Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Shield Breaker]

At this point, what's left for JJ to taint? SeaQuest?

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[mindlessobserver]

As much as I would hate JJ touching that, Babylon 5 did kind of manage to do the "epic cinematic universe" way before anyone else. Under the right management, some kind of successor or reboot might work, but the cynic in me says too much of B5 was lightning in a bottle.

They also jumped the shark during that final season. Should have ended it with the liberation of earth. Besides, the whole thing stands on its own. It really does not need a reboot. If someone tries, we should probably greet them with gunports open as a sign of respect.

 

[Judge Holden]

Who else was here back on page 708 in late september when we finally saw the collected "exogol" leaks compiled into a united film overview by big dik nigga @GeneralFriendliness and all realised at once "oh no....oh god this is so fucking garbage it has to be fucking true"

For me it was ironically the seemingly cut korra ripoff scene at the end which convinced me 100% that the leaks were legit. Its such a fucking lazy hackfraud plot device to pull the maximum membaberry strings and justify the dumbest possible conclusion it just had to be real

 

[ZMOT]

bloody hell, I check back after last night and the thread literally exploded.

tbh I couldn't even finish to read the spoiler. the indifference is just to big at this point (even when I had big star wars itch to the point I caved and bought eafront 2 on sale).
the fallout will be a much better spectacle anything the sequels could ever deliver anyway...

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They also jumped the shark during that final season. Should have ended it with the liberation of earth. Besides, the whole thing stands on its own. It really does not need a reboot. If someone tries, we should probably greet them with gunports open as a sign of respect.

I remember reading the rights belong to the creator and he already stated it will never be rebooted.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I remember reading the rights belong to the creator and he already stated it will never be rebooted.

Thank god for small favors

 

[Kane Lives]

I mean the movie looks worse but I still somehow don't hate JJ while I do Ryan Johnson
JJ at least knows hes making schlock at this point, Johnson was trying to portray episode 8 as "topical" and "deep" as a deconstruction of the setting with his head so far up his damn asshole.

I wouldn't give JJ too much leeway in this.

Yes, Rian was exceptional and he single-handedly sunk the USS Star Wars for the Rat. I doubt anyone else could match his "accomplishments" for a good long while.

But JJ started the avalanche with his barely competent writing of Episode VII. He gave the start of a new trilogy a foundation of sand.

Where's the bare minimum necessary world-building to explain why the fuck does the First Order and Rebe-- I mean, Resistance exist?
Why is the New Republic so fucking exceptional that it only consists of 5 planets?
Why did fucking Luke run away? Why is a map needed to find him?
Why is Han Solo a fucking washup deadbeat dad?
Why the fuck can you see a death laser millions of light years away?

and so on and so on. Things which should have been explained in the movie, but was not.

JJ did the equivalent of fanfic writers of stringing together cool scenes and hoping that you don't notice the rotten foundations beneath the shiny lens flare and spectacle. He's absolutely to blame for leaving mystery boxes for future directors to trip over. Of course, Rian did one futher and proceeded to crashland all the mystery boxes to subvert expectations.

 

[Android raptor]

I'm always the odd one out in this thread, and if the leaks are true it sounds like a movie that i'll overall enjoy. And even more, I'll enjoy the SJW salt from Reylo becoming canon.

As much as I love Kylo I'm OK with him dying as long as he got a redemption arc first, especially since it's SW and you know damn well he's gonna come back as a force ghost anyway.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm always the odd one out in this thread, and if the leaks are true it sounds like a movie that i'll overall enjoy. And even more, I'll enjoy the SJW salt from Reylo becoming canon.

As much as I love Kylo I'm OK with him dying as long as he got a redemption arc first, especially since it's SW and you know damn well he's gonna come back as a force ghost anyway.

Well of course. Remember, nobody is ever really gone.

 

[Judge Holden]

Well of course. Remember, nobody is ever really gone.

Oh.....oh fuck.....OH FUUUUUUCK

I just received a psychic signal from my future self 5 years from now...

Aside from calling me a dumb nigger, Future!Holden revealed that in the next movie they bring back rey as the protagonist and have her pull some horseshit plot magic shenannigans to resurrect Kylo Ren in order to try and win back the long fled shippers who have switched to fapping over the Aragorn/Obese-Haradarim-Princess romance in the upcoming Amazon Lord of the Rings series

Future!Holden directly compared it to the end of some final fantasy game....maybe FFX2 or FFVIII....i dunno I never played them but obviously my future self has become a fan of the series

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

I wouldn't give JJ too much leeway in this.

Yes, Rian was exceptional and he single-handedly sunk the USS Star Wars for the Rat. I doubt anyone else could match his "accomplishments" for a good long while.

But JJ started the avalanche with his barely competent writing of Episode VII. He gave the start of a new trilogy a foundation of sand.

Where's the bare minimum necessary world-building to explain why the fuck does the First Order and Rebe-- I mean, Resistance exist?
Why is the New Republic so fucking exceptional that it only consists of 5 planets?
Why did fucking Luke run away? Why is a map needed to find him?
Why is Han Solo a fucking washup deadbeat dad?
Why the fuck can you see a death laser millions of light years away?

and so on and so on. Things which should have been explained in the movie, but was not.

JJ did the equivalent of fanfic writers of stringing together cool scenes and hoping that you don't notice the rotten foundations beneath the shiny lens flare and spectacle. He's absolutely to blame for leaving mystery boxes for future directors to trip over. Of course, Rian did one futher and proceeded to crashland all the mystery boxes to subvert expectations.

The root of this rot is KK, but I remember reading some insider leak saying that the order to have TFA out by December 2015 came down from Iger, which led to Kathy firing Michael Arndt for asking for more time to write a script. That's where JJ was brought it.

 

[Creep3r]

J. J. gets ts the benefit of the fact even Spielberg couldn't salvage what johnson left. He's not a good writer or director, but its hard to hate a man when the travesty he created isn't really his fault.

I'll never understand the "JJ did nothing wrong" mentality. The man has proven time and time again that he just isn't a good storyteller, much less a worldbuilder. He's good at making mystery boxes and pretty visuals, but at the end of the day all his boxes are empty and he can never deliver on a good finisher. LOST and Star Trek have proven that much. And maybe West World, but I haven't seen that one, only hearsay, so I can't really talk about WW. Rian was only able to do what he did because JJ gave him an empty box full of room for change that he was too lazy to fill himself, instead it was a box made to look like a duplicate of ANH with a bunch of promises of "things" inside the box, but at the end of the day it was still just an empty box he was given with the only "content" being a script tag outside the box that said "Basic plot: ESB but with Rey as Luke and Luke as Yoda", so its not like Rian threw out much. Even without Iger or KK's input, JJ and Kasdan ultimately decided on reducing the OT cast to nothing, resetting Han to square one but worse, making Leia an outcast and a failure, and making Luke a giga-failure and stranding him on a deserted tiny island with no chance of forming an academy at simply to have Yoda 2.0, yet leaves a stupid map leading to him as some kind of cheap mcguffin that ultimately achieves nothing for the Resistance. JJ's VIII sequel plan was just a hollow retread of ESB with all the same retread bullshit and mystery boxes as all his other works, but instead have Rey trained by Luke in the same retreaded style as Yoda, except she does better and goes off to save the gang at the last minute.

To sum it up in meme form:

 

[BrunoMattei]

I intend to gloat with all the spite I can muster when JJ and Abrams are inevitably fired. Kathleen Kennedy will likely escape via Golden Parachute, but so long as she's never allowed to fuck up another movie for the next few years I'm fine with that occurrence.

The decision to turn the whole of Episode VIII into a protracted fuck-you session towards the fandom is one that deserves to be immortalized as a warning to future generations that hubris comes with too high a price. Abrams may have been a low-talent hack, but Johnson wasn't fit to lick the boots of those who worked on Star Wars before him, Abrams included, and the decision to hire the giggling wiggle-head is a decision that brought ruination upon this series, bringing it from a property that is literally a license to print money to a property that can't make money in China and whose merchandise barely sells, all in less than three years.

Years from now this will be remembered as a bigger embarassment than Ghostbusters (2016), Season 8 of Game of Thrones, and Terminator: Dark Fate combined. I honestly thought that the 2019 UK Elections was going to be the biggest fuck you from the public this year, but it very much looks like TRoS may prove me wrong.

The whole thing reminds me, as horror guy and not a Star Trek/Wars nerd, of franchises that took a hard right turn like Halloween 3, Friday the 13th part 9, and Hellraiser 3 and all that. Essence of the franchise was left in tact and origins weren't destroyed. You'll find defenders of those movies. This, this is anew level of destroying an IP.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Take that, haterz....

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“I think the most important thing that happened tonight was the 10 minute conversation I had with Kathleen Kennedy, at the end of which I wished her good luck with the future of Star Wars: "And you know who I hope is a part of it." "???" "Rian Johnson." "Oh, Rian will be back." 🙏🏽”

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[Judge Holden]

The whole thing reminds me, as horror guy and not a Star Trek/Wars nerd, of franchises that took a hard right turn like Halloween 3, Friday the 13th part 9, and Hellraiser 3 and all that. Essence of the franchise was left in tact and origins weren't destroyed. You'll find defenders of those movies. This, this is anew level of destroying an IP.

Frankly I think the better Halloween comparison would be the brief Halloween H20 canon

- It was created to reboot the continuity afresh after it had been run into the ground by a growing list of dumb ideas and worse executions
- It kinda did ok and wasn't widely despised despite having major flaws
- The sequel to this success immediately threw all that shit out the window, casually killed off the main character, and then tried to spin itself as a "new take" of the genre with webcams and busta rhymes
- This effectively killed the franchise, leading to them remaking it five years later/canon rebooting it again fifteen years later

 

[Creep3r]

Take that, haterz....

ℍ𝕚𝕤 ℝ𝕠𝕪𝕒𝕝 ℍ𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕟𝕖𝕤𝕤 𝔹𝕖𝕟 𝕊𝕠𝕝𝕠 👑 on Twitter

“I think the most important thing that happened tonight was the 10 minute conversation I had with Kathleen Kennedy, at the end of which I wished her good luck with the future of Star Wars: "And you know who I hope is a part of it." "???" "Rian Johnson." "Oh, Rian will be back." 🙏🏽”

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>Rian will be back
Literally why? How is it possible to be so disconnected from reality and keep doing what pisses people off most without an inkling of shame?

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Not gonna lie, I hate them all (JJ, Rian, Kathleen, Iger, Hart, Hidalgo, George, Filoni, etc) in different ways for different reasons.

Everyone who was involved up top had opportunities to speak up. They had opportunities to do better and didn't take them.

I believe TROS could have been salvaged even after TLJ but I don't think anyone cared to put in the work. They wanted to copy bits and pieces of EU works and fanfics and take credit for them while butchering them because nobody actually took the time to do background development.

They gave it to random authors, Cuck Wendig, people who were terribly uninformed and contradicted one another. Then after all of that.....didn't use any of it.

They didn't care. So they're all responsible for this shit.

>Rian will be back
Literally why? How is it possible to be so disconnected from reality and keep doing what pisses people off most without an inkling of shame?

They tried to make a movie bad enough for people to start liking TLJ I guess?

 

[TheMysteriousAHole]

>Rian will be back
Literally why? How is it possible to be so disconnected from reality and keep doing what pisses people off most without an inkling of shame?

That's your typical Hollywood executive right there. To be so detached from reality until reality decides to give you one massive boot in the ass. I'm hoping the boot comes with the release of this film but we'll see.

Not gonna lie, I hate them all (JJ, Rian, Kathleen, Iger, Hart, Hidalgo, George, Filoni, etc) in different ways for different reasons.

No bullshit here: I honestly don't hate them. I think they're incompetent and they clearly don't need to be involved in this franchise anymore but I can't bring myself to hate them. I also think this might be due to the fact that unlike some of you I went through a similar experience back in the early/middle 90's with another franchise and even though I love Star Wars (no shitting here, it's always been a part of my life) I'm just chilling over this.

For me, it was what DC comics did back in the 90's with the Green Lantern franchise that immunized myself from getting angry over all of this.

Also a random aside: It's kinda 'sad' to see how far Pablo's fallen. I remember him being a nice guy back in the 90's from when he was a member of the SW RPG e-mail mailing list.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Well even if the movie does well at the box office, the movie will be the last mega hit for Disney until 2021 when they try to fuck everyone in the ass again, though they won't since Iger's out then.

2020 is going to be a dry year for them. I only see Black Widow and Pixar's Onward being their two only big hits as they won't have the highest grossing film of the year.

Call me optimistic, but my legit predictions on who'll be the highest grossing film of the year are Black Widow (I think this is ScarJo's final MCU film iirc), Bond 25 (putting aside the wokeness, it's Daniel Craig's last ride as Bond), Sonic (the second trailer and redesign is making people warm up which is good for it) and Top Gun 2 (Tom Cruise returning to his breakout role-what more isn't there to be hyped up about).

Also, just imagine the salt and crocodile tears if Sonic outgrosses all of Disney's releases. There's a release they pushed back the Kingsmen prequel for a reason btw.

 

[mindlessobserver]

>Rian will be back
Literally why? How is it possible to be so disconnected from reality and keep doing what pisses people off most without an inkling of shame?

I am starting to think she is doing it on purpose at this point. All those years spent in the shadow of great men like Lucas and Spielberg. All those years being sent to get the coffee, or organize the catering buffet. Over time her young envy turned to old and bitter hate. Hatred for her bosses, hatred for their fans, and most of all, hatred for the thing they had created. And so, when the opportunity presented itself, she acted with the malice and spite of a Vandal. Being utterly incapable of creating something, she chose to destroy it instead.

 

[Judge Holden]

Well even if the movie does well at the box office, the movie will be the last mega hit for Disney until 2021 when they try to fuck everyone in the ass again, though they won't since Iger's out then.

2020 is going to be a dry year for them. I only see Black Widow and Pixar's Onward being their two only big hits as they won't have the highest grossing film of the year.

Call me optimistic, but my legit predictions on who'll be the highest grossing film of the year are Black Widow (I think this is ScarJo's final MCU film iirc), Bond 25 (putting aside the wokeness, it's Daniel Craig's last ride as Bond), Sonic (the second trailer and redesign is making people warm up which is good for it) and Top Gun 2 (Tom Cruise returning to his breakout role-what more isn't there to be hyped up about).

Also, just imagine the salt and crocodile tears if Sonic outgrosses all of Disney's releases. There's a release they pushed back the Kingsmen prequel for a reason btw.

Fuck I dont want to jinx it but if this current disquiet among the shills meets with mass audience rejection and boils over into a GOT season 8 tier backlash then maybe.....just maybe.....we can see our dream of fucking Sanic outgrossing disney by actual profit come true