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Or a potential source of great comedy.
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Or a potential source of great comedy.
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Not in the mainstream, no. But I think we're due for an anime resurgence in "geek culture" once superheroes die off.
The 2010's capeshit fad is unique in that it's simultaneously dominant in both the mainstream and in geek/nerd culture. I think once capeshit dies (whether via a flop or just burning itself out) it will likely be replaced by anime in the geek and nerd scene and replaced by something completely different in the mainstream scene.
As for what will replace superheroes in the mainstream circles? My best guess is probably war films, given stuff like Midway and Dunkirk. I could also see a horror resurgence though.
I'd also love to see a resurgence of Westerns, but I'm not sure if that could work. I wish it would make a comeback though
Personally, with the MCU specifically, I'm wagering we've got a 60/40 shot of either simply burning itself out and interest waning or a massive box office bomb.
The only reason I'm willing to entertain the notion of a box office bomb for the MCU at all is because the movies are so extortionately expensive that they need to be blockbuster successes to remain viable and right now there's no longer a major "grand finale" event to build towards like there was with Endgame. The first three phases of the MCU were largely mapped out ahead of time with the Disney buyout, and now we're in a post-Endgame Marvel and Disney doesn't want to quit while it's ahead.
That aside, I think anime will make a comeback in nerd circles once the superhero fad ends and we're already seeing a lot of signs of that resurgence. But I don't think it will be a full normie mainstream fad and I never said it would be.
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@Steamboat_Bill is a pretty big cartoon fan, including the anime of the 2000s when even I admit it was somewhat popular, and he has a lot of doubt about the viability of most present-day anime so I'm not sure.
The MCU isn't at all unique in being mainstream "nerd" media. Disney Star Wars, Game of Thrones, and the recent Star Trek films also all fall into this category at roughly the same time, though Star Wars and GOT seem to have fallen from favour at this point. The Lord of the Rings trilogy and Harry Potter were similar in the 2000s. What happened in the 2000s and 2010s in general is that "nerd" media (essentially just a term for sci-fi and fantasy) got hugely popular, whereas before only a few isolated hits like the original Star Wars or Tim Burton Batman had really achieved this. The much-hated TV show The Big Bang Theory (also now over) was a product of this. It's quite possible that this will cease to be the case in the 2020s and sci-fi and fantasy even outside the MCU will become less prominent, though I doubt it; a resurgence in war films is possible, but it's worth noting those would have a pretty strong following among the Paradox gamer/Sabaton crowd.
Anime was simply never in this position. It had a period of some popularity in the 2000s around when Harry Potter was big (hence its mentions in works like My Immortal), but the massive popularity of sci-fi and fantasy in the 2010s didn't seem to boost its popularity much and I don't see it becoming more prominent if those genres become less popular. It seems more likely the nerds of the 2020s will still be trying to rewrite the ending to Game of Thrones or follow some other sci-fi show like Black Mirror.
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I partly disagree, although anime's popularity within geek culture is also greatly varying along both geographic and generational lines. It's more popular in certain countries and age groups than in others.
As an anime fan here in America, I've been noticing growth and resurgence in the fandom, both online and in real life, especially compared to ten years ago or even just five years ago. Maybe I'm optimistic, but I think we'll see a comeback of anime among American geekdom (not sure about the UK or Europe) but it will be accompanied by other resurgences in fandom culture once capeshit falls out of fashion, and we'll see parallel resurgences of multiple yet different genres in mainstream culture as well.
Anime is starting to make a resurgence among the core to late Gen Z nerds here in America and I think it will have some popularity again in fandom in the 2020's, but it won't be full-fledged mainstream like Marvel or Lord of the Rings.
The MCU got big because Disney is bankrolling it, and remember this is the same Disney that has nearly killed the Star Wars franchise despite Star Wars being one of the few "geek" franchises to have major mainstream crossover appeal before the 2000's and 2010's.
Also, keep in mind that Lord of the Rings got popular because of the film adaptations, which again was largely tied to timing. The late 90's/early 2000's was when people started to reevaluate Tolkien as an author and his books were old enough to be given a fair look outside the Sci-Fi and Fantasy circles.
My best guess is that we'll see another anime fad in America, but it will be more tied into internet and gaming culture as opposed to cinema or mainstream TV and the big mainstream trends in cinema during the 2020's are likely going to be war movies and a new wave of horror films.
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Weird, because I thought it was significantly bigger in 2009 than it is now. I did hear someone mention Fullmetal Alchemist earlier this year, which I think was around at roughly that time. Around 2014 I also remember seeing a load of merchandise for Attack On Titan in stores, which is about the last time I ever really saw anything much relating to the medium in public.
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Eh, I'd say 2009 was a low point for anime in America. Fullmetal Alchemist was already popular before, with the first anime being really huge on Adult Swim back in 2005 and then they announced a second anime series in 2009, but it did not air in America until late 2010.
2009 was around the time that the bubble burst for the fad and a lot of the companies went under.
Adult Swim had limited anime to a single night per week the previous year and no new shows were picked up that year, while all the other channels on TV had stopped airing anime around that same time. Had the revival of Toonami in 2012 not turned out to be a success, anime would have been phased out from Adult Swim completely, and keep in mind that Toonami and Adult Swim were a major component of the early 2000's anime boom.
Attack On Titan didn't start getting big in America until late 2012 and early 2013 as far as I can tell.
Again, this is strictly from an American perspective, so your mileage may vary.
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I was under the impression that interest slowly tailed off through the late 2000s - 2010s more than anything, but I'm not at all involved with the community so I don't really know. I certainly don't see or hear much about it these days, certainly not compared to some other fantasy media like Game of Thrones, but that may well just be having become an adult.
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Superheroes are just as important to anime and manga as they are to American comics thanks to Astro Boy, and with series like My Hero Academia and One Punch Man, they're going to be around well into the future. Even Tiger & Bunny got ranked as number one in an NHK poll like a year or so ago. And as long as Madhouse still gets paid to animate Marvel series, they're not going anywhere.
I think superheroes are going to get rebranded or evolve into something past the regular capeshit we're used to seeing, and I think that'll chase away the "geek culture" wannabes because they're just not going to "get it". But it might shift focus from American superheroes to that of Japanese superheroes that were inspired by American superheroes unless the isekai genre decides to swallow up everything in its path and transforms the anime and manga scene into its own image.
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Isekai is a cancer that's never going away.
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Likewise with harems.
Isekai is a genre as old as time, when you think about it (or at least as old as Alice in Wonderland). I think it truly has good potential, there's a lot of good stories out there that are basically isekai. Problem is, modern isekai have been created by amateur otaku who're just trying to make money and so they're playing it safe by copying the same cliches they're most familiar with. They're not having fun with it by coming up with imaginative worlds and scenarios and making them feel like an actual alien world instead of a bland fantasy land that feels like Earth. The last isekai anime (that I've seen) that attempted world-building was Endride, but it was a huge disappointment due to execution and insufferable main protagonists that only got their much-needed development after the halfway point, which is also when the plot came to a head. Overlord seems to be what people would like in an isekai series, but I think that only attracted people because of the villain protagonist.
I think it's about time to put it to rest for a good decade or so and, I dunno, bring back space operas. Or they're already doing that, but nobody seems to care. Needs to be "grounded in reality" or it takes you out of the immersion or whatever bullshit reasons some people have as to why they don't like it when shows try to break the mold.
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I've read somewhere that where a lot of barrel-grade fantasy is directly ripping off of Tolkien (what they grew up with), the Tolkien for the modern light novel fantasy isekai is Dragon Quest.
This becomes especially deleterious when they then start copying each other, leading to shit like Dungeon Seeker directly plagiarizing* Arifureta, the poster boy for wish fulfillment checklist wank. Given the current method of making new LN anime is by harvesting popular things off of literal dumping grounds, as well as the seemingly infinite number of ways to modify "person gets trucked into a fantasy world where everyone sucks his dick", it's unlikely that it'll go away any time soon, as battle harems eventually did.
This is the story as a translator /a/non said WAY back when chapter 1 of dungeon seeker manga was translated here.
Basically Arifureta was a little known Japanese webnovel, and the author of Dungeon Seeker was a reader, apparently he thought something like "I can do better" so he rewrote Arifureta in a way he thought would be better. No big deal, that's how Dungeon Seeker starts. Of course he was right. Dungeon Seeker is a more interesting story early on, and it's moderately better written (that isn't hard to do btw, it's not like Arifureta was any good), anyway as the webnovel went on the author of dungeon seaker got lazier and lazier, and started to pull parts of chapters of Arifureta changing names only. No one noticed because at the time Arifureta was basically unknown. anyway the whole second half of the webnovel of Dungeon seeker is apparently just Arifureta with different names (yeah he kept the worst part of it) because apparently daily webnovel content was harder to do then the author of dungeon seeker thought when he started.
ANYWAY, this is where the story gets slimey, apparently around the time Dungeon Seeker got a light novel (arifureta was still a moderately unknown webnovel) a fan of arifureta picked up the dungeon seeker LN, and saw some similarities, so he went looking for the webnovel, only to realize the whole second half was plagiarized. So he contacted the author of Arifureta, who then sued everyone involved (apparently the dungeon seeker manga was started around the time the LN started to hit the shelves). When the author of Dungeon Seeker was sued, he went to his fans and turned black into white and claimed Arifureta was a plagiarization of his work Dungeon Seeker and sicked his fans on the Author of Arifureta, leading to death threats and the like.
Well he won, and the courts ordered every penny of profit from the manga and ln of dungeon seeker to go to arifureta's author.
Basically Arifureta was a little known Japanese webnovel, and the author of Dungeon Seeker was a reader, apparently he thought something like "I can do better" so he rewrote Arifureta in a way he thought would be better. No big deal, that's how Dungeon Seeker starts. Of course he was right. Dungeon Seeker is a more interesting story early on, and it's moderately better written (that isn't hard to do btw, it's not like Arifureta was any good), anyway as the webnovel went on the author of dungeon seaker got lazier and lazier, and started to pull parts of chapters of Arifureta changing names only. No one noticed because at the time Arifureta was basically unknown. anyway the whole second half of the webnovel of Dungeon seeker is apparently just Arifureta with different names (yeah he kept the worst part of it) because apparently daily webnovel content was harder to do then the author of dungeon seeker thought when he started.
ANYWAY, this is where the story gets slimey, apparently around the time Dungeon Seeker got a light novel (arifureta was still a moderately unknown webnovel) a fan of arifureta picked up the dungeon seeker LN, and saw some similarities, so he went looking for the webnovel, only to realize the whole second half was plagiarized. So he contacted the author of Arifureta, who then sued everyone involved (apparently the dungeon seeker manga was started around the time the LN started to hit the shelves). When the author of Dungeon Seeker was sued, he went to his fans and turned black into white and claimed Arifureta was a plagiarization of his work Dungeon Seeker and sicked his fans on the Author of Arifureta, leading to death threats and the like.
Well he won, and the courts ordered every penny of profit from the manga and ln of dungeon seeker to go to arifureta's author.
Now, the Arifureta situation is really great, because I'm sure that this incident really bloated the ego of the Arifureta author.
The anime was supposed to be done by White Fox (fairly competent studio that did Goblin Slayer, Re:Zero, etc), for some reason the anime looked like total dogshit.
On January 15, 2018, Arifureta - From Commonplace to World's Strongest author Ryo Shirakome wrote an update on his user page on the user-submitted novel site Shōsetsu ni Narō discussing the anime's delay until 2019. The anime was originally slated for April 2018.
Arifureta Author May Have Prompted Anime's Staff Change
Series was delayed in January 2018, new staff was announced in April 2018www.animenewsnetwork.com
Although the post was edited soon after publication to remove any "comments that had caused great misunderstanding," the original version of the post (archived here), expresses Shirakome's displeasure with the anime thus far. He wrote: "Every time I was sent scripts and storyboards for the anime over these past few months, I writhed in pain in my room... ahem." He apologized to the readers over the fact that "the anime had turned out like this even after all the blessings and support you gave me." Finally, he stated his hope that the delay would give the anime the chance to become a "better work."
The author pissed and moaned about how it wasn't good enough, may or may not have demanded for drastic adaption staff change, delayed the anime by a year, and turned what may have been a cynically middling financial success into a total dumpster fire.
And people still say that light novels never have good endings!
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Adult Swim went into the dumpster once it started to phase out anime.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been long under the impression anime was cut down to once a week from six only because the then new head of Adult Swim personally hated anime and gutted it from the lineup. Likewise the shitty live action comedies was what he preferred so he had more of those made to replace all the now-gone anime. Which is also why the bumpers didn't beat around the bush and said anime is shit while furiously praising the new live-action shows.
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Personally I think films like Joker and Captain Marvel *made on the cheap and relying less on big actors * are the future of super hero films if not Hollywood in general.
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PLEASE not war films, we don't need more wehraboos.
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If they take over the capeshit market they won't be wehraboos, they'll all be jerking off over the Red Army.
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A war movie that isn’t WW2 or Vietnam would be great.
Back on topic: weeaboos are fat and ugly and no self respecting pure blooded nippon would have sex with them.
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Fixed that for you.
I don't think war films will be popular among the woke crowd, but rather the normies. Capeshit movies are probably the one area where normies and SJW's nearly get along (excluding Joker, which doesn't really count as capeshit other than in name) because it's the main Hollywood trend and it gives your ordinary folks something to watch on a Saturday night in the summer.
Something tells me that a lot of the remaining SJW's will still be clinging to capeshit even after the fad dies out. This is the same crowd that never moved on from reading Harry Potter, after all.
The normies will probably move onto the next big Hollywood trend (probably horror, maybe war films) and the geeks will probably move onto some other form of sci-fi and maybe another anime resurgence as well.
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Given most war films are heavily imbued with politics I think there will be a lot of interest from the ChapoTrapHouse types. Also I don't really understand the distinction you're drawing when a lot of the "woke" nonsense comes from within Hollywood itself; you only have to watch the Oscars to see a load of progressive rhetoric and people wanting to ban guns while being guarded by armed men. When the people making the films are often of this persuasion, the 4Chan distinction between "REEE NORMIES" and autistics is irrelevant.