Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

ArashiVixen said:
the only good thing about the new trilogy is Finn. Hes just more interesting as a character while Rey is dull and boring.
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He was, but given that Disney is unwilling to explore their one original idea (Stormtroopers are people) his character arc concluded when he stood up to Kylo Ren. That's why he was stuck on a useless sidequest and probably why Boyega had to fight for screentime in Plan IX: what is there for him to do at this point beyond tag along with the characters who can actually do shit?
 
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verissimus said:
Maybe John Boyega is starting to channel from his character. He's breaking Disney's conditioning!
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John Boyega has been vocal in the past about his disappointment regarding how Disney have handled Star Wars. I honestly wouldn't put it past him to pull a stunt like this.

Makes me think about what he's going to say once the Disney trilogy is over and he and everyone else are free to shit all over this garbage.
 
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I'm feeling nostalgic tonight...
Just imagine, when this was recorded "A New Hope" (then simply called "Star Wars") was the only bit of Star Wars that existed, and it was only a year old at the time if even that...

I wasn't alive back then, but I do find myself wondering if people back then could even fathom that over the next 40ish years Star Wars would become a massive cultural phenomenon for multiple generations over, turn to utter shit... And then Disney would buy it and somehow make it even worse.
Also Jesus, I just did the math and Bill Murray was in his late 20's in that vid.. Fuck I feel old.
 
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ArashiVixen said:
the only good thing about the new trilogy is Finn. Hes just more interesting as a character while Rey is dull and boring.
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The concept of Finn is potentially really interesting. The actual character Finn is a terrible waste of that potential. If you'll forgive me for quoting myself instead of retyping what I wrote the last time we talked about this:
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I just wanted to highlight and expand on this thought because it's incredible how badly the premise of the Finn character was wasted in implementation. The general concept of a character raised and indoctrinated by the bad guys to be one of their elite soldiers, who comes to realize that he is serving evil and makes the choice to reject them? That's potentially really compelling and it's something we'd never seen (onscreen) in Star Wars before. Does he struggle to overcome his lifetime of conditioning while seeing the galaxy through new eyes? Does he feel torn about fighting his former comrades, knowing that any one of them could have been him a short time ago?

But beyond his introduction scene, Finn does not act at all like you would naturally expect from his background. From the second he decides to leave, he's blowing away First Order troopers with no remorse. He cracks wise. He's a bumbling exceptional individual, bizarrely placed as the comic relief sidekick for Poe and then Rey in TFA. He's utterly unserious and totally incompetent. It almost feels like he was originally two completely different characters that were merged in a script revision.

Incidentally, the background given to Rey (hayseed orphan from a shithole planet with no formal education or training) would have worked a lot better as the clumsy buffoon of the duo.
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Junk Dog said:
Honestly, a movie about a stormtrooper holding his friend as he dies, realizing that war is hell and then getting severe PTSD would've been more interesting than the shit they gave us.
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This is more or less the B-plot of Timothy Zahn's (now non-canon) novel Allegiance, which was set between ANH and ESB.

A squad of regular stormtroopers, responding to reports of rebel activity, are instead ordered to shoot a bunch of unarmed civilians. One of the troopers experiences misgivings about the morality of what they're doing and avoids participating in the massacre, although he is emotionally scarred by what he witnesses (gee, sounds somewhat familiar so far). This sets off a chain of events that eventually lead to the squad being confronted by and accidentally killing an Imperial gestapo officer. They escape, and are forced to grapple with their disillusionment about the true nature of the Empire and their service as they attempt to stay ahead of pursuing Imperial forces. Basically, they act like you would expect real people to in their circumstances, and it makes for a pretty compelling story. Not Zahn's best work, but I thought it was a good concept executed competently.
 
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Alto said:
The sequel trilogy should have just been about Finn. Three movies chronicling his arc from brainwashed soldier to badass hero helping the OT trio along the way.

I don't mind the concept of Rey but it's impossible to write a likable, balanced female lead these days.
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Agree. I think you can write a balanced, likeable female lead... if you're Japanese. Or Russian. Or anyone outside of the fart-huffing Hollywood ecosystem.
 
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Alto said:
The sequel trilogy should have just been about Finn. Three movies chronicling his arc from brainwashed soldier to badass hero helping the OT trio along the way.

I don't mind the concept of Rey but it's impossible to write a likable, balanced female lead these days.
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Finn should have just been the protagonist of Rogue One. I highly doubt his story arc could ever have been spread out well for 3 movies.
 
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Alto said:
The sequel trilogy should have just been about Finn. Three movies chronicling his arc from brainwashed soldier to badass hero helping the OT trio along the way.

I don't mind the concept of Rey but it's impossible to write a likable, balanced female lead these days.
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2 Movies in, and even compared to the other awful characters in this trilogy, (Aside from Rose Tico, who seems to only exist to not make Finn not look so pathetic, as she is significantly more useless) I shudder to think how bad that's gonna be after the cavalry (space) horses...
 
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UnKillFill said:
2 Movies in, and even compared to the other awful characters in this trilogy, (Aside from Rose Tico, who seems to only exist to not make Finn not look so pathetic, as she is significantly more useless) I shudder to think how bad that's gonna be after the cavalry (space) horses...
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I might have prompted this before in the GoT thread, but it deserves repeating. Who wants to place their bets whether this movie will be worse than GoT season 8? I'll say yes if they have Rey go super ultra uber dominus saiyan when she beats Palpatine.
 
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verissimus said:
I might have prompted this before in the GoT thread, but it deserves repeating. Who wants to place their bets whether this movie will be worse than GoT season 8? I'll say yes if they have Rey go super ultra uber dominus saiyan when she beats Palpatine.
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Depends on which one of the (all terrible, admittedly 'rumored') cuts they end up going with... [Some are worse than others] I still see no good coming from this.
 
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verissimus said:
I might have prompted this before in the GoT thread, but it deserves repeating. Who wants to place their bets whether this movie will be worse than GoT season 8? I'll say yes if they have Rey go super ultra uber dominus saiyan when she beats Palpatine.
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It's gonna be more rushed, certainly; as bad as S8 was, most elements followed semi-logically from things that had been set up before hand, just with "playing EUIV at 5X speed" pacing and shortcuts. The Resistence is effectively dead at the end of TLJ, meaning that they basically need to do three movies' worth of work in RoS.
 
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Characters I think had potential in the ST:

* Hux. I wanted him to be the new big bad of the trilogy. Like an amalgamation of Tarkin and Thrawn, he could be the Machiavellian mastermind who uses his intellect and emotional manipulations to strike fear in the hearts of even the most powerful force users.
* Kylo Ren. He could have been a better executed Jacen Solo. Get rid of his obsession with Vader, first and foremost. It does nothing besides pander to the audience.
* Finn. Just make him black Kyle Katarn.
* Rey. Keeping her OP would be alright if it resulted in her naturally succumbing to her ego and becoming a dangerous Sith/Dark Jedi, resulting in a tense three way conflict between Finn and the resistance, Hux and the FO, and a rogue Rey.

A guy can dream...
 
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GeneralFriendliness said:
So Daisy threw Boyega under the bus to save her own flat ass even after he already got screwed over by Disney? Gee, and people were telling me Disney was supposed to be progressive and inclusive.
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verissimus said:
Maybe John Boyega is starting to channel from his character. He's breaking Disney's conditioning!
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Boyega has hated the way his character has been treated since the beginning. His character honestly had the most potential as a former storm trooper who breaks the conditioning.

Alto said:
The sequel trilogy should have just been about Finn. Three movies chronicling his arc from brainwashed soldier to badass hero helping the OT trio along the way.

I don't mind the concept of Rey but it's impossible to write a likable, balanced female lead these days.
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I've read that most people think this. Rey isn't even a character, its a joke that there's a chase scene and she just doesn't use her massive force powers to just crush everything in her way.
 
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ArashiVixen said:
I believe in Force Awakens they hinted at him being force sensitive. He was able to wield a light saber pretty well and put up a decent fight against Kylo before he got his back slashed. There was also the scene were he hears the screams of people before he looks up at the sky to see star killer base destroying an entire system of planets. Its similar to how Kenobi felt the people of Alderaan die in A New Hope.
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I disagree though about Finn being force sensitive because of that scene from TFA, Han also used a lightsaber in ESB. I think anybody can use a lightsaber (see Han, Grevious, Finn, etc.), it's just a weapon.
That said, I would've liked a Star Wars movie where the main character is not force sensitive but he/she has a sidekick who is a Force user.

Secret Asshole said:
Boyega has hated the way his character has been treated since the beginning.
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True and he even said several times on Twitter that he wouldn't hide his feelings if they fuck with his character. Given how he recently found out that a lot of people actually like his character and that they wish he had actual character development makes me think that it's only a matter of time before he starts acting like Hamill.
 
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