ljmontello: If people aren't vigilant, it's not going to be immediate, but once the cons have hardship, once there's that impetus of, "Well, yeah, it's been a couple years and maybe he's learned his lesson."
Alexis Filth: Now that things have died down.
ljmontello: "He's really struggling, but he still has that ardent fan base."
Renfamous: The backlash needs to, the threat of backlash needs to have an imposing potential financial consequence to the degree that they're not even willing to risk it.
Alexis Filth: Do you hear that TVW dungeoneers? If you hear of any conventions having Vic ménage-ménage-ménage à trois coming to your town, you guys need to get your trans asses off of the couch and call and tell them that you were going to show up until you found out this fucking pervert was coming on.
Renfamous: And the key points to hit are, that the fact that he has a reputation now and there's a documented reputation that he has now. The fact that you can Google his name.
ljmontello: You cannot play dumb anymore. You cannot play dumb anymore 'cause it was playing dumb for a long time, like this whole, "We didn't know," nonsense is bullshit. However, you can't play dumb anymore.
Renfamous: Right, but having these things in the media that are readily accessible is the way that you go to a small local con that has invited Vic Mignogna and you can go to local media and say, look, our local convention has invited controversial, potential child predator, sexual harasser or whatever you want to use because those words have all been used in the media.
Alexis Filth: Mmm, controversy. If it bleeds, it leads.
Renfamous: Look at what our local con has invited upon us and invited upon your children, invited upon our community.
Ian Filth: The children angle's a good one.
Renfamous: It's a big deal for a smaller con or a medium-sized con.
Alexis Filth: Yeah. There is a perverse sense of irony that I have that loves that I would be able to turn around the, "Won't somebody think of the children," on some of these right-wing chuds. Sorry, Kaylyn, what'd you have?
Marzgurl: Oh, well, news articles such, news outlets such as Variety and NPR are no small-time news outlets, you know. I'd say those are pretty big places to point to and be able to say, this is the kind of coverage this person received, not exactly positive, it's not just nerd outlets, where nerd reporters were reporting on a nerd thing that was happening.
Alexis Filth: Yeah, it's not just Anime News Network anymore.
ljmontello: It's in the local paper in Dallas.
Renfamous: Right. If you have a con that's going on in Garland, Texas, and the Garland Times Herald has nothing else to talk about that day you can get front page news that a local Garland con has invited a documented sexual harasser to attend with your children. That's the kind of pressure that they respond to. They don't respond as well to weeb tweets as they do to that kind of pressure.