Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Wendig is the perfect example of every single thing I hate about so-called writing professionals. Overpromoted, mostly untalented, and a relentless gatekeeper over a medium he isn't fit to carry the jockstrap for. If you haven't seen the takedown of Wendig's work in a format where you don't need to read it, I urge you to do so and get a grasp of just how much of an untalented shit this guy is.
Some of this writing is straight out of the "Repercussions of Evil" Doom Fanfic. Only far less entertaining.

The biggest observation I've made is that the most vocal SJWs believe that the solution to socioeconomic issues is not to work to raise up those deemed underprivileged but to emphatically bring down or abase those seen as over privileged. Instead of efforts to boost, improve, or better the people struggling in some way, they instead adopt the immature childlike attitude of, "If we can't be happy/successfully/financially secure, nobody else deserves to be." That attitude and approach does nothing to resolves the issues they want addressed and only further the us vs. them attitude and drives a deeper wedge between people.
Someone once put it nicely:

Activists want to add ramps to buildings, so people in a wheelchair can access them, too.
SJWs want to remove stairs, cause they could be offensive to people in wheelchairs.

SJWs not only want to drag people down and make them miserable, they are also obsessed with putting the entire world into a cotton-filled box, where nothing can ever hurt (or challenge) them in any way. If it makes them the tiniest bit uncomfortable, it has to be removed or changed. They can't fathom that anyone would ever disagree and they can't imagine that someone disagreeing might have a valid reason to do so.
And everything is at all times an attack on them, their values or their opinions.
 
It's annoying. It's really annoying.

Writing like this. Small sentences. Always pausing. Breaking any sense of flow - that which long texts should have - to make it seem like you're reading someone's twitter.

Is that why? Has spending so much time on twitter caused this?, he asks - though knowing Chucklefuckle won't answer his doubts.

One thing is for certain: buying Star Wars books, he will not be.
 
It's annoying. It's really annoying.

Writing like this. Small sentences. Always pausing. Breaking any sense of flow - that which long texts should have - to make it seem like you're reading someone's twitter.

Is that why? Has spending so much time on twitter caused this?, he asks - though knowing Chucklefuckle won't answer his doubts.

One thing is for certain: buying Star Wars books, he will not be.

I know, it's like reading a fucking Googleshng!
 
I think at the moment it's good. Might even watch the season if it stays in quality and so long as it isn't building to one big arc or whatever for the whole show, yeah.

I also really liked Darkhorse's take on Star Wars and also will give credit to some EU material (mostly the games tbf since that's what I touched). Just because I'm full of hate and invective doesn't mean that's all there is.
I've said it before, but the best hope the Mandalorian has for longevity is to just cut all ties to Disney shit and cut any sequel references and stick only to stories like those in the second episode while avoiding that stupid First Order/Disney sequel tie-in plot the writers won't shut up about. Or just have it be set it in its own continuity separated from everything else. I admit, I didn't like the first episode at all except for a scene or three. The second episode was a vast improvement over the first and was probably the only other good thing to come from Disney since the Anakin & Obi-Wan comic book mini series years ago. The third episode was a prominent step down from the second, but still better than the first. I also appreciate Filoni's claim that he doesn't want this shit to go against the old EU/Legends, but I take any claim he or anyone under Disney makes with a huge chunk of salt, and even if this show does turn out to be good or produce more episodes on par with the second episode, I still don't feel obliged to give Disney any support after all the bullshit they've pulled these last 7 abysmal years under them which should've been a prosperous new era, but instead it was disappointment after disappointment, a wasted reunion now that Carrie and Peter have passed, demonizing fans, polluting the fanbase with woke idiots and Twilight spergs, and pretty much just fucking up every corner of SW. These fuckers deserve to fail for all the damage they've caused, something even the prequels didn't achieve to such a level. Also Disney+ seems like a huge fucking scam just like every other new streaming service coming out. Best thing for the brand would be to either be put out of its misery or be sold to a company that might actually give a damn, which is very VERY unlikely.
 
Hey, if you want to spite us by throwing your hard-earned cash at a movie that cannot, possibly, be good, owing simply to the sheer number of reshoots it's gone through, you feel free. I hope you have fun at it.

But if you think this movie is going to succeed financially, however, you're completely deluded. It literally can't. By now, reshoots alone and a rotating spree of writers and editors have caused the budget to baloon considerably, and while Disney won't actually release the numbers because it would immediately make it clear, those reshoots aren't cheap. The ones that Solo alone went through made it cost nearly half a billion dollars.

All evidence is that they've now got no less than three completely different re-cuts of the movie at this point, something backed up by the different test audience screenings, which means, going by the previous movies, the budget for this one is going to have bloated to a billion or more once marketing is factored in.

Now let's talk audiences. Movies have been failing harder and harder recently, and woke movies in particular, so Rise of the Skywalker already has that hurdle to climb going in. The problem is that this movie has effectively killed the franchise for its core fans. In the west, Star Wars fans that once would have just hoped for a good movie are now watching and salivating over the prospect of this movie failing, so that the House of Mouse finally gets a financial bloody nose for its hubris, and they will not see it in any format they have to pay for it. China, a market that Disney has thrown everything to break into, has zero interest.

In Star Wars. A fucking franchise that used to market itself, and now can't.

If rumor as to who you are is accurate, then you know exactly why people like us are mocking this thing. You've been on the recieving end of many a script that even your talents can't begin to salvage. But in case you aren't and don't, I'll give it to you square:

The new trilogy is a shoddily-made, shoddily written mess with no overarching vision going into it, shows no respect for its heritage, and ultimately destroys everything of value or substance about the franchise itself, seemingly out of spite, and it's far from the only movie this year to have done this. I don't know where this sudden obssession with undermining and eviscerating the core characters and premises of existing franchises came from, but it's wreaked failure after embarassing failure, and this movie will fare no better.
If I may disagree a bit, i don't think TRS will fail per se. I do expect it to make bank, though by much much narrower margins than Disney would ever be happy with due to poor fan hype (to put it lightly) and the aforementioned reshoots.
Put simply, there are too many people just not interested in the behind the scenes stuff for it to have an impact large enough to tank the movie outright. The general moviegoing audience will go see it, though I suspect much less than even TLJ due to... well, TLJ.
 
If I may disagree a bit, i don't think TRS will fail per se. I do expect it to make bank, though by much much narrower margins than Disney would ever be happy with due to poor fan hype (to put it lightly) and the aforementioned reshoots.
Put simply, there are too many people just not interested in the behind the scenes stuff for it to have an impact large enough to tank the movie outright. The general moviegoing audience will go see it, though I suspect much less than even TLJ due to... well, TLJ.
I'm not certain on this man, since TLJ only netted 1.3 billion, which while big... is a hell of a drop off from what TFA did. There's also just no hype to it; to give you an idea, kids I've worked with actively said "I don't care about/like Star Wars" when a rare internet ad for Fall of Skywalker played on a video I was playing.

The kids of normies have no fucking interest. It's fucked.
 
I'm not certain on this man, since TLJ only netted 1.3 billion, which while big... is a hell of a drop off from what TFA did. There's also just no hype to it; to give you an idea, kids I've worked with actively said "I don't care about/like Star Wars" when a rare internet ad for Fall of Skywalker played on a video I was playing.

The kids of normies have no fucking interest. It's fucked.
What you are talking about is not quite the same. Let me elucidate.

A big franchise universe (Star Wars, marvel, DCU, etc) relies on two sources of income.
1: The initial movie profits. We all agree this will be low, I just disagree its going to be lower than budget.
2: The ongoing revenue. This is your toys, your licenses, your merchandising at large.

The first I will argue will likely make budget. The movie isn't experiencing AS extensive of reshoots as Solo, and I highly doubt that the budget will surpass 600 million which is the bare minimum I'd expect it to make at worst. That would be, I'd note, twice the budget of TLJ.

The second of those two streams, the ones that for example Kids would be heavily invested in, is -fucked-.

People are doing a little conflating of the two, but the math doesn't check out for the first flopping to a loss. The math for the laaaatter though. Well. The toys don't sell, the theme park is comparatively deserted, and none of the extended media has sold well. Their merchandising is fucked, because while the 'fandom menace' as I have heard it called is a minority for the initial ticket sales, it is also the group that pays to see the movies more than once, that buys the merchandising, that heavily INVESTS.
 
What you are talking about is not quite the same. Let me elucidate.

A big franchise universe (Star Wars, marvel, DCU, etc) relies on two sources of income.
1: The initial movie profits. We all agree this will be low, I just disagree its going to be lower than budget.
2: The ongoing revenue. This is your toys, your licenses, your merchandising at large.

The first I will argue will likely make budget. The movie isn't experiencing AS extensive of reshoots as Solo, and I highly doubt that the budget will surpass 600 million which is the bare minimum I'd expect it to make at worst. That would be, I'd note, twice the budget of TLJ.

The second of those two streams, the ones that for example Kids would be heavily invested in, is -fucked-.

People are doing a little conflating of the two, but the math doesn't check out for the first flopping to a loss. The math for the laaaatter though. Well. The toys don't sell, the theme park is comparatively deserted, and none of the extended media has sold well. Their merchandising is fucked, because while the 'fandom menace' as I have heard it called is a minority for the initial ticket sales, it is also the group that pays to see the movies more than once, that buys the merchandising, that heavily INVESTS.
And you're not getting I was not talking about toys at all when I made this comment. At no point did I bring up toys before you decided to go down that path yourself. I said, clearly, that the kids had no interest in the upcoming movie dude.

That's a big audience that traditionally goes to them done already.
 
And you're not getting I was not talking about toys at all when I made this comment. At no point did I bring up toys before you decided to go down that path yourself. I said, clearly, that the kids had no interest in the upcoming movie dude.

That's a big audience that traditionally goes to them done already.
You said you expected the movie itself to flop. I pointed out it'd need to make under 600 Million. I then pointed out that the real money comes with merchandising, which is where they are actually likely to be fucked and make massive losses.
 
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If I may disagree a bit, i don't think TRS will fail per se. I do expect it to make bank, though by much much narrower margins than Disney would ever be happy with due to poor fan hype (to put it lightly) and the aforementioned reshoots.
Put simply, there are too many people just not interested in the behind the scenes stuff for it to have an impact large enough to tank the movie outright. The general moviegoing audience will go see it, though I suspect much less than even TLJ due to... well, TLJ.
A sad possibility considering most movie-goers hardly watch movies and are just there to loaf around after drinking, kill time, fuck, scream or chatter on or text endlessly on their phone. At best they'll just glimpse back and forth at the movie, which seems to be becoming even rarer.

Hell, when we went to see the new Godzilla back in summer, it was nothing but people squawking and screeching while ushers did absolutely nothing. King Ghidorah fucking pops up and all we can hear is the sounds of some screeching parrots and howler monkeys (they're not reacting to Ghidorah, they've been like this for 20 minutes) while some kids start throwing ice cubes everywhere. And its been the same in almost every theater we've tried, making it so the only good time to see a movie is near the end of its run.

And speaking of King Ghidorah.
King Gidorah on Star Wars.jpg
 
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You said you expected the movie itself to flop. I pointed out it'd need to make under 600 Million. I then pointed out that the real money comes with merchandising, which is where they are actually likely to be fucked and make massive losses.
And you put words in my mouth again... I disagreed with you on it making bank. There is a difference between that and flopping dude. My main point was that kids aren't interested in seeing the films, not that it'd flop.

I've been pretty open about it's potential profits. I've been predicting between 750m - 1.1b box office wise for a while now.
 
A sad possibility considering most movie-goers hardly watch movies and are just there to loaf around after drinking, kill time, fuck, scream or chatter on or text endlessly on their phone. At best they'll just glimpse back and forth at the movie, which seems to be becoming even rarer.

Hell, when we went to see the new Godzilla back in summer, it was nothing but people squawking and screeching while ushers did absolutely nothing. King Ghidorah fucking pops up and all we can hear is the sounds of some screeching parrots and howler monkeys while some kids start throwing ice cubes everywhere. And its been the same in almost every theater we've tried, making it so the only good time to see a movie is near the end of its run.

And speaking of King Ghidorah.
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I sincerely WISH it were to bomb like hiroshima, but alas the math does not check out for that being likely. I take solace in known any form of long term longevity is absolutely cratered though.
 
Wendig is the perfect example of every single thing I hate about so-called writing professionals. Overpromoted, mostly untalented, and a relentless gatekeeper over a medium he isn't fit to carry the jockstrap for. If you haven't seen the takedown of Wendig's work in a format where you don't need to read it, I urge you to do so and get a grasp of just how much of an untalented shit this guy is.
Even reading that excerpt was like nails on chalkboard. What's with the misuse of dashes and fragmented sentences? Why is the word choice so simplistic and something straight out of grade school? Wedge did not even sound like Wedge. (At least from Rogue Squadron et al).

How is this hack being paid to write such drivel?
 
It's annoying. It's really annoying.

Writing like this. Small sentences. Always pausing. Breaking any sense of flow - that which long texts should have - to make it seem like you're reading someone's twitter.

Is that why? Has spending so much time on twitter caused this?, he asks - though knowing Chucklefuckle won't answer his doubts.

One thing is for certain: buying Star Wars books, he will not be.
It feels like Chuck is attempting to be "relatable" and "realistic" and quirky and all that focus group bullshit with his writing.
The problem being that he is both completely talentless and the style is just inherently shit in the first place.
Thus the cancer on page.
 
A general breakdown of why this is screwed audience-wise is as follows:

1. The core fanbase is gone. This may only be a relatively small segment of the moviegoing public, but they're the assholes your franchise is built on. They're the ones who can build word of mouth, they're the ones that get others invested, go to repeat screenings, buy merch, and the ones that will travel to attend a Star Wars event. Those people now actively want the franchise to die, so those aspects of your audience are now gone.

2. China gives zero fucks. Not even seperating Star Wars from the license was enough to make it not shit in China's eyes. So the biggest audience, the one that generally allows trash like the Transformers movies to turn a profit, won't be there for this movie.

3. Average moviegoers have no idea what the fuck this thing is even about, and the trailers have given no indication of it. Enthusiasm is at an all-time low and every delay, every scrap of bad news, and every article pre-emptively dismissing criticism as sexism makes people care less.

4. Wokeshit has been doing worse and worse because people have essentially put together that the more Progressive pandering is in a movie, and the more the mainstream critics love it, the harder it's going to suck.

5. Kids don't care. Period.

The only audience they can count on is casuals and the dipshit how-dare-these-nerds-oppress-this-poor-multibillion-dollar-corporation crowd. One of whom provably won't care and one of which doesn't have the numbers.

I see this movie financially falling on its face at best, and tanking like the Jets at worst.

Even reading that excerpt was like nails on chalkboard. What's with the misuse of dashes and fragmented sentences? Why is the word choice so simplistic and something straight out of grade school? Wedge did not even sound like Wedge. (At least from Rogue Squadron et al).

How is this hack being paid to write such drivel?

Sci-Fi communities as a whole got ideologically captured by Progressives ages ago. Whether you're talking about fandom sites, the Hugo Awards, they're all infested with these assclowns. Once they had control of these communities, they decided they were going to use their authority to first keep out people who didn't agree with them politically, and later, to keep out people more talented than they are. The end result of this has been the writing community in Sci-Fi bleeding talent and not replacing it, ironically causing a race to the bottom, where the most likely candidates to win are the ones who charge the least and believe the right horse-shit.

Wendig does both. He's a constant progressive sperg, he never shuts the fuck up about Trump, he aggressively goes after anyone who dares point out who and what he is, and he works for the economic equivalent of roots and grass.

Chuck is the endgame of the paradigm progressives have established in Sci-Fi; a completely untalented hack who got where he is by kissing the right ass and hating the right people. The perfect blend of outright incompetence and giggling fucking contempt for his critics that comes from the fact that he performed absolutely zero work to get where he is and is using his position to try to hold back the talent of people thousands of times more qualified. The sort of person who will unironically insult Tolkien and claim his own verbal diarrhea is nothing short of the second coming of Christ in literary format.
 
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