Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Dom Cruise]

I Am Legend did OK.
That's not the problem with re-shoots fucking it.

If you're not familiar, this movie was based on a book, and even Will Smith was exactly the kind of star power this movie needed. The original setup for the movie followed the book pretty well, but the studio wouldn't stop with the fucking meddling. In its infinite wisdom, the studio decided to make sure to distance the movie from the Vampire genre, despite the fact that the books outright state that the monsters are fucking vampires, complete with aversions to sunlight and garlic. They did this solely because the Vampire genre was in decline - always a good sign.

When the movie was first tested, the test-audiences hated the ending because it was a downer. The original book had a tragic ending that was intended to get across that things are kind of fucked for the protagonist, but opened up the possibility that the monsters of the film aren't quite so monstrous as they appeared. Naturally, the Studio, not having meddled enough, dragged the cast back out to reshoot the ending, slashing and burning several major plot and character arcs. The new ending was a lot happier. Everything good, right?

Well, no. Demonstrably not. Because it fucking ruined the rest of implicit themes throughout the movie. In the attack on Neville's house, it was shown that the attack wasn't about Neville. It was about the woman he had kidnapped and was doing testing on. They wanted their friend back. In the original, the entire fucking core theme of the movie was that the monsters weren't mindless brutes, but rather, were becoming something more.

But nah, fuck that, a test audience didn't like that the movie made them feel an emotion, better turn it into more action schlock.

Oh yeah, I remember the whole shitstorm over the ending to that movie, thankfully I saw it on Blu Ray which had the original ending, that was the first movie I ever watched on Blu Ray as a matter of fact.

Ironic that the studio thought the vampire genre was in decline when the following year Twilight released.

 

[Zaryiu]

Reminder the prequel MOVIES (not the EU stuff related) DID damage Star Wars. Listen to young Lucas speak about film-making and compare it to Older Lucas who clearly had betrayed his own opinion about film-making, the guy became senile, stopped having his required by then required tard wrangler and got super greedy (remember all the merchandising there was after the prequel to when Disney brought it?) and made three turds that only look good when compared to the absolute trash Disney has made film-wise? They threw him out but they amplified certain problems that already existed and added more problems.
I do fell bad they threw him out but he's got money invested in Disney and he was the who could have sold to another company than the Rat (i won't include the res of why i don't like Older George). I'm okay if people disagree but here's my point of view

 

[Dom Cruise]

I really wonder if the Prequels were really that bad or if people were just too hard on them.

Keep in the mind the culture of the turn of the millennium era, the Prequels are basically 1930s movies on a massive budget, think of how out of lockstep 1930s culture is with the late 90s and early 2000s, it's no wonder the irony and cynicism laden culture of the times rejected them.

They are by no means flawless movies sure, but the hate might have stemmed more from the movies being out of lockstep with the culture of the time than as objectively bad as people make them out to be.

Again, they are certainly flawed, it's hard to argue with the Plinkett reviews considering how painstaking they are, but as much as I respect them you can't deny the Red Letter Media guys are cynical as fucking hell, Lucas did not make the movies for cynics.

 

[Muttnik]

The Prequels, flaws, shitty acting and writing aside, are memorable. They were made in a cold, corporate technology-driven way but damned if they're not full of quotable, A+ meme magnificence.

 

[Jaimas]

Reminder the prequel MOVIES (not the EU stuff related) DID damage Star Wars. Listen to young Lucas speak about film-making and compare it to Older Lucas who clearly had betrayed his own opinion about film-making, the guy became senile, stopped having his required by then required tard wrangler and got super greedy (remember all the merchandising there was after the prequel to when Disney brought it?) and made three turds that only look good when compared to the absolute trash Disney has made film-wise? They threw him out but they amplified certain problems that already existed and added more problems.
I do fell bad they threw him out but he's got money invested in Disney and he was the who could have sold to another company than the Rat (i won't include the res of why i don't like Older George). I'm okay if people disagree but here's my point of view

I don't think many will disagree with you on that. Hell, The People Vs George Lucas basically covers it beginning to end.

George, however, at his worst, cannot even come within striking distance of the damage done to the franchise by the House of Mouse.

Making the most consistently successful IP an economic non-starter in a few short years and getting the bulk of its once-devoted fanbase to now actively pray for its destruction is an accomplishment with few equals.

I really wonder if the Prequels were really that bad or if people were just too hard on them.

Keep in the mind the culture of the turn of the millennium era, the Prequels are basically 1930s movies on a massive budget, think of how out of lockstep 1930s culture is with the late 90s and early 2000s, it's no wonder the irony and cynicism laden culture of the times rejected them.

They are by no means flawless movies sure, but the hate might have stemmed more from the movies being out of lockstep with the culture of the time than as objectively bad as people make them out to be.

Again, they are certainly flawed, it's hard to argue with the Plinkett reviews considering how painstaking they are, but as much as I respect them you can't deny the Red Letter Media guys are cynical as fucking hell, Lucas did not make the movies for cynics.

I've always been of the belief that the core ideas of the prequel trilogy were great, just that their execution left a lot to be desired and rarely lived up to its full potential.

While a lot of the prequel trilogy has serious issues, there's real joy, creativity, and care put into it, and a real desire to do right by the franchise under it. It has heart, which is odd for a movie series that was such a massive corporate investment. We can't say they weren't passionate about it. Its problems are clear and obvious, yes, but looking back on it, can we really say it was that bad?

I certainly can't.

Granted I'm the kind of dipshit who watches terrible movies for the sake of ridiculing them, and the low end of my bar includes the likes of After Last Season and Santa Claus Meets the Ice Cream Bunny, so my perspective's a little more broad.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The Prequels, flaws, shitty acting and writing aside, are memorable. They were made in a cold, corporate technology-driven way but damned if they're not full of quotable, A+ meme magnificence.

Movies are pretty subjective things at the end of the day, I mean as much as we hate them even the Sequel movies have their fans.

So when it comes to the Prequels it's a glass half empty or half full thing, are you willing to get on their wavelength and forgive their flaws or are you simply too cynical? Both stances are valid.

 

[TwinkLover6969]

I predict The Mandalorian will have furfaggotry and wokeness and that it is only a question of when not if, this is how bad Star Wars has become that i can say that and potentially be right

You can't make a TV show in 2019 that doesnt have some sort of woke AIDS in it, its just a matter of how much HIV laced semen is ejaculated into it.

 

[Spoonge]

Well, here's a thing.

That was a fucking masterpiece. Anakin and Tommy had some incredible on screen chemistry.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I know the best way to put it with the Prequels.

No one will deny there's plenty of stupid shit in the movies, but the question is how you react to it, does the stupid shit just make you laugh or do you get angry? That's purely subjective.

 

[Zaryiu]

I don't think many will disagree with you on that. Hell, The People Vs George Lucas basically covers it beginning to end.

George, however, at his worst, cannot even come within striking distance of the damage done to the franchise by the House of Mouse.

Making the most consistently successful IP an economic non-starter in a few short years and getting the bulk of its once-devoted fanbase to now actively pray for its destruction is an accomplishment with few equals.

Oh i recognize and agree the Rat is far worse, it's just i sometimes notice people forget some or all of George faults (not necessarily here but out there on the internet)

 

[Muttnik]

I disliked the Prequels up until the Disney movies. Then I started to appreciate and feel some fondness for them. After all, they're no longer the worst the franchise has to offer.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I disliked the Prequels up until the Disney movies. Then I started to appreciate and feel some fondness for them. After all, they're no longer the worst the franchise has to offer.

And for me I'm just really big on nostalgia for the turn of the millennium era (which I would define as from roughly 1997 to 2007) to where even the stupid shit has it's charm to me.

And the Prequels are a big part of the culture of that era, so good or bad they're certainly nostalgic by this point.

 

[Bongsnake McGee]

The problem with Star Wars is not the fans, it's the creators actively listening to the fans. George listened to the fans. Star Wars fans bitched and moaned that they wanted more fucking worldbuilding, because the OT didn't do much of that. Well you got fucking worldbuilding with the prequels. Trade disputes and all. DisneyWars is the same sort of response, just to a different side of the fandom, as shallow and as insincere as that side is, they still are, at least nominally part of it. So we got ANH2, electric Boogaloo. Fans complained, TOO MUCH LIKE EP4. Ok, here's RJ making Empire but backwards in the hope that nobody would notice. Fans complain, TOO SHIT.
Meanwhile, the secondary canon has always had better stories, movies, and TV shows because for the most part it doesn't give a shit about what the fans want.

 

[Love Machine]

I don't think many will disagree with you on that. Hell, The People Vs George Lucas basically covers it beginning to end.

George, however, at his worst, cannot even come within striking distance of the damage done to the franchise by the House of Mouse.

Making the most consistently successful IP an economic non-starter in a few short years and getting the bulk of its once-devoted fanbase to now actively pray for its destruction is an accomplishment with few equals.



I've always been of the belief that the core ideas of the prequel trilogy were great, just that their execution left a lot to be desired and rarely lived up to its full potential.

While a lot of the prequel trilogy has serious issues, there's real joy, creativity, and care put into it, and a real desire to do right by the franchise under it. It has heart, which is odd for a movie series that was such a massive corporate investment. We can't say they weren't passionate about it. Its problems are clear and obvious, yes, but looking back on it, can we really say it was that bad?

I certainly can't.

Granted I'm the kind of dipshit who watches terrible movies for the sake of ridiculing them, and the low end of my bar includes the likes of After Last Season and Santa Claus Meets the Ice Cream Bunny, so my perspective's a little more broad.

The prequels had actually entertaining shit like palpatine, Even now, the only character in the rat trilogy that I can even call a real character is kylo ren, and i have 0 faith that he will land on his feat in the rise of the skywalker, despite him BEING THE FUCKING SKYWALKER.

INB4 rei is some dumb fuck clone of leia or some dipshit fucking idea like that to shoehorn her into being THE SKYWALKER and she will summon white darth vader as her stand to fight kylo ren with his palpatine stand.

 

[Wyzzerd]

I disliked the Prequels up until the Disney movies. Then I started to appreciate and feel some fondness for them. After all, they're no longer the worst the franchise has to offer.

Well even if someone doesn't like the prequels, they have to acknowledge that they expanded the universe and brought about some fantastic games and stuff.

Battlefront 1 and 2, republic commando, bounty hunter, jko/jka, star wars legos, clone wars, and I'm sure there are tons more then I can name.

I can't think of anything great that the sequel trilogy has added, the movies suck, the games are few and riddled with problems, the comics and books are downright cancerous. What is there to enjoy other than trying to laugh at the dumpster fire that once was a joy of your childhood?

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I disliked the Prequels up until the Disney movies. Then I started to appreciate and feel some fondness for them. After all, they're no longer the worst the franchise has to offer.

The prequels at the least had a lot of great material for the merchandising and spinoffs to take off from and they did magnificently.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Ghostbusters 2016 was a box office bomb, but that could be chalked up to bad writing and the fact that Ghostbusters is a fairly old IP that hadn't really been prevalent in the public consciousness since the late 80's (that one video game aside) so I could see why Holltywood thought they could triple down on wokeshit.

Ghostbusters is a good comparison to make, but also consider Annihilation, Alex Garland's Sci Fi film from 2018. 4 female leads, yet it wasn't remarked upon in the film. Only in scenes where they're having a drink before going into the anomaly. A really great film, and nobody involved in it felt the need to play the girlpower card.

That's the thing. Films with a gender swap or any number of female lead characters don't have to bomb if the characters are portrayed with traits anyone can relate to: give them strengths, weaknesses, and some insecurity/doubt to show that they have to grow in some way as the plot unfolds.

Ghostbusters 2016 did none of this and focused so much on wokeness that the movie flopped with misogyny as the scapegoat. Similarly, Kathleen Kennedy ignored all the strong women in Star Wars before she took the helm and decided to turn the surviving heroic characters -- Leia included -- into washed-up has-beens while replacing them with Rey: a Mary Sue deus ex machina incapable of mistake, wrong, or failure. I don't think anyone expected Disney to turn Star Wars into something worse than shit-tier awful.

 

[JohnDoe]

Say what you will about the poor execution in the prequels; like the stilted dialog, mediocre direction, the very pointless Baby Vader movie (seriously, just start the trilogy with Hayden as padawan Anakin so he has time to develop), and the sterile look with heavy CGI. Go ahead, you can say all that - but in their favor the prequels never feel like they exist to spite the viewer, or to lecture them. The prequels have arcs, story and character, and by God no matter how clumsy the trip they fucking get you there. They went through the time and effort to choreograph fight scenes so you don't have disappearing daggers, and every last character has to struggle at something. Its cohesive and honest and endearing.

Like when your boy/girlfriend takes the time to try cooking your favorite meal for you and kinda fucks it up a bit and leaves the kitchen a mess you still find that slightly burned, imperfect meal so very satisfying. Its much better than going to a beautifully appointed restaurant and having three different professional chefs that hate you cook three clashing courses of dogshit badly, serve it on golden plates, and then scream at you for being a racist, sexist, nazi incel rapist if you fail to scream their absolute adulation in fawning praise.

 

[Uranus Pink]

The problem with Star Wars is not the fans, it's the creators actively listening to the fans. George listened to the fans. Star Wars fans bitched and moaned that they wanted more fucking worldbuilding, because the OT didn't do much of that. Well you got fucking worldbuilding with the prequels. Trade disputes and all. DisneyWars is the same sort of response, just to a different side of the fandom, as shallow and as insincere as that side is, they still are, at least nominally part of it. So we got ANH2, electric Boogaloo. Fans complained, TOO MUCH LIKE EP4. Ok, here's RJ making Empire but backwards in the hope that nobody would notice. Fans complain, TOO SHIT.

Still claps my ass to this day thanks to the "fans" REEEEing we were denied the opportunity to watch the boy band Nsync get killed off in AotC.

 

[Love Machine]

You know, they are introducing the knights of ren in this movie after sitting on the idea since episode 7. That makes what? 5 bad guys that will be mildly menacing for a sum total of 20 minutes only to be fucking blown the fuck out by super rei? Like is this another attempt at a boba fett after the failure of captain phasma? Even boba fett was established a little bit in empire as not being completely incompetent. While having like 9 minutes of screen time he managed to be cool enough to be talked about 20 something years later. While I desperately hope the knights are cool, we had a action scene that they would do with them back in tlj with the throne room, and that was just a sloppy mess. Do we at least know if it is still the guys from "The Raid" like I had heard back in the lead up to TLJ.