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Trump says U.S. to designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorists

U.S. President Donald Trump said he will designate Mexican drug cartels as terro...

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said in an interview aired on Tuesday that he will designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorists over their role in drug and human trafficking.

“They will be designated ... I have been working on that for the last 90 days. You know, designation is not that easy, you have to go through a process, and we are well into that process,” Trump said in an interview with conservative media personality Bill O’Reilly that aired on Tuesday.

Once a group is designated as a terrorist organization, under U.S. law it is illegal for people in the United States to knowingly offer support and its members cannot enter the country and may be deported. Financial institutions that become aware they have funds connected to the group must block the money and alert the U.S. Treasury Department.

Mexico’s government did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Mexico’s foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, said on Monday he did not expect the United States to make such a move.

Earlier this month, Trump, in a tweet, offered to help Mexico “wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth.”

The proposal came after nine Americans were killed in an ambush in northern Mexico.

Mexican authorities said they may have been victims of mistaken identity amid confrontations among drug gangs in the area.

But the LeBaron extended family, members of a breakaway Mormon community that settled in northern Mexico decades ago, has often been in conflict with drug traffickers in Chihuahua and victims’ relatives said the killers must have known who they were targeting.

 

[HunterHearstHelmsley]

I I'm not even saying the organizations would gain that much power in a "few years." It could take quite a while biding their time and slowly expanding their power. Could they do it eventually, and the answer is yes.

They don’t exist in a vacuum they compete with other organisations. If Mexican cartels didn’t have access to this extremely profitable US drug market would they even have the revenues to outpace Mexican law enforcement in terms of ”expanding their power”?

 

[muh_moobs]

Make cocaine legal AND engage in open narcotics warfare! WHY NOT BOTH?!

Fucking dumb ass.

I know that's likely supposed to just be a shit post, but listen, son:

Current cartel revenue streams ranked by profit:
1. Human Trafficking and Human smuggling
2. Marijuana
3. Meth

Also, your boy JT tried this in Canada. "By legalizing Marijuana we will eliminate the black market." Didn't work out as planned. Turns out that while the appetite for illicit drugs is voracious, the consumer appetite for the lowest price always wins, and no amount of double standards and socialism will ever defeat the basic fact that markets regulate themselves. This is why tax revenue from weed sales in Canada has been drastically lower than anticipated.

As much as something meaningful needs to be done about the stranglehold Mexican drug cartels have on the country, I can't help wondering how much of a difference Trump's declaration will make in terms of the big picture, especially since the overall "war on drugs" is a little more than a no-win situation at best.

Only because weak-willed politicians are unwilling to play as dirty as the opposition.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Whether it is Mexican gangs or tbe

now i don't know fucking shit about anything but doesnt this technically mean the ATF retroactively supplied terrorists right next door to them with a heaping helping of guns? on, like, multiple occasions?

Those were mostly semi-autos the ATF force U.S. gun dealers to sale. The real fun stuff the Cartels get from the Mexican military, and international black market.

 

[Shmidty Werbenmanjenson]

Fucking dumb ass.

I know that's likely supposed to just be a shit post, but listen, son:

Current cartel revenue streams ranked by profit:
1. Human Trafficking and Human smuggling
2. Marijuana
3. Meth

Also, your boy JT tried this in Canada. "By legalizing Marijuana we will eliminate the black market." Didn't work out as planned. Turns out that while the appetite for illicit drugs is voracious, the consumer appetite for the lowest price always wins, and no amount of double standards and socialism will ever defeat the basic fact that markets regulate themselves. This is why tax revenue from weed sales in Canada has been drastically lower than anticipated.

You seem to be implying I want to eliminate a black market. This is not true. I want legal coke and war.

 

[No Exit]

Take out the mexican drug cartels since they're the US's biggest competitors in the drug market. Sounds like this is time they've been waiting for.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Tbh I've always thought that the best way to deal with cartels would be by using mercenaries against them.

• They're willing to be just as violent as the cartels
• The shit they do doesn't really reflect back to their employer politically
• They're willing to engage in the same kind of dirty political back door deals cartels are, so it gives them more avenues to do lasting harm to the cartels
• They like to hire locally, so home field advantage doesn't really apply against them in many cases
• Killing them doesn't really "help" the cartels since the mercenary groups will use this in price negotiations later, which in the long run just leads to a better funded merc group
• Similar to the ability to hire locals, merc groups have a knack for finding disenchanted former members whom are willing to dox their peers.
• Defecting to the merc groups is tempting for cartel members because they can make more money, but still be "legitimate," since they can become "subject matter experts in organized crime."

Ah yes, replacing the cartels with a different shady, backdoor dealing organization beholden to nobody but the highest bidder, made up mostly of locals, and ready, willing and able to commit atrocities and other violent acts, heavily armed, well equipped and with experience operating in the area in question.

Can't see that possibly going wrong.

>SI! If those stupid young teens, and mentally ill people didn't buy our deliberately highly addictive drugs, then those kind gentlemen with face tattoos wouldn't be a major problem in the first place!

If you unironically think all or even most of the drug consumption in the US stems from mentally ill people or teens who got hooked on heroin at 13, you are fucking retarded.

Americans are voracious consumers of drugs, regardless of what social strata or part of the country you come from. The Mexicans, the Colombians, the Afghanis and the Turks, the Chinese, they're all simply supplying where there is demand.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

They don’t exist in a vacuum they compete with other organisations. If Mexican cartels didn’t have access to this extremely profitable US drug market would they even have the revenues to outpace Mexican law enforcement in terms of ”expanding their power”?

I understand they don't exist in a vacuum.



Even if those other organizations didn't exist they still would.

Onto your question:

It's possible. Throughout history as I originally pointed out groups have outpaced governments and even law enforcement to gain more and more power. It becomes more of a question of how long, and to what extent within the same period of time. Just because it's a hassle or a stop-gap doesn't change the fact they will continue forward. Otherwise what stops any other drug cartel from putting a stop to their grasp for power or any other criminal organization? There are many deterrents but if all it took was some counter opposition to stop them then 99% of conflicts throughout history would have ended instantly.

Edit: That's without bringing up gangs specifically and their increases in power.

 

[Xarpho]

Get ready for "muh demonizing of brown people" whining.

Wouldn't that imply that all brown people are connected to the drug cartels somehow? That almost sounds more racist.

Fucking dumb ass.

I know that's likely supposed to just be a shit post, but listen, son:

Current cartel revenue streams ranked by profit:
1. Human Trafficking and Human smuggling
2. Marijuana
3. Meth

Everyone always forgets about human trafficking. It's definitely not a victimless crime, and unless there's a huge push to outlaw the 13th amendment, there's no legalizing your way out of that one.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Why shouldn’t we use the military to wipe these Scarface wannabes out?

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

All this discussion and no one has brought up the fact that this is going to effect my wholesale prices pretty majorly. Does this also mean if you buy meth you're getting arrested for providing material support? Cause I'm ok with that for meth users.

 

[Arkancide Pact]

Oh good, he did what I wanted him to.

Now to see if killing cartels magically makes the problem worse, or if logic and common sense will apply and make the dead cartels unable to crime anyone.

Trump is the best president of my lifetime, by so much it's not even a little bit close. All those "why doesn't the government just..." questions are answered. They never did because they weren't trying to make anything better.

It goes against interagency consensus I guess...

On the idea that if Americans just stopped using their drugs they'd have no money... If we could just make large groups of people not do something illegal we wouldn't have crime now would we?

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

Why shouldn’t we use the military to wipe these Scarface wannabes out?

I've iterated why in other threads on this subject. Please come to Mexico with me and point out WHICH ONES are the Scarface wannabes that should be killed.

The good guys and the bad guys are often one and the same. The web that is the Cartel is deeply ingrained into Mexican society as a whole. Ain't like they wear a red or blue bandana to identify their loyalties like LA street gangs.

There are subtle clues which I could go into great detail on from many years of travel throughout Mexico. But I won't PL that shit here.

The real key is following the money. Dirty drug money gets put into businesses, real estate, agriculture and other venues to make it clean, accessible and profitable. This how the Cartels work in Mexico. And the top guys that do this are high in the ranks, but appear to be no more than business men. Unless you know the subtle things I mentioned, you'd never suspect them of anything more.

The foot soldiers of the Cartel are a different story. They're easier to identify and they are a dime a dozen, easily replaced when a bunch of them get shot up defending turf.

So are they terrorists? Yes, they are in the brutalistic sense of the way they murder, decapitate, and otherwise kill their foe. Which is generally each other.

It's not American heads rolling down the streets or hanging from bridges with their dicks cut off and shoved in their mouths. It's rival cartel. The Mormons getting shot up is exceptional, but you really have to look at their history with locals to understand what likely happened here. The relationship isn't and never has been particularly pretty.

So, what exactly would marching US troops over the border do? Let me tell you what it would do. It would solidify the Mexican support of the Cartels against a common enemy -- us. You'd have another Vietnam on your hands, right in my own backyard.

The only way to fight this particular war is financially. Break their backs by breaking the money trail. Pull our support, factories, stop all money transfers to Mexico, monitor and stop all banking transactions, starve them if you have to until Mexicans themselves revolt against the Cartels.

Although you hear very little about it and it's taken awhile to accomplish, this is exactly what's happening in Iran right now. The people are rising up against the religious stranglehold regime as prices for everything skyrocket and become unavailable. The war there will come from within, not from us.

Anyway, sorry so much typing. Just my .02 on it all from experience.

Meh.

Edit: Me grammars failed me.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

There are subtle clues which I could go into great detail on from many years of travel throughout Mexico. But I won't PL that shit here.

Please do, if only in a private message to me. This is a topic that's very interesting to me and I want to read up as much as I can about it.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

This won't actually happen, but if companies like Walmart start mass dumping their money transfer bullshit because it can easily be traced back to cartel members I will have a damn orgasm.

Yeah like all the Illegal Aliens who pay the Cartels to Coyote their relatives into the states

Are we going to close down every Illegal Alien's bank account?

 

[Nobunaga]

All this discussion and no one has brought up the fact that this is going to effect my wholesale prices pretty majorly. Does this also mean if you buy meth you're getting arrested for providing material support? Cause I'm ok with that for meth users.

>he doesnt cook his own meth in the middle of the desert with a retarded junkie
Pathetic

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

More of a growth industry than a chemical endeavor though. Still only illegal immigrant workers as staff obviously, That way you can just kill them and blame the cartels if anyone comes asking.

 

[Thank Fuck For Evil Otto]

Send in the Warthogs

If only we could erect some defensive barrier to keep them out, perhaps a great wall manned with military personnel. Or, maybe, you know, we could just put up a tall fence without any watchtowers, one that allows drugs to continue to flow freely. That'd be cool be too.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

destiny may get his wet dream come true after all.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

More of a growth industry than a chemical endeavor though. Still only illegal immigrant workers as staff obviously, That way you can just kill them and blame the cartels if anyone comes asking.

Who do you think gets Illegal mexicans into the country?

The Cartels

 

[Biffo]

Well they are