gross. That's why it is utter horseshit to fire Vic over a nonsexual joke about a jellybean. Monica only felt that the joke was sexual because she hangs around Sabat too much. At Funi, Sabat is king and can get away with just about anything. I know people at my workplace would get fired in a heartbeat if they saw one of my coworkers talking like that to another coworker on social media.
 
Stalling and defaming Vic until somebody came forward with actual evidence was always KV's plan, it has never changed. Right now, those games are at a dead end since they've run out of things to put on the record.

Also, funny how Shane visits the farms to try and convince us that the case is over, Vic lost, and that KF has been paying attention to the wrong people. Not even days later Sabat comes out of his hole to display he is the real sex pest.

Truly a shoe eating idiot until the end.
My take is stalling is to prevent a successful Round 2 start.

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First rule of Twitter stardom, you are ALWAYS either winning or being wrongfully victimized.
 
Why do these guys have the stupidest avatars on Twitter?
Do they also have pronouns in their bios?
Speaking of John Oliver.

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Thanks for reminding me about that hearing. What are the predictions for sanctions here?
You're all a bit harsh with Shane.
Lemoine get to put the lines he wanted in the order, that's indeed a win for him, a pointless win because he could have asked again anyway, but a pointless win is still a win.
Now, it's a bit of an exageration to say that Chupp "sided with the defendants" when it clearly feels more like he just didn't give a shit, as usual.
Eh, if Nick’s analysis is right, he’s just trying to pad his bill because Monica REALLY wants Vic flipping burgers.
 
That Sabat stuff was awkward even by my standards.

Wonder if any of Nick's sources has anything on Erica Lindbeck.
What's really awkward when you think about it, is this woman is the current Barbie VA. Imagine young girls googling her and coming across Weebstein discussing Nemekian sexuality with her and asking her if she is still horny, and them talking about his sticky couch.
 
If it's about how they got Lemoine involved, and it's indeed in the invoice that the clue is to be found, then here is the oldest billing entry for Lemoine:

And the striked part is one that was redacted in the document.

So could it be that they actually hire that specific lawyer in order to delay the process and increase the bill?
Everything that is redacted is basically "how to waste time", even the "potential defenses to raise" if you think about it.
Are those dumb games actually Lemoine's speciality?


Ok hippotetically, would it be bad if Lemoine got refered by Sabat to MoRon? Probably not.

But what if he was refered to them and is working as their lawyer, but that is not his main goal, his main goal is to delay the lawsuit as much as possible and to increase the costs for the plaintiff as much as he can and he is doing that because Sabat hired him under the table just to try and avoid getting sued?

How bad would be that? Any lawyers that can give a more detailed analysis?
 
Yeah, probably. I'm not in Rockaway, I'm before Rockaway over the bridge. A lot of Rockaway is still shit. Lots of piss poor areas with tons of low income housing and a lot of blacks and puerto ricans. Tons of crime and shootings - especially the lower down you go. The touristy areas in the summer are like B116 (bay 116) down to like B 92 at best. You can't go above 116 really because that's money up there and the beaches become private. Below 92 is where it starts to get really ugly and no one goes down there. The tourists act as a barrier between the crime ridden minorities and the wealthy.

Let's put it this way, there's a toll bridge to get into Rockaway to get to the beach. But you can also enter Rockaway all the way at the bottom without the toll bridge and basically drive up to get to B116. But it's obviously starting at the bottom in the shit neighborhood and driving through it to get to B116. I don't know a single person who doesn't want to pay the toll. No one wants to drive through lower Rockaway. And if you do, you don't stop at the red lights.

TL;DR: Probably section 8. Most of Rockaway is a crime ridden shithole filled with minorities. The ultra touristy area that's loaded with hipsters all summer looking for NY cred is an extremely small section of Rockaway.
 
Christ, he looks like the kid from The Goonies that used to do the Truffle Shuffle.


Although at least the actual Truffle Shuffle kid moved on to do something for himself unlike this reprobate.

Ironically, this kid aged the best out of all the cast in a reunion shot from a few years ago. Probably late, but I'm two days behind on pages, and on mobile else I'd find a link.
 
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