US "The Squad" Megathread - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib Derangement Syndrome

I honestly only know about American politics from what I read on the Internet but since we all love shitting on leftists I figured we'd get a kick out of this. Also it's trending on Twitter so you know it's important.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...irect=on&noredirect=on&utm_term=.960552c9ba53

NEW YORK — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old political novice running on a low budget and an unabashedly liberal platform, upset longtime U.S. Rep. Joseph Crowley on Tuesday in the Democratic congressional primary in New York.

The surprise victory by the community organizer in a district that includes parts of the Bronx and Queens came after an energetic, grassroots campaign that mustered more than enough support in a low-turnout race that many had expected to be an easy win for Crowley, a member of the Democratic House leadership.

“The community is ready for a movement of economic and social justice. That is what we tried to deliver,” said Ocasio-Cortez, who has never held elected office and whose candidacy attracted only modest media attention.

She told The Associated Press after her victory that she didn’t have enough money to do polling in the race, but felt in her gut that her message had a chance to connect.

“I live in this community. I organized in this community. I felt the absence of the incumbent. I knew he didn’t have a strong presence,” she said.

Crowley has been in Congress since 1999 and hadn’t faced an opponent in a primary election since 2004, when Ocasio-Cortez was just a teenager. He was considered a candidate to become the next House speaker if Democrats win the majority.

“It’s not about me,” Crowley, 56, told his supporters at a campaign party following his loss. “It’s about America. I want nothing but the best for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. I want her to be victorious.”

He later played guitar with a band at the election night gathering, and dedicated the first song, Bruce Springsteen’s “Born to Run,” to Ocasio-Cortez.

Crowley represents New York’s 14th Congressional District, where he is also the leader of the Queens Democratic party.

Ocasio-Cortez was outspent by an 18-1 margin during her race but won the endorsement of some influential groups on the party’s far left, including MoveOn, as well as the actress Cynthia Nixon, who is running for governor. She defeated Crowley by 15 percentage points.

Born in the Bronx to a mother from Puerto Rico and a father who died in 2008, Ocasio-Cortez said she decided to challenge Crowley to push a more progressive stance on economic and other issues.

She attended Boston University, where she earned degrees in economics and international relations, and also spent time working in the office of the late U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy.

After graduating, she returned to the Bronx where she became a community organizer. In the 2016 presidential campaign she worked for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Among her issues is expanding the Medicare program to people of all ages and abolishing Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. She recently went to Tornillo, Texas, to protest against policies that have separated parents from their children at the southern U.S. border.

Ocasio-Cortez gained some internet attention for a campaign video called “The Courage to Change,” a two-minute spot for which she wrote the script and featured footage from her own home.

Crowley is chair of the House Democratic Caucus, the fourth-highest ranking position in Democratic leadership in that chamber of Congress.

His loss drew the attention of President Donald Trump.

“Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election. In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!” he tweeted.

The Republican candidate for the office, Anthony Pappas, is running unopposed and had no primary. Pappas teaches economics at St. John’s University.

She was a Bernie campaigner, is supported by BLM, and wants to abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Also this was in a solid-blue Congressional District so you know she's a shoo-in for next Congress.

But hey, we did get to see Trump laugh at Crowley on Twitter.
 
Taylor Swift should be thankful for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. In fact, Swift ought to take lessons from her because Ocasio-Cortez stole an entire political party from Cenk Uygur. Meanwhile Swift is getting trolled by random dudebros like Scooter Braun and Scott Borchetta.

It's just difficult to respect a supposed genius who gets routinely demolished by someone named Scooter.

As for the Amazon deal I don't know what the fuck she was thinking. That is going to hang over her head for years.
amazon would've raised the rent in her constituency and all those people would'v been given the boot, replaced with h1bs and foreigners. It was a smart power move to solidify her voters.
 
amazon would've raised the rent in her constituency and all those people would'v been given the boot, replaced with h1bs and foreigners. It was a smart power move to solidify her voters.
There could be a case made about gentrification but it's still not going to be a very good one. I'm feeling very certain that she was told to leave the guy who owns newspapers alone but that's neither here nor there.
 
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There could be a case made about gentrification but it's still not going to be a very good one. I'm feeling very certain that she was told to leave the guy who owns newspapers alone but that's neither here nor there.

I'm more about restricting rent seeking, it's associated behaviors and not having my town's culture and history destroyed by migrants, immigrants and citizens alike.

from AOC's point of view amazon HQ would've destroyed her base for sure.
 
I'm more about restricting rent seeking, it's associated behaviors and not having my town's culture and history destroyed by migrants, immigrants and citizens alike.

from AOC's point of view amazon HQ would've destroyed her base for sure.
If it's any consolation I don't really think it's going to matter. My own personal theory is that Amazon didn't even choose NYC anyway but AOC started shouting at them and they felt like making an example of her. Some idiot seems to agree with me.
 
Yeah you won't vote for socialist cunts if you have a good cushy job.

The district that reelected Kshama Sawant in Seattle is full of rich liberals and tech bros. I submit that only people with cushy jobs are voting for socialist cunts.

AOC could get primaried if her genuinely working class constituents get sick of her not actually doing anything. If they were to be replaced by Amazon techies, she'd have a safe seat for life.
 
The district that reelected Kshama Sawant in Seattle is full of rich liberals and tech bros. I submit that only people with cushy jobs are voting for socialist cunts.

AOC could get primaried if her genuinely working class constituents get sick of her not actually doing anything. If they were to be replaced by Amazon techies, she'd have a safe seat for life.
What's sad is that you're probably correct. I don't want you to be right, but you likely are.
 
The district that reelected Kshama Sawant in Seattle is full of rich liberals and tech bros. I submit that only people with cushy jobs are voting for socialist cunts.

AOC could get primaried if her genuinely working class constituents get sick of her not actually doing anything. If they were to be replaced by Amazon techies, she'd have a safe seat for life.
The parts of district 3 that have all the rich champagne socialists (Madison Park, the western shore of lake Washington) overwhelmingly voted for her opponent earlier this month, Sawant was elected entirely off of the "temporarily embarrassed barista" class of over-educated middle class hipsters and tech bros that fill up Capitol Hill and the currently-being-over-educated students at Seattle U. And I guess what chunks of the Central District slum are within her district in the southwest.
 
Pretty sure AOC's base doesn't live in her district. Her getting elected was due to a lazy incumbent, low voter turn out and I'm sure some fraud.

Yeah, notice that the article about her fundraising dances around the issue of where those donations actually came from. I'm guessing very few of them were actually from her own district.
 
The deal Cuomo had worked out wasn't even giving Amazon money, it was agreeing to tax them slightly less should they agree to build HQ2 in Queens.
Then AOC ran around screeching about all the good that could be done with that money as if the government was handing a sack of cash to Bezos instead of agreeing to accept a slightly smaller sack from him in the first place for more overall money in the city in general.
And then Bezos shrugged and took his sack of money to DC and she gloated as if she'd done anything to actually help the NYC government besides deprive it of a good revenue stream.

Revenue streams are all well and good on paper, but you really have to look beyond that sometimes and look at what a corporation of that size could do, in a damaging way, to a city. You don't have to look that far because Seattle (Amazon's HQ1) is a god damn nightmare of homelessness and drugs, despite some of the cushy jobs offered by the corporation - for every cushy job (filled by someone from somewhere else), there's ~2,000 shitty ones. Companies (like Amazon) don't make Bezos-level money by paying tons of people really well.

Queens (and Long Island City) are the "affordable" part of New York - a state already having issues with both young people and businesses leaving the state after being priced out - and having Amazon drop HQ2 there would likely devastate the economy there, by driving up rents without driving up wages like every huge corporation does in a small county. The county is already getting devastated by people being priced out of Manhattan and Brooklyn - this would just be dropping a bomb on it.
 
The district that reelected Kshama Sawant in Seattle is full of rich liberals and tech bros. I submit that only people with cushy jobs are voting for socialist cunts.
Um, the term 'tech bro' is offensive, mmkay? These guys aren't 'bros'.. they're trannies in waiting.

Queens (and Long Island City) are the "affordable" part of New York - a state already having issues with both young people and businesses leaving the state after being priced out - and having Amazon drop HQ2 there would likely devastate the economy there, by driving up rents without driving up wages like every huge corporation does in a small county. The county is already getting devastated by people being priced out of Manhattan and Brooklyn - this would just be dropping a bomb on it.
So much this.

Amazon should be broken up through antitrust, but if that isn't going to happen, at least their infestations should be kept limited to places that are already destroyed. The only existing 'New Yorkers' who could have benefited from HQ2 would have been a few construction workers for a couple years, and some Uber drivers afterwards. In both cases, many likely not even American citizens and probably priced out of the city already.
 
Revenue streams are all well and good on paper, but you really have to look beyond that sometimes and look at what a corporation of that size could do, in a damaging way, to a city. You don't have to look that far because Seattle (Amazon's HQ1) is a god damn nightmare of homelessness and drugs, despite some of the cushy jobs offered by the corporation - for every cushy job (filled by someone from somewhere else), there's ~2,000 shitty ones. Companies (like Amazon) don't make Bezos-level money by paying tons of people really well.

Queens (and Long Island City) are the "affordable" part of New York - a state already having issues with both young people and businesses leaving the state after being priced out - and having Amazon drop HQ2 there would likely devastate the economy there, by driving up rents without driving up wages like every huge corporation does in a small county. The county is already getting devastated by people being priced out of Manhattan and Brooklyn - this would just be dropping a bomb on it.
How cruel of Amazon to have caused all of Seattle's problems... It was a perfectly wonderful place before those dang dirty Amazon's showed up...
 
How cruel of Amazon to have caused all of Seattle's problems... It was a perfectly wonderful place before those dang dirty Amazon's showed up...

I'm not implying that Seattle was a great place beforehand, but it was a much more affordable shithole before Amazon blew up to be so huge and that Amazon is only going to make it worse, as opposed to improving it in any way.

Rent in Seattle (approx) was ~$900 for a decent place in 2008 and has been steadily increasing (stride for stride) along side Amazon's growth - to a point where rent is now (roughly) $2590/month. Salaries have increased as well, but they certainly haven't fucking tripled to compensate for the huge surge in prices for everything else. Amazon also being the "big show in town" is great if you can or do work for Amazon, but if you don't you're just eating all of the negatives without any of the positives.
 
I'm not implying that Seattle was a great place beforehand, but it was a much more affordable shithole before Amazon blew up to be so huge and that Amazon is only going to make it worse, as opposed to improving it in any way.

Rent in Seattle (approx) was ~$900 for a decent place in 2008 and has been steadily increasing (stride for stride) along side Amazon's growth - to a point where rent is now (roughly) $2590/month. Salaries have increased as well, but they certainly haven't fucking tripled to compensate for the huge surge in prices for everything else. Amazon also being the "big show in town" is great if you can or do work for Amazon, but if you don't you're just eating all of the negatives without any of the positives.
Ah, I get where you are coming from. Yeah one giant employer creates problems, even if they're not intentional. Having a monopoly on hiring means they have to work for you.
 
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I'm not implying that Seattle was a great place beforehand, but it was a much more affordable shithole before Amazon blew up to be so huge and that Amazon is only going to make it worse, as opposed to improving it in any way.

Rent in Seattle (approx) was ~$900 for a decent place in 2008 and has been steadily increasing (stride for stride) along side Amazon's growth - to a point where rent is now (roughly) $2590/month. Salaries have increased as well, but they certainly haven't fucking tripled to compensate for the huge surge in prices for everything else. Amazon also being the "big show in town" is great if you can or do work for Amazon, but if you don't you're just eating all of the negatives without any of the positives.

It is not Amazon's fault that citizens adamantly refused to let housing or public infrastructure be built until the need became desperate, and that local politicians chose to not push the issue in lieu of lusting at the increased tax revenue and diverting it to pet projects like paying a local artist of color $50k to spray-paint some rocks for a new "urban park" All Amazon did was turn Seattle into the FOSS/Linux-friendly city it needed to be to have a future instead of being a collection of Microsoft's leavings.

Being mad about things changing, having sticker shock at the cost of improving public infrastructure, and then plugging your ears and instead blaming the nearest corporate boogeyman is a Seattle tradition going almost all the way back to Arthur Denny and the Regrade. There's a reason Boeing moved corporate to Chicago and Microsoft stays way the hell out in Redmond.
 
Revenue streams are all well and good on paper, but you really have to look beyond that sometimes and look at what a corporation of that size could do, in a damaging way, to a city. You don't have to look that far because Seattle (Amazon's HQ1) is a god damn nightmare of homelessness and drugs, despite some of the cushy jobs offered by the corporation - for every cushy job (filled by someone from somewhere else), there's ~2,000 shitty ones. Companies (like Amazon) don't make Bezos-level money by paying tons of people really well.

Queens (and Long Island City) are the "affordable" part of New York - a state already having issues with both young people and businesses leaving the state after being priced out - and having Amazon drop HQ2 there would likely devastate the economy there, by driving up rents without driving up wages like every huge corporation does in a small county. The county is already getting devastated by people being priced out of Manhattan and Brooklyn - this would just be dropping a bomb on it.

Tanner's actually not fully wrong about this.

The thing about the Amazon Deal is that it was mostly going to be good for Manhattan's government. NY been in a weird place, and it has everything to do with the current leadership in NY learning absolutely fucking nothing from the 1970s and 80s, because they are pursuing the exact same policies that turned NYC into a crime-ridden shithole. Companies have started to see that there's a potential for Manhattan to go back to that or even go full California, and due to the Manhattan Paradox (the fact that Manhattan alone, through population density, gets to dictate policy for 95% of the state, despite much of the state being nothing like them politically), they are right to be nervous. There's been real nervousness on the part of the big politicos in NY that there'll be a full-on pull-out if NY doesn't incentivize the rich coming in.

Unfortunately, as is always the case, the entire state will have to pay for Manhattan's fuck-ups.
 
It is not Amazon's fault that citizens adamantly refused to let housing or public infrastructure be built until the need became desperate, and that local politicians chose to not push the issue in lieu of lusting at the increased tax revenue and diverting it to pet projects like paying a local artist of color $50k to spray-paint some rocks for a new "urban park" All Amazon did was turn Seattle into the FOSS/Linux-friendly city it needed to be to have a future instead of being a collection of Microsoft's leavings.

This isn't just an Amazon/Seattle thing, lots of large companies are able to pull up into a town and fuck shit up for thier own benefits - Tesla being the new kid on the block in that regard. Also, it's very hard to predict how a company is going to grow, Amazon started off very small and exploded in the last 10 years, much faster than the pace of housing development/infrastructure growth (even in a good city) so I'm not sure what they could do to prepare for something they couldn't really predict. Amazon (at it's peak) was said to have nearly 10 times the amount of employees in Washington than Microsoft; so on a scale they aren't super comparable.

I also didn't meant to suggest that it's always a bad thing - there have been some cities/areas that have been doing very well with an influx of business. I've seen New Jersey and Boston both drastically improve with the rise of businesses in those areas, but Queens/Long Island City is absolutely not prepared for something like this. They aren't even prepared for the influx of people they're already getting from neighboring counties, this would just be kicking them when they're down.

Additionally, Queens/Long Island City is already fucking full, as in physically. It isn't like Seattle where they can just build in a different direction, there are much bigger cities and counties in every direction already; including in the nearby States (NJ, CT, PA) where a commute is possible.

Tanner's actually not fully wrong about this.

Try to not sound too surprised, damn.
 
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