Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Speaking of the prequels, I have a question. Everyone is always saying they would've been much better if someone had had the guts to tell George what he was doing wrong...But, could they?

I mean, Are we sure George wouldn't have just fired anyone that questioned in the spot?

Sure, before Lucas became famous, the OT trilogy cast did tell him his dialogue sucked when they thought the Star Wars would be a forgettable sci-fi movie, and once they became irreplaceable, and his famous friends like Spielberg also didn't have trouble telling him. They were his equals after all.

But during the prequels, who could've told him? Was he even open to criticism or did he fire anyone that questioned him?

Honest question. I don't know.

I think when they say that (or at least when I say it) they/I am envisioning someone Lucas is somewhat accountable to and can't just summarily fire or dismiss off hand. He just needs a handler, a Lucas-to-Actual-Person translator.

The OT cast got away with stepping to Lucas the first movie because Lucas had no budget and was in a little over his head, scrambling. He couldn't go around firing people, and even if he did, he didn't carry too much water in hollywood at the time; your career wasn't going to be seriously and lastingly harmed. After the movie was a huge hit, Harrison Ford could freely tell Lucas his script fucking sucked for the next two movies - what was Lucas going to do, recast his most popular character*?

For the PT, Lucas had unlimited time and budget. He answered only to himself, and he had considerable pull and connections via Spielberg. Stepping to Lucas would have come with potentially serious repercussions.

His most seasoned actors were mostly side characters; Samuel L. Jackson didn't have any cringe lines. Ian had some....bizarre.... lines but worked them. So its entirely possible they had dialogue just as attrocious, but talked to Lucas and got it changed (or just adlibed)
Add to that Lucas kept changing actors for Anakin. For Phantom Menace it was a young boy. As fucking epic as it would have been for pre-voice change Jake Lloyd to have told Lucas his script blows ass, no one is going to expect a kid to do anything other than read what they're given.





*Sorry Luke/Mark, you know its true.
 
Maybe it would look better if everything had that sort of Flash Gordon atomic-punk sleekness, but everything else is angular, and so is the fore of the ship.
Should have gone with the sleek look of the PT, or something close to it to show how much things have improved. I always viewed the technological progress and ship designs in Star Wars akin to how cars have changed over the years (not a car person btw).

PT: 50's style cars with beautiful curves, leather seats and wooden dashboards. Driving in style.
OT: 70's style cars with more power and features, boxy and utilitarian, plastic back-lit dashboards. Driving for performance.

The ST should have been a marriage of the two styles.
 
I think everybody who gives a good goddamn about Star Wars hates Rian Johnson, except SW Cuck or anybody that allows his wife to get plowed by Darnell and is happy about it.

Rian is a corporate toady who did the will of Disney while pretending to be independent minded. That's why I think he's despicable. He hides behind this 'I'm an artist' defense while sucking Iger's dick. Not only that, he seemed gleeful about destroying the franchise. It boggles my mind to this day that they let him destroy every single plot point from JJ's movie, basically butcher the second movie so badly that it could only be viewed as decent if it weren't a Star Wars film and actually end the film with nowhere to go.

Its fucking mind blowing to me that they let this happen.

Speaking of the prequels, I have a question. Everyone is always saying they would've been much better if someone had had the guts to tell George what he was doing wrong...But, could they?

I mean, Are we sure George wouldn't have just fired anyone that questioned him?

Sure, before Lucas became famous, the OT trilogy cast did tell him his dialogue sucked when they thought the Star Wars would be a forgettable sci-fi movie, and later once they became irreplaceable, and his famous friends like Spielberg also didn't have trouble telling him. They were his equals after all.

But during the prequels, who could've told him? Was he even open to criticism or did he fire anyone that questioned him?

Honest question. I don't know.

If you look at the Behind the Scenes footage, everyone looked terrified of Gorge. My guess is if you didn't toe his line you got shit-canned.
 
Cara Dune is from Alderaan?
Holy fuck.
That right there is more character motivation and backstory than all the dipshits in ST combined.

She keeps making the "I want a baby" eyes at Baby Yoda. I volunteer to put one in her.
I gotta agree, you're right.

Between being from Alderaan, being a Drop Trooper, basically admitting that after the cease-fire/truce she kept killing every Imperial she met (What I've been doing carries death sentences), and making "belly go tik tik tik tik" eyes at Baby Yoda, they did more for her character than three fucking movies did for MaRey SueWalker or anyone else.

She's someone that if she saw Leia, there would be a reason for a tearful hug. She's someone we could see being part of the early Resistance.

I'm wondering if they'll let Baby Yoda start talking or anything. If Yoda was 900 years old and died the aging process at that 50 years per 1 year would make him 18 when he died. I'm sure this has been covered.

I would imagine he ends up aging quickly during his middle years and then slows down again towards the end.

To get all nerd aging occurs differently in all sorts of species. For example your dog ages to what would be human adulthood within a year or two. They then slow down the aging process quite rapidly in comparison. Perhaps the Yoda species ages normally to 1 year old then slows down allowing the brain to develop slower to gain more access to the force and ability to use powers. It may then age at a different rate once the brain has fully developed for the body to catch up. I'm sure there's all sorts of acne scarred debates elsewhere on line but I figured I'd throw my two cents in. You folks have any thoughts on it?
Well, there's the "Elf" bit. This was covered in Shadowrun (the best, right down to endocrine data) and AD&D. Elves in AD&D don't mature all the way until 125 years old, which led to questions.

See, herd animals and other cooperative races mature slower so provide better in-group bonds. Slower maturity allows for some social and emotional development before the big muscles kick in.

By keeping Yoda's race an infant for say fifty years, then probably a quick 50 years to adolescence, then 25 years of "hormonal storm" adolescence, he gets time not only to learn about the Force, form emotional bonds, learn to handle his empathy, it prevents his race from pretty much going all Kylo Ren.

Let's go with humans. Real slow to grow the first 5 or so years. Then a pause for a couple years with slow growth. Then... BAM! Full adulthood really fucking fast. Remember the growth pains, the muscle aches, and practically getting taller every damn day?

Which also answers the question of why Yoda could throw lightning. More than likely angry teenage Yoda's throw that shit at each other all the time when they lost their shit. That's why he was able to catch it so easily. If you had your older sister chasing you throwing lightning at you because you put her bra in the space-freezer, you'd learn to deal with that shit in a quickness.

So, in a way, I feel it's a call-back to the more fantasy side of Star Wars. "900 years old you will, look this good you will not" shows he was elderly as fuck, probably his life extended by the Force anyway.

At 50 years the Force powers kick in. Brain patterns begin shifting, Force neural wiring begins forming, (Midichlorian count increases? Is Midiclorian still canon?), the Force ability of empathy kicks in (Why did he strangle Cara Dune? He senses the aggression and competition as well as her long standing rage and willingness to murder and tried to "help" Mando from a "physical attack"), he begins forming attachments that go along with the empathy. Mastery of all those abilities takes decades. But the small body doesn't have the training or the willpower reserves to allow him to do any of the Force tricks for long, making his learning safety gauged by his willpower score, to use gaming speak. Say, 50 years for that, then it's time for his body to grow, and his powers to expand, grow, and strengthen. By the time he's an adult, at say, 125 (using the elves again), he's got good control, knows how powerful he's going to be, and there's a lifetime of growing his power, attaining wisdom, teaching others.

Say, 125 years to maturity, then 600-700 years past that, with massively slowed (by our standards) aging.
 
So I finally finished the Mandalorian...and uh, wow. In one episode...

...Cara Dune, a background character, has her motivations and history revealed in a single line of dialogue that is more effective than anything in the three sequel movies.

...Showed more respect for the lore of the universe in a the thirty seconds with the dark saber than the sequel trilogy ever did in its 6+ hours.

...Moff Gideon has already succeeded more than Kylo Ren even though he loses.

...has shown a proper circular narrative with Mando being lifted up and saved and then him lifting up and saving baby yoda

...proper hooks without mystery boxes

...the villain losing in a way that is earned and not simplistic or without merit.

I mean, a singular 45 minute episode of a show for a streaming service just ass fucked a six hour, billion dollar movie franchise. It is unbelievable how badly Lucasfilm has failed. Kathleen Kennedy obviously should have been fired a long time ago, but this basically cements the need for her firing. Her ideas to replace the built in audience were patently fucking idiotic and have failed on a massive scale.

Since this is also the general Star Wars thread, here is something mildly interesting that has nothing to do with RotS: of the Top 10 Mods of 2019 (Player's Choice) on moddb, a whopping 5 were Star Wars mods (mostly for Empire at War).

Star Wars still has an audience and a very strong appeal. However, its not the RIGHT audience that Kathleen Kennedy wants, Bob Iger fucktardedly agreed to replace (and if he wasn't paying attention he's a fucking idiot too). The audience for the sequel trilogy are basically general consumers who aren't particularly loyal to anything and won't stick with the brand. Reylos and the like will basically fade out of existence now, as basically that story is over and Daisy Ridley wants nothing more to do with Star Wars (None of the cast do, actually). Those little girls wearing Rey outfits? Yeah, they don't give a fuck and are gone. Nu-Trilogy merch is basically rotting on shelves. Rey is a boring as fuck character that I can make a costume out of with a single biege sheet. So she's got 0 staying power in the cosplay scene. And Kylo Ren is a fucking cuck and a loser and nobody is going to cosplay his dumb ass. There's actually 0 cosplay that will go of them, the Mandalorian is going to get all that shit. I guarantee you'll see more Cara Dunes than you'll see Reys and more Mandos than you'll see of all other prequel characters combined.

Its kind of amazing. For a property that has basically been mishandled for a long time, it still has a very loyal and devoted following to it. Just no one wants to make them anything. Which is weird. But ok.

I mean, we've effectively witnessed a 4 billion dollar property destroy its own audience to get a fake audience and the company try to gaslight its former audience into thinking they had a new one when they didn't, then when that didn't work, they tried crawling back to the former audience ineffectively who now greatly enjoy shitting on something that they formerly loved. What Disney did was patently idiotic.
 
sorry for the long post

It last showed up in the possession of Poochie on Rebels.
Right and then she gave it to Bo-Katan.

Once again confirming that she's way over 1000 years old and older than fucking Yoda himself just because Disney needs to have better versions of every old character.
Oh so now it's confirmed. This is why she was the narrator on the all-female SW: Forces of Diversity animated show. In the right timeline, you would have Anthony Daniels as 3P0 telling the whole story while R2 makes beeping noises.

Where does that leave Feige?
Far away from the SW franchise, I hope.

People are now insisting the prequels are good movies
The Prequels were good movies.

SJW are both failing and winning. On one hand, the movement towards a more diverse world is coming. Hell, it's already here...
They've won. Their goal wasn't diversity, it was the destruction of every myth and values in our current societies.

Okay kiwifarms, I want your genuine thoughts and predictions: will we ever EVER get a rian johnson trilogy? What do you think it would have been about?
nevahggkdp.jpg

No surprise there. We've known Shatner to be a /tv/ poster for quite some time.
View attachment 1070552
He knows what is going on.

Based Bill (1).jpg


But the sequel designs are straight-up lifted from Ralph McQuarrie's design prototypes
That's the problem. A concept art doesn't always work in a 3D environment (see the planet Lothal from SW Rebels or the Discovery from STD). I also hate that they're using both McQuarrie's concepts and their OCs in this Disney era. The SW Jedi Fallen Order game suffers a lot from that, they didn't embrace the Prequel setting.

Speaking of the prequels, I have a question. Everyone is always saying they would've been much better if someone had had the guts to tell George what he was doing wrong...But, could they?
I used to think like a RLM drone but now after watching Star Wars and Star Trek turn into crap I believe that you should let the creator do whatever he wants. It's the same for the Alien franchise for example, I know a lot of people want to see the IP taken away from Ridley Scott's hands but I don't want that to be given to Blomkamp the one-trick pony or someone else.
 
Last edited:
SJW are both failing and winning. On one hand, the movement towards a more diverse world is coming. Hell, it's already here...

But, most despise the authoritarian and zealotry of them. Plus, beginning to stretch shit to it's limits with sex/gender stuff. That is in conflict with our physical world/science. At the end of the day, reality will always win out. Especially, if you keep on trying to surpress it....

It's not letting things happen organically....

To be honest, with most progressives it's not about progresive ideals. It's about virtue signaling how wonderful they are...
The world became diverse without SJWs help.

What SJWs are doing is undoing all the progress that's been made over the last couple of decades by fueling resentment because they're giant assholes.
 
Star Wars still has an audience and a very strong appeal. However, its not the RIGHT audience that Kathleen Kennedy wants, Bob Iger fucktardedly agreed to replace (and if he wasn't paying attention he's a fucking idiot too). The audience for the sequel trilogy are basically general consumers who aren't particularly loyal to anything and won't stick with the brand.

[...]

Its kind of amazing. For a property that has basically been mishandled for a long time, it still has a very loyal and devoted following to it. Just no one wants to make them anything. Which is weird. But ok.

I mean, we've effectively witnessed a 4 billion dollar property destroy its own audience to get a fake audience and the company try to gaslight its former audience into thinking they had a new one when they didn't, then when that didn't work, they tried crawling back to the former audience ineffectively who now greatly enjoy shitting on something that they formerly loved. What Disney did was patently idiotic.

Star Wars fans have been faithful little paypigs since 1984. For 15 years, they consumed product with no movies or TV. Then there were more movies. They bitched about prequels, but they went to see them, they still bought the toys and the posters and the lightsabers and they still dressed up as clone troopers... as much as they complained, they made the PT a huge box office and monitary success. Even the TFA still grossed a shit ton after they had shat on the EU, so obviously fans weren't dismayed enough to stop forking over cash. Even the trash fire that was TLJ, where the whole film was purposely shitting on Star Wars and existing Star Wars fans, did over a billion GBO.

There was absolutely no reason to think that the core fandom wouldn't continue to be good little consumers, consuming product as Disney tries to replace them with more acceptable fans.

I mean, this possibly the most wretched hive of scum and villainy unwoke, anti-ST corner of the internet, and you still have people willingly forking over cash to see a movie they've been told is bad, that they expect to be bad (and then give autistic trip reports that exactly match the blow-by-blow of the people who watched the korean rip) for...I don't know, some reason, probably related to mental illness.
 
Alright, I'll entertain what RJ do with his own trilogy:

At the very least, one of his half baked ideas...

It's set in a different galaxy.

A utopian society underseige by oppressive/facist invaders. The invaders use the force(called something else)to oppress the beings of this galaxy.

The invaders are warlike, exploitive, and fiercly internally competitive.

The invaded are cooperative, scrupulous, and built on passive inheritance...

Then the invaded start using this magic and start turning into their opressors.

So, after they win, it is banned from the galaxy enforced by reeducation gulags...

Also, the main race are mainky sexless humanoids. The invaders are mostly bearded caucasian males wearing "tap out" t-shirts..
 
Speaking of the prequels, I have a question. Everyone is always saying they would've been much better if someone had had the guts to tell George what he was doing wrong...But, could they?

I mean, Are we sure George wouldn't have just fired anyone that questioned him?

Sure, before Lucas became famous, the OT trilogy cast did tell him his dialogue sucked when they thought the Star Wars would be a forgettable sci-fi movie, and later once they became irreplaceable, and his famous friends like Spielberg also didn't have trouble telling him. They were his equals after all.

But during the prequels, who could've told him? Was he even open to criticism or did he fire anyone that questioned him?

Honest question. I don't know.

The reasons why they Original Trilogy was goo is because he had other people around to tell him some of his ideas were stupid. I guess when your first major series makes over $700 million in 1977 you start to get full of yourself and you let less and less people help you. It's the reason why the first three India Jones movies were so good, he had help. Then the fourth one came out and it was all him. Look how that came out.

Even his old friend Steven Spielberg offered to work on a Star Wars movie but George said no.

Star Wars fans have been faithful little paypigs since 1984. For 15 years, they consumed product with no movies or TV. Then there were more movies. They bitched about prequels, but they went to see them, they still bought the toys and the posters and the lightsabers and they still dressed up as clone troopers... as much as they complained, they made the PT a huge box office and monitary success. Even the TFA still grossed a shit ton after they had shat on the EU, so obviously fans weren't dismayed enough to stop forking over cash. Even the trash fire that was TLJ, where the whole film was purposely shitting on Star Wars and existing Star Wars fans, did over a billion GBO.

There was absolutely no reason to think that the core fandom wouldn't continue to be good little consumers, consuming product as Disney tries to replace them with more acceptable fans.

I mean, this possibly the most wretched hive of scum and villainy unwoke, anti-ST corner of the internet, and you still have people willingly forking over cash to see a movie they've been told is bad, that they expect to be bad (and then give autistic trip reports that exactly match the blow-by-blow of the people who watched the korean rip) for...I don't know, some reason, probably related to mental illness.
They still had toys, books, comics, and video games to consume. Look at the long hiatus He-Man has had. For decades people didn't have anything until the 200X cartoon, and then a decade long wait before comics and classic toys to come out and now a new movie and cartoon series coming out. Fans will wait and consume what they can. Hell, it's why the Bayformers were so popular. It was the only Transformers people had.
 
Last edited:
Should have gone with the sleek look of the PT, or something close to it to show how much things have improved. I always viewed the technological progress and ship designs in Star Wars akin to how cars have changed over the years (not a car person btw).

PT: 50's style cars with beautiful curves, leather seats and wooden dashboards. Driving in style.
OT: 70's style cars with more power and features, boxy and utilitarian, plastic back-lit dashboards. Driving for performance.

The ST should have been a marriage of the two styles.

I always felt that a lot of the way things were in Star Wars could be explained by a different value system of the people. The setting has always had a frontier, individualistic feel to it. This is a society where the welfare state has never really had a foothold and Space is an unforgiving thing liable to kill you over the slightest mistake. So I figure when people buy tech they want one thing above all - robustness. Imagine the iPhone if it had been launched in a world of survivalist explorers. They wouldn't be saying "and we got it down to 5mm thickness", they'd be saying "it can survive an impact force of 420N/cm²". A car that you couldn't swap parts out yourself would never sell. That's why spaceships in Star Wars can collide without instantly crumpling like tinfoil. That's why Luke can fix his X-Wing with an onboard tool kit because the whole ship is filled with redundant systems. The whole technological drive of the galaxy has been top to bottom focused on serving a market filled with people who will literally die if your product fails them. If your communicator fails you on planet Bumfuck's Southern desert you're dead. If your colony's power converter fails and leaves you unable to operate your moisture farm, you're dead. If your hyperdrive cuts out in the vast stellar gulfs between systems, guess what - you're dead! Damn right everything in Star Wars looks like it's built out of giant blocks of indestructible tech. That's what the market wants.

It helps to understand Star Wars to understand that if you, a salesperson, asked your client if they wanted safety rails on something, that client would look you in the eye and say: "You calling me a sped, son?"
 
Star Wars fans have been faithful little paypigs since 1984. For 15 years, they consumed product with no movies or TV. Then there were more movies. They bitched about prequels, but they went to see them, they still bought the toys and the posters and the lightsabers and they still dressed up as clone troopers... as much as they complained, they made the PT a huge box office and monitary success. Even the TFA still grossed a shit ton after they had shat on the EU, so obviously fans weren't dismayed enough to stop forking over cash. Even the trash fire that was TLJ, where the whole film was purposely shitting on Star Wars and existing Star Wars fans, did over a billion GBO.

There was absolutely no reason to think that the core fandom wouldn't continue to be good little consumers, consuming product as Disney tries to replace them with more acceptable fans.

I mean, this possibly the most wretched hive of scum and villainy unwoke, anti-ST corner of the internet, and you still have people willingly forking over cash to see a movie they've been told is bad, that they expect to be bad (and then give autistic trip reports that exactly match the blow-by-blow of the people who watched the korean rip) for...I don't know, some reason, probably related to mental illness.
On one hand I think people who demand boycotts and get assmad when other people still buy merch are autistic on the other hate watchers are idiots.
 
Speaking of the prequels, I have a question. Everyone is always saying they would've been much better if someone had had the guts to tell George what he was doing wrong...But, could they?

I mean, Are we sure George wouldn't have just fired anyone that questioned him?

Sure, before Lucas became famous, the OT trilogy cast did tell him his dialogue sucked when they thought the Star Wars would be a forgettable sci-fi movie, and later once they became irreplaceable, and his famous friends like Spielberg also didn't have trouble telling him. They were his equals after all.

But during the prequels, who could've told him? Was he even open to criticism or did he fire anyone that questioned him?

Honest question. I don't know.
The prequel stuff is complicated. One, George knew his limits. He tried for a while to bring in co-writers, like Kasdan and Darabont. Also, a few others, don't remember who. Not to mention, he approached other directors...

But, he had a really bad relationships with both writers/directors guild. They both blacklisted him for various reasons.

So, unfortunatley, when George was turned down by almost everyone: he just took the whole thing onto himself. He also knew that if he brought others, who jump ship for him, it would ruin their careers...

So, we partly got the prequels out of bad circumstance. Doesn't excuse George because he could have tried to mend those guild relationships, in anticipation(he did later)..

Is what it is...

The big fuck up though, by everyone, was Jar Jar Binks. That was something George was, clearly, taking an unnecessary risk on..

Someone should have pulled him back on that one. It's not like George is some sort of crazy ego maniac that won't listen to reason. That's a bullshit myth. But, nobody said anything about it..
 
They still had toys, books, comics, and video games to consume. Look at the long hiatus He-Man has had. For decades people didn't have anything until the 200X cartoon, and then a decade long wait before comics and classic toys to come out and now a new movie and cartoon series coming out. Fans will wait and consume what they can. Hell, it's why the Bayformers were so popular. It was the only Transformers people had.

(I guess I should update that to since 1987 since there was the Droids and Ewoks cartoons.)

There was the Space He-Man in 1990.

Transformers had Beast Wars & Beast Machines ...only Beast Wars. There was definitely no weird Shinto philosophy follow up. Plus tons of other Japan-only shit.


I left out books/comics/vidya on purpose; those are more things that move because of the Movies/TV. I'll grant you they'll help keep fans on the line. Star Wars' main focus is the movies, even if they made up (until the legends shit) a rather small section of canon. Unlike say, a Marvel or DC property where the origin lies in comics.

or I guess more the point:
No one will question your dedication to the fandom if you've never read the Vader comics or played Masters of Teras Kasi. If you never watched the original trilogy and "Only really are into Heir to the Empire", you might get some looks.
 
The reasons why they Original Trilogy was goo is because he had other people around to tell him some of his ideas were stupid. I guess when your first major series makes over $700 million in 1977 you start to get full of yourself and you let less and less people help you. It's the reason why the first three India Jones movies were so good, he had help. Then the fourth one came out and it was all him. Look how that came out.

Even his old friend Steven Spielberg offered to work on a Star Wars movie but George said no.


They still had toys, books, comics, and video games to consume. Look at the long hiatus He-Man has had. For decades people didn't have anything until the 200X cartoon, and then a decade long wait before comics and classic toys to come out and now a new movie and cartoon series coming out. Fans will wait and consume what they can. Hell, it's why the Bayformers were so popular. It was the only Transformers people had.

A little inaccurate about the Spielberg stuff:

It was more, at different times, George offered it to Steven(he declined) and stonewalled him at others.

Finally, Steven did get to direct Star Wars. He directed the entire fight scene between Obi-wan/Anakin in episode III(probably other parts of it). That was enough for him, I guess...

The guy George, flat out, denied was Ron Howard...

In regard to the Yoda age thing: I think it's about 10:100 ratio. So 900 year old Yoda is a rough equivalent to a man in his 90's...

The child is roughly 3-5 age range.
 
Last edited:
Back