Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Bad_Guys_are_Good4EVER]

it just means jj wanted rey to have her own super speshiul saber color. orange is "her" color now, just like the falcon is "her" ship now.
stop caring about lore and details, that's toxic nerdshit!

But yellow isn't just "her" color, because according to Cannon both Ventress and Tosan had yellow lightsabers. Now if you are just talking about what's shown in the movies, you'd be right.

But it's the lack of talking/showing lore that caused the new movies to suck so bad. It doesn't help when Rey is the Mary-Sue to the female Jedi's because of "diversity."

 

[Troonos]

The retarded critics are the ones who hate it. The audience is loving it, so it's probably not a gigantic woke disaster like TLJ was. I was going to sit this one out, but I might go see it now.

 

[verissimus]

why tho? to take over her body? and why not just bonk her over the head and kill yourself next to her? kylo could knock her out easily in TFA just pointing at her.

I don't know. I'm just repeating what I heard. That's what JJ says Palpatine wants all of the sudden. It makes about as much sense as him being alive in the first place.

 

[I'mPushingButtons]

I will tell the children that this was the sequel trilogy.

I know some people are seething with rage that Kathleen Kennedy was too dumb to realize there was EU stuff to use for reference or inspiration, thus culminating in the abomination that is the Disney Trilogy. The silver lining is if she were to use any of the good EU stuff, or the KOTOR stuff, she would have ultimately made a horrible bastardization of those concepts and stories thus creating a deeper stain on the lore of Star Wars.

In a way, it is a good thing they created new material for this trilogy. It does not effect anything before it, and we can all ignore it. Instead of KK, RJ, and JJ taking a collective dump on Star Wars history, spraying their fecal matter all over everything we love, they just got a empty canvas and shit all over that instead. All the fans have to do is say "look out, there's shit right there" and hop over it like the dog turd that it is. Only the SJWs and hardcore star wars fans are the ones screeching trying to scrape the shit out of their shoes because they are the ones who decided to hop right in it.

 

[Drihten]

So basically they declared the old EU non-canon while stealing material from several books for this movie, then introduced a new EU with new books to explain each plot hole from the movie for only $9.99 each? Perfect!

Don't forget that they made it worse.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The verified audience score lowered a bit, may be more significant by the end of the day

 

[Fatrick Hamlinson]

My main problem with the plot for all the sequel trilogy movies is that the plot and villains had to be dumbed down so the bland and inept heroes could be on the winning side. It isn't so much that the Resistance won the war: they were given that win from the screenwriters.

Hux and Ren could have been interesting new characters with intellectual depth if only the screenwriters hadn't fucked up so badly in writing the heroes' motivations, abilities, and interactions with other characters. Instead, we got Evil Cosmo Brown and a teenager.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Thanks for the clarifications, I'll go back and edit that line. It's definitely not something we've seen in the movies before, and as someone who hasn't consumed much of the EU, it's easy to miss that kind of thing.

The fact remains that Rey manages to learn how to do this shit without any prior instruction, made all the more obnoxious by those aforementioned EU sources that Force healing required intensive training to pull off.

Which why people find these uses of the Force so obnoxious. They are not earned and there was nothing to indicate the Force could even do any of them. There is no explanation for it beyond "its magic, I don't have to explain shit". You really, really do need to explain it though. The Magic can't be a convenient plot contrivance that can be busted out as the plot needs it. The issue with "Force Healing", is that it goes against the established rules of the magical system. The Force is a Learned Psychic power. You can make rocks float, you can confound people, and you can predict ahead of time where things are going to end up shortly before they end up there. It can also boost your bodies own capabilities by convincing it it is capable of doing more then it does. When a Jedi does a "Force Leap" , they simply are using what their own natural bodies are already capable of, just with the force turning off the limitations, and maybe providing a little extra "push". When they block blaster bolts with the sabre, its because they have heightened reactions aided by a form of precognition.

Its not an all powerful thing though. Jedi are shown to get overwhelmed by blasters all the time. They can get sloppy as their bodies give in to exhaustion. And even the most basic act of force pulling a lightsabre to your hand is something that takes YEARS to learn.

Rey on the other hand can make herself float. Which is broken. If Jedi or Sith can float how did papa palpatine fall down the bottomless pit? Or luke falling at Cloud City? She can heal injuries completely, which is a huge flipping no no as it is biologically impossible. Remember, the Force is limited by what the body itself is capable of. It can boost it a little, but it can't break natural physics. To do that sort of healing she has to somehow magically will new cells into being. Like a fucking god. At best Rey should be able to speed up healing processes. So instead of a grievous wound being instantly fatal, the person can survive and be maybe healed up in a few weeks. Hell, the kinda healing powers she uses come across as the sorts of powers Darth Plagueis and later Anakin Skywalker were trying to get at. And it has been made abundantly clear that any power to manipulate the body in this way is pure Dark Side.

Except for Rey. Rey apparently gets a cheat code that allows her to transcend the system.

 

[Creep3r]

I know some people are seething with rage that Kathleen Kennedy was too dumb to realize there was EU stuff to use for reference or inspiration, thus culminating in the abomination that is the Disney Trilogy. The silver lining is if she were to use any of the good EU stuff, or the KOTOR stuff, she would have ultimately made a horrible bastardization of those concepts and stories thus creating a deeper stain on the lore of Star Wars.

You're honestly right. I mean look at how they handled Thrawn at the end of Rebels just so he wouldn't be an issue in the nu-trilogy. But it doesn't really matter sadly because they already said they want to keep milking Thrawn and do a KOTOR adaptation eventually. So its all screwed no matter what.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Movie Night is a fucking blast.

AS GEORGE INTENDED

doesn't hurt that I drank a bottle of cheap wine to make this all palatable...

 

[Marvel Cinematic Universe]

The exceptional critics are the ones who hate it. The audience is loving it, so it's probably not a gigantic woke disaster like TLJ was. I was going to sit this one out, but I might go see it now.

If you are referencing Rotten Tomatoes, that is their Verified Audience™ score which requires you to send in ID and proof that you purchased a ticket.

This system was created at the behest of Disney as a direct response to the review bombing of Captain Marvel.

With that in mind, tomatometer audience scores are now almost certainly choking with shill reviews.

 

[Reverend]

The verified audience score lowered a bit, may be more significant by the end of the day

Don't just don't. It is by far one of the worst Star Wars movies out there. Don't spend your money on this shitshow, stay home, read a book, hell go out and throw $20 into the Salvation Army bucket as your money would be put to better use. I watched the cam version and it is indeed a rush, forced, hot mess of (EXPOSITION+CHASE)^n until the movie ends with the most inappropriate lines uttered in these movies.

You do you, but for me, that cam was enough to tell friends and family "Fuck that noise, if I wanted to see an explosion movie with shit plot I'll go watch a godzilla movie and at least be entertained instead of sensory overloaded"

Movie Night is a fucking blast.
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AS GEORGE INTENDED

doesn't hurt that I drank a bottle of cheap wine to make this all palatable...

I don't speak "Bomb Wire" what does that say?

 

[ditto]

That was bad as was the battle between Rey and Kylo in her mind. "I told you your parents were no ones...but thats because they wanted to be no ones" or something like that. You can see JJ retcon things in real time and in such an unsubtle manner.

Doesn't he also say something like they sold her for drinking money? The retcon doesn't jibe with that at all.

 

[Slimy Time]

Doesn't he also say something like they sold her for drinking money? The retcon doesn't jibe with that at all.

Oh yeah, I do remember something like that. It's a mess.

 

[ZMOT]

But yellow isn't just "her" color, because according to Cannon both Ventress and Tosan had yellow lightsabers. Now if you are just talking about what's shown in the movies, you'd be right.

But it's the lack of talking/showing lore that caused the new movies to suck so bad. It doesn't help when Rey is the Mary-Sue to the female Jedi's because of "diversity."

old canon? disney canon? can hardly keep track anymore.
and with "her" color I mean like purple is windu's color (even tho it was used before, purple too iirc). most people will see an orange lightsaber for the first time, used by rey.

you have to understand how abrams conceives these movies. read the wiki while getting drunk, staple "rule of cool" to your foreheard, proceed to slam your head repeatedly against a wall - then you're on the level of abrams, where all of this makes sense.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Don't just don't. It is by far one of the worst Star Wars movies out there. Don't spend your money on this shitshow, stay home, read a book, hell go out and throw $20 into the Salvation Army bucket as your money would be put to better use. I watched the cam version and it is indeed a rush, forced, hot mess of (EXPOSITION+CHASE)^n until the movie ends with the most inappropriate lines uttered in these movies.

You do you, but for me, that cam was enough to tell friends and family "Fuck that noise, if I wanted to see an explosion movie with shit plot I'll go watch a godzilla movie and at least be entertained instead of sensory overloaded"

I never even implied I was even spending money on the movie you retard, I was stating that given more people see movies at night, the rotten tomatoes score would lower further with more people seeing it.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I hope Mark Hamill walks away from this and doesn't look back. We might never get another film where Disney can use him because he's already quite old, and when they had their chance to utilise him in a way no-one else was ever able to, they threw him away in favour of some cheap, short-term feminist bullshit.

Fuck them.

 

[PseudoScrooge]

Why 27 discs? Even with special features and documentaries it there shouldn't be that many discs? Does the set include the original 'un-specialised' versions? Work prints? The Plinkett Reviews?

You watch...this is going to be the way they ensure people buy it. They will either include original theatrical versions, or something that's just as desirable. I'm calling it now.

 

[ScatmansWorld]

I don't speak "Bomb Wire" what does that say?

It’s just a type of ad that plays in a lot of cam rips advertising an Indian casino or some shit. I see sites like “BetX” or whatever watermark these pirated movie rips and I’m not sure where they come from or how/why they’re doing it.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

It's just that all this talk of Star Wars made me think back to when I was a kid and how excited I was to see Return of The Jedi back during the special edition re-releases.

I just wish I could have that feeling at least one last time again, I actually thought I really didn't care that much about Star Wars anymore, but thinking back to what it was like for me as a kid made me realize what has been lost.

Those Kiwis old enough to have seen the nine films in the studio or shortly after release in other forms (video, DVD, etc.) could probably share plenty of firsthand stories about the anticipation and excitement surrounding news that another SW film was coming out. For example, a good number of my sixth grade classmates couldn't wait to order the book version of Return of the Jedi once it was an option in the monthly book sale thing our school participated in. Once we got our copies, our free time was abuzz with discussions of favorite scenes, surprises, and a key difference between the hardcover and paperback version (The former showed Luke's head being zapped by Palpatine's lightning whereas the latter had Luke edited out -- possibly to keep the image kid/PG-13 friendly).

In short, there was plenty of excitement because much of the viewing/target audience (children and early adolescents) had no concept of trilogies and enjoyed the news that Star Wars was coming out with another installment, for lack of a better word.

I still recall plenty of buzz when Episodes I & II came out, even if the prequels had their issues. Sure, every film has them -- even favorite ones -- but older fans tend to look at films more critically and be more aware of on-screen things that just don't feel right... the stuff they wouldn't be aware of as kids due to their youth. While I can't recall too much of a fervent buzz over Episode III, perhaps that's because the ending was obvious even before the film was released and people just wanted to see how that ending played out.

Any buzz for the ST, however, faded drastically with each film's release. TFA generated enough because people wanted to see Disney's first stab at a SW film. Many were alienated by its being a retread of ANH, but some still waited to see what the next film was like. TLJ, however, killed a lot of long-time fans' interest with its horrid story telling and lack of cohesion with existing SW lore and (most importantly) the previous film. Apart from diehard fans and the usual shills, I've yet to see anyone unironically interested seeing Episode IX.

TL;DR - Disney not only killed the franchise, but has consistently killed off fan interest in the short time it's owned the SW IP . They'll be hard-pressed to win back long-time fans further alienated by Episode IX even if their next SW work hits a home run.
(E: wrong word and clarity)