Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Jaimas]

Here's my problem with Mandalorian:

It's good. An obvious bone thrown to fans. Unfortunately it exists for one purpose, and one purpose only, and that's to keep the last flickering embers of the fandom of this franchise alive. Unfortunately, those more familiar with this (thanks to Marvel) know where it leads: right off a fucking cliff. It's better to temper your expectations and grab the knife now, so if the rot sets in you're ready to excise it before it reaches anything important.

The problem is simple: now that it's successful, you're going to have entitled fuckers in Disney-Lucasfilm demanding that the new IP be handed over to them. More zero-talent hacks like Ku Klux Kennedy. And odds are high they're going to get it. Even if the Mandalorian tanks because they were handed it. In fact, especially if it tanks because they were handed it.

If you look at Marvel Comics, it's become what's essentially a non-stop litany of shitty woke comic after shitty woke comic loaded with obvious ideological and political pandering and they all sell like dog-shit. So they use every single trick to shore up the numbers and then periodically fire everyone, only to hire a new batch of autists tainted by the same poisoned well. The end result is a never-ending cavalcade of fucking atrocious pandering comics that no matter how often they fail, keep getting made anyway with clockwork regularity despite no one buying them.

Denying the fandom is more important to them than making money. And if they were willing to tank one of the most profitable franchises ever, why the fuck do you think they'd stop with this?

 

[Creep3r]

Just gonna ignore the crazy drunk for the time being until he sobers up.

I was surprised to not see Ben in that scene. If you're going to rip off RotJ, go all the way or you end up with stuff that doesn't make sense.

Can't have too many ghosts without pissing off the Chinese. Also does this mean Kylo Ren wasn't redeemed? Is he gonna go to Sith Hell now? Holy fuck what if they're actually trying to imply that he can resurrect himself? What if that's part of Project Luminous? If that's the case that's an even bigger slap in the face which I didn't think possible.

Just watched the last episode on Mandalorian...

Spoiler

And i knew what it would be about since the title

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Fucking IG-11 stole the show, showing Mando he can protect the baby and sacrificing himself to do so, making Mando finally change his mind about him, good action, good comedy, good use of previous characters, Mando finally gets his jetpack, but kind of a bummer both IG-11 and Kuiil are fucking dead, i mean, yeah you need some character's deaths in order to keep that somewhat serious tone this space western wants to have, i just hope Mando's allies getting killed doesn't become a trend (like it did with Kenshiro in Hokuto No Ken 2), because poor bastard doesn't have many friends to being with, let's see what happens in season 2 next year

As I said before, the best thing Favreau did was remember that aliens and droids can be just as important, complex, expressive and emotional as humans, maybe even more so. Something Disney clearly forgot. However, the fact that they killed both of them worries me. Especially if it was only to make room for more human diversity.

Here's my problem with Mandalorian:

It's good. An obvious bone thrown to fans. Unfortunately it exists for one purpose, and one purpose only, and that's to keep the last flickering embers of the fandom of this franchise alive. Unfortunately, those more familiar with this (thanks to Marvel) know where it leads: right off a fucking cliff. It's better to temper your expectations and grab the knife now, so if the rot sets in you're ready to excise it before it reaches anything important.

The problem is simple: now that it's successful, you're going to have entitled fuckers in Disney-Lucasfilm demanding that the new IP be handed over to them. More zero-talent hacks like Ku Klux Kennedy. And odds are high they're going to get it. Even if the Mandalorian tanks. In fact, especially if it tanks.

If you look at Marvel Comics, it's become what's essentially a non-stop litany of shitty woke comic after shitty woke comic loaded with obvious ideological and political pandering and they all sell like dog-shit. So they use every single trick to shore up the numbers and then periodically fire everyone, only to hire a new batch of autists tainted by the same poisoned well. The end result is a never-ending cavalcade of fucking atrocious pandering comics that no matter how often they fail, keep getting made anyway with clockwork regularity despite no one buying them.

Denying the fandom is more important to them than making money. And if they were willing to tank one of the most profitable franchises ever, why the fuck do you think they'd stop with this?

Pretty much this.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

LMAO Kylo Ren's monkey is not only his blacksmith but he's a fucking SITH

Do the current people at Lucasfilm know that you can be a darkside user without being a Sith? Just make Magilla some kinda darkside using warlock. But then I guess they wouldn't be able to use the darkside of marketing to sell this shit...

 

[dvdlee18]

I'm sure there was always going to be a remake of the Obi-Wan/Maul fight, but I suspect that it was intended to take place in TCW before its cancellation caused the fight to be moved to Rebels. Don't know how much of a fight it would have been either. One of the things I really liked about the non-canon comic was Obi-Wan dominated the fight because he was now a Jedi Master. As he pointed out, he was no longer a Padawan and Maul was no match for him.

what eu comic did obi wan have the rematch with maul?

 

[Love Machine]

So how did the mom get his hands on the darksaber? I thought some mandalorian from Rebels had it.

 

[Liquid Kent]

what eu comic did obi wan have the rematch with maul?

Old Wounds - first chapter of Star Wars Visionaries, a collection of artists doing their thing in the SW Universe.

Star Wars: Visionaries

Star Wars: Visionaries is a graphic novel published by Dark Horse Comics. It features 11 stories written and drawn by concept artists who worked on Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith. Visionaries was edited by Jeremy Barlow and contains an introduction by Jonathan W. Rinzler, who came up...

starwars.fandom.com

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

As I said before, the best thing Favreau did was remember that aliens and droids can be just as important, complex, expressive and emotional as humans, maybe even more so. Something Disney clearly forgot. However, the fact that they killed both of them worries me. Especially if it was only to make room for more human diversity.

In a fantasy or sci-fi setting like Star Wars, aliens and droids are people too, it's kind of lame if only human characters are important and everyone else it's just background decoration not to mention a huge wasted potential, the fact they actually bothered to give aliens and droids real characterization makes The Mandalorian feel far more like Star Wars compared to the Disney trilogy

 

[Reverend]

Here's one other thing I'm unsure if it was posted in this thread or elsewhere: hyperspace skipping.

Now we know there are (were) rules that hyperspace drives needed to power up a bit, took lots of calculations, and needed some intense power behind it or you will end up inside a sun. Now Poe in the last movie throws all that out the window cranks the lever to 11 and back and forth like he's yanking a carney ride for sped children hyped up on funnel cakes. At no time does he have any calculations, the falcon isn't the brightest/fastest of ships thanks to FemBot2k18 jacked into it, and based on everything we know about hyperspace Poe should've ended up inside a rock, a building, a star destroyer, the goddamn sun of a solar system. Yet he doesn't and doesn't even seem worried about it. Chewie isn't even raging at him to cut that shit out as it could get them all killed and he's 300+ years old and knows the risks of this type of behavior. FURTHERMORE, the First order is able to keep up with him because those small ships have the same type of computational power, can track through hyperspace, and know the exact and random time Poe will pull the lever and then return to space.

I know I'm supposed to NOT question and JUST CONSUME, but this bothers me on an engineering and physics level that baffles my fucking skull how some pilot pull a lever that speeds them through space and time in random intervals yet the enemy forces are able to triangulate in minute detail and without error.

These powerful triangulation and guidance systems don't spring up over night so if they were already on the First Order at the onset of the movie they would have them on capital ships by and large. With that bit of knowledge we can understand that Holdo's ships would never have escaped the First Order as the First Order's ships could've sent tie fighters, bombers, and transports to HyperSkip ahead of the ships, intercept them and blow them to pieces. Why didn't the First Order do this if the could triangulate where a ship would be ahead of time and have the ships met there. The FO could've just had a few dozen tie fighters end up in front of the ships and BOOM chase is over before it begun.


Once again we see the law of unintended consequences for shitty writing rise it's ugly head as now no matter where you go in the universe another ship can follow you with 100% accuracy so why bother running then if they will remain at the same distance, or less , when they jump with you.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

In a fantasy or sci-fi setting like Star Wars, aliens and droids are people too, it's kind of lame if only human characters are important and everyone else it's just background decoration not to mention a huge wasted potential

They are also easy as shit to write. There are no aliens or robots in Star Wars. They are just variations of humans.

 

[Creep3r]

what eu comic did obi wan have the rematch with maul?

Star Wars: Visionaries anthology from 2005. The story in the comic was called Old Wounds.

It wasn't really canon and was just a stand alone story, but it was an interesting what-if story nonetheless.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Denying the fandom is more important to them than making money. And if they were willing to tank one of the most profitable franchises ever, why the fuck do you think they'd stop with this?

Great post. I think there is just one thing I would like to add. I think people are misunderstanding the end goal of these people

They aren't trying to convert the old fans, woke culture has been universally rejected by most fans of the franchises they have infiltrated too. But that's not the goal. They know they can't change our minds.

I once heard an influential SJW mention that they are waiting for the old guard to die (yes he used those words) so that the new generation would take over with woke values. There is this idea that the old guard is too corrupt and only the new generation can save the world (with them controlling that new generation thinks that is).

Kylo Ren was very sincere in what they are trying to do. Let the past die; kill if you have too.

There's also one scene from that Disney cartoon Star vs that makes this clear. Long story short racism ensues, Parents are racists;kids aren't.

So, one character says "Our generation is garbage; but the little one might turn out ok."

In other words, the woke mob is playing the long game, that's why they can afford to lose money, they aren't really after you or me; they are after children, kids and idealistic teenagers that feel their tweets are changing the world.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

So how did the mom get his hands on the darksaber? I thought some mandalorian from Rebels had it.

From Wookiepedia:

After rescuing her father from Imperial custody and destroying the superweapon she had built while an Imperial cadet, Sabine gave the Darksaber over to Bo-Katan Kryze, who she deemed to be the rightful person to lead the Mandalorians against the Empire.

Some time thereafter, the weapon fell into the hands of Moff Gideon.

OOOPS!

In other words, the woke mob is playing the long game, that's why they can afford to lose money, they aren't really after you or me; they are after children, kids and idealistic teenagers that feel their tweets are changing the world.

Isn't Gen Z turning out more conservative than Millenials?

 

[Love Machine]

From Wookiepedia:



OOOPS!

Never trust a woman!

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

There's only one Mysteries of the Sith:



Sadly it was being remade in Jedi Academy, but the team couldn't find enough time to even finish the first 3 levels: https://www.moddb.com/mods/mysteries-of-the-sith-jka-modification

Thankfully they released the source code of the mod for someone else to pick it back up: https://jkhub.org/files/file/2597-mysteries-of-the-sith-mod-source-files/

Is there a good Jedi Knight Dark Forces II Mod for JKO/JKA?

 

[Cyril Sneer]

To whomever was complaining about the second Death Star having a weak-point that you could fly a starfighter into, that's easily explained by the fact that it was still under construction (Mon Mothma emphasizing its unfinished state as part of the reason that the Rebels need to strike now during the briefing aboard Home One in ROTJ). Once construction had been completed, that access-tunnel would have been sealed up (although the Rebels were never supposed to get that far anyway, because the entire thing was a trap organized by Palpatine with himself as bait).

You know, I like most of the BLR Star Wars vids that I've seen, Bushes of Love is especially one of my <3 jams...

I never really liked the one that one you posted though... When did C3P0 become a street shitter?

So far as I know, that's just the voice they've always used for him (maybe a subtle jab at how prissy and servile the character is), just like Artoo is apparently a small child and Chewie is a whiny teenager.

While doing a search for Lego TIE fighter models, I stumbled upon Brick Vault's website, which has a variety of highly-detailed custom TIE fighter model instructions for sale, including the TIE Defender. You still have to acquire your own bricks, and it kinda sucks having to purchase the instructions too, but they look rather well-designed.

Thanks for the link.

Also, can someone explain to me what Mandalorians were doing during the Clone Wars?

It's implication was that they were fighting for Republic in this episode. But, I didn't watch "Clone Wars", so I have no idea...

Granted, I know Mandalorians fight for whoever they wish. They could have been found with the Empire or the Rebels. I just didn't know if there was a specific side....

As Miller said, they were kind of all over the place. Pre-Disney EU had them fighting for both the Separatists and the Republic, with the pro-Separatists being divided between the opportunistic Death Watch, and the more idealistic Mandalorian Protector faction, lead by a defective ARC Trooper designated "Spar" who had come to believe that he was Boba Fett (and would later be remembered as such by his 2-in-C, the future Rebellion-era Mandalore Fenn Shysa*). On the Republic side, a smaller number of Mandos, generally those with personal links to the Cuy'Val Dar drill instructors that Jango Fett had selected for training the Clone Troopers, fought alongside the Grand Army.

Then, of course, TCW sort of retconned this, with Satine Kryze's "New Mandalorian" faction being introduced as the spokesmen for what was implied to be a huge swathe of neutral systems during the Clone Wars, then Pre Vizsla's (later Maul's) Death Watch faction started a civil war (and then the show ended on a cliffhanger with the implication that the Republic was going to launch a major military intervention in response). Rebels had the Rebellion-era Mandalorians divided between pro-Imperial collaborators (designated "Imperial Supercommandos" in homage to Boba Fett's original character profile in the Summer, 1978 issue of the official Star Wars fanzine) and a loose alliance of several clans opposing them.

*The fact that Fenn apparently remembers being briefed on Leia during the Clone Wars, not to mention remembering fighting on behalf of Palpatine and the Empire against the Republic during the same time-period, was later explained as the result of Fenn being a bit loopy due to the wounds that he'd suffered over the years, causing him to confuse Leia with her mother, Senator Amidala among other things.

Yeah, I wasn't expecting to see it on the show. I thought Maul had it.

It last showed up in the possession of Poochie on Rebels.

Better than anything in the entirety of the Sequel trilogy or the prequels for that matter...

I'm getting the feeling Boba Fett is coming back at some point.

I don't have a problem with it, as long as they do something interesting with him. Since, he is kinda of a nothing character.

I think "nothing" is pushing it a bit. Boba Fett, at least as he used to be written in the EU, is kind of an interesting deconstruction (I think that that's the right term) of the kind of one-dimensional "badass" character that many people seem to think that he is, since he has no home, friends, no family, no social life, nothing beyond his profession as a bounty hunter and mercenary. Granted, Karen Traviss and one or two other authors had him gradually mellowing out and starting to try and connect with other people once age began catching up with him, but for the most part, his life was a fundamentally empty one, and that would make for an interesting contrast with the show's Mando, and his gradually-increasing band of friends and allies.

But Temeura Morrison is like the perfect age for old Boba Fett.

I would adore it if they referenced, "The Wild Bunch" with the character. That is. a guy who was clearly a villanious person who does a moral act. He dies going out a hero/badass...

That would be cool.

Personally I think Maul's return should've been handled as a one shot story, but the TCW stuff would've felt more natural to the story if they just did not have his brother exist. I never liked Savage Opress to begin with. A more neater alternative would've been to have Ventress run off to find the last failed Sith apprentice after being betrayed by Dooku and teaming up with him for revenge. So having her and Maul team up (before eventually going separate ways due to conflicting views) would've been a far better story that would also help Ventress to see that giving into your anger makes you become a monster like Maul. It would've been better for the both of them than the Savage and the Dathomir witches stories. Sad part is even my grievances with those storylines don't seem that bad anymore when compared to that crap Disney pulled on them.

I dunno why they wrote Maul into the ongoing Mandalorian sub-plot. It seems very strange that the TCW Mandos, who are clearly a homogeneous human culture (rather than Traviss's multi-species mixing pot), would accept this weird alien Sith reject into their ranks with so little fuss.

As for Ventress, I think she should have gotten her "redemption arc" on the end of a blade. I just don't buy that character going from smooching her victims while impaling them on lightsabers to being some kind of sort-of remorseful bounty hunter anti-hero.

Say what you will about Fallen Order, at least they treat Vader right (well, except towards the end of the fight when stronk black lady beats him with the Force).

I don't want him to be some invincible juggernaut who can just wade through entire armies (which IMO cheapens the character as much as anything else) but taking on Vader should clearly be a Very Big Deal, and something that you're unlikely to walk away from.

That panel makes me full on hate the character into near the level of exogol (I only normally hated her until I saw this) and I now will laugh as she never sells and will refuse to watch or touch anything with her in it. That's why I fully expect they're gonna shove this noncanon pile of shit into the Mandalorian and wonder why their views tank.

So we have officially entered the stage of wistfully reminiscing about the endless super-duper-planetkiller-ships the old EU shat out every week....

Crazy, innit?

Is it just me, or does anyone else find the sequel-era ships so fucking ugly? Literally every ship that wasn't a retread of a classic OT-era starship looks like it was designed by an 8 year old.
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I don't know, I just find these designs either bland, impractical, or both.

It's probably another sign of Lucasfilm personnel being increasingly divorced from the real world in general and military life in particular that so many of these ships seem purposely designed to create the largest-possible target profile from the front...

One of the few things the EU got right was putting Ackmena in the main canon. I swear I remember reading she helped fight and save people but I can not find a trace of it. Apparently she was still running the bar though, and they made her lesbian...

Of course they did.

Wasn't the final episode of the 80s show some crap about King Randor throwing a birthday party? There was nothing unresolved from that show, and it was followed by a crappy sequel series that has He-Man and Skeletor summoned to the future where all their friends and family are dead yet they don't seem to care but even that ends with Skeletor ultimately defeated. Honestly, I never understood the appeal of He-Man outside of the toys, especially when Thundercats was far superior in every single damn way, right down to the action, animation, characters, intro and world building (at least before the 3rd season shat the bed). Yet media outlets and "geek culture" keep acting as if the He-Man cartoon was some pinnacle of action cartoons.

I think there are probably two major schools of thought in regards to Masters of the Universe: there's the gay hipster crowd that "ironically" loves the Filmation cartoon for being campy (and will usually go out of their way to tell you about how they like the She-Ra cartoon even better), and then there are those who fell in love with the concept of "He-Man" as originally envisioned by Mattel's designers and artists before the cartoon dumbed it down and made it acceptably neutered for easily-rattled American mothers in the 1980s: a bleak, post-apocalyptic world dominated by mutants and black sorcery, where a few beleaguered heroes fight back against the all-engulfing darkness with half-understood magic of their own and whatever scraps of salvaged high technology from the Lost Age they can get their hands on.

I mean, just look at this shit. LOOK AT IT!

Thundercats is cool too, though. I'm still pissed that the very classy 2011 reboot was prematurely canceled.

Incinerator troopers first appeared like 11 years ago in the Force Unleashed multimedia project.

A Tie Fighter series would be pretty kino, but Marvel already tried making a comic book out of it and frankly I'd rather they never touch on the subject again. Especially if the series intends to be based on Marvel shit.

Obligatory re-post:

TIE Fighter Remastered - Star Wars Anime Short Film

Took the amazing video from Otaking77077 and remastered the sound with crisp SFX from Star wars: Battlefront and Star Wars music from Star Wars: Rogue One AL...

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[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Isn't Gen Z turning out more conservative than Millenials?

No idea. But that wouldn't surprise me at all. New generations usually rebel and do the opposite of what the old one is doing. That would just mean SJWs are failing and that's good news for me.

I guess if I had to put what's happening in a few words it would be like this:

SJWs aren't trying to convert; they are trying to replace (with new generations).

 

[fishercat]

The rule of 2 - Darth bane

Yo I loved the rule of 2 book series. One of the few EU books I actually own.

 

[Love Machine]

why do mythosaur skulls look completely different from mythosaurs?

judging from the skull, it even looks omnivorous or herbivorous

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Here's one other thing I'm unsure if it was posted in this thread or elsewhere: hyperspace skipping.

Now we know there are (were) rules that hyperspace drives needed to power up a bit, took lots of calculations, and needed some intense power behind it or you will end up inside a sun. Now Poe in the last movie throws all that out the window cranks the lever to 11 and back and forth like he's yanking a carney ride for sped children hyped up on funnel cakes. At no time does he have any calculations, the falcon isn't the brightest/fastest of ships thanks to FemBot2k18 jacked into it, and based on everything we know about hyperspace Poe should've ended up inside a rock, a building, a star destroyer, the goddamn sun of a solar system. Yet he doesn't and doesn't even seem worried about it. Chewie isn't even raging at him to cut that shit out as it could get them all killed and he's 300+ years old and knows the risks of this type of behavior. FURTHERMORE, the First order is able to keep up with him because those small ships have the same type of computational power, can track through hyperspace, and know the exact and random time Poe will pull the lever and then return to space.

I know I'm supposed to NOT question and JUST CONSUME, but this bothers me on an engineering and physics level that baffles my fucking skull how some pilot pull a lever that speeds them through space and time in random intervals yet the enemy forces are able to triangulate in minute detail and without error.

These powerful triangulation and guidance systems don't spring up over night so if they were already on the First Order at the onset of the movie they would have them on capital ships by and large. With that bit of knowledge we can understand that Holdo's ships would never have escaped the First Order as the First Order's ships could've sent tie fighters, bombers, and transports to HyperSkip ahead of the ships, intercept them and blow them to pieces. Why didn't they do this if the could triangulate where a ship would be ahead of time and have the ships met there. The FO could've just had a few dozen tie fighters end up in front of the ships and BOOM chase is gone.


Once again we see the law of unintended consequences for shitty writing rise it's ugly head as now no matter where you go in the universe another ship can follow you with 100% accuracy so why bother running then if they will remain at the same distance, or less , when they jump with you.

To go in further with the "DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH YOU FAGGOTS!" let's take a look at a fairly in-depth and gritty video game with a LOT of territory.

Elite: Dangerous

Now, I spent some time exploring the galaxy (Even have my name down with the cartography guild as the one who surveyed the entire system on quite a few systems) and one thing was, it took time not only for my navigation computer to do all the computations for a jump, but time for the drive the charge, AND I had to go at it in a certain angle.

One thing I watched was my fucking fuel. NOTHING is more embarassing than running out of fuel halfway out one of the galactic arms with a load of ore.

Now, we know in Star Wars you can enter hyperspace from any angle, but you still have to avoid major interferences.

Again, with the research, you'd quickly see what:

Sufficient amount of mass will drop you back into real-space and might make you explode.

Can you imagine Poe trying that dumb shit and hitting the old leading edge of a supernova from a couple eons ago that's slowed down into a thick fucking particle wave? Or hitting a gravitational shear caused by a binary star system with a few good sized gas giants?

Just the slightest forethought beyond "DIS IS SO KOOL AND MAKES OUR NEW GUYS MAKE THE OLD GUYS LOOK OLD AND BROKE WHERE WE'RE HIP AND WOKE!" and half of these fucking problems would be answered.

And if they think we didn't go criticize the OT, they're fucking stupid.

Even my dad liked to talk about Star Wars while we were sitting up in the deer blind.

"Where do you think Obi-Wan went?"
"If TIE Fighters aren't hyperspace capable, why would they be with a convoy? Does that mean they send carriers with convoys?"
"Do you think X-Wings are hyperspace capable?" (This was OT)
"Why did the Rebellion make a single forward assault instead of sending them in several different groups to attack from multiple angles?"
"A parsec is a distance. Do you think it's hyperspace parsecs, meaning he somehow found a shortcut through hyperspace?"
"Do you think Toshi Station is a bar or a an outpost?"
"Can you believe Greedo was dumb enough to let someone like Han get his hand under the table? What a fucking rube."

Maybe it's a symptom of SJW Hollywood being so disconnected from the real world and Disney getting too comfortable as the 900 lb gorilla, but if we're going to use real world comparisons, I wonder if Current Year +3 is Hollywood's Vietnam?

They're being roundly rejected, their pet movies and directors are being booed, and their allies are fucking worthless.

 

[Cemila Mandes]

what eu comic did obi wan have the rematch with maul?

As others have already stated, it was "Old Wounds" from the Star Wars: Visionaries anthology. I'll add that I find it interesting how it was the one story specifically identified as non-canon, whereas others (like the General Grievous origin) were supposed to be canon. It's like Lucasfilm never wanted Maul to come back.