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Then again, I could honestly see Phil being too lazy to claim bounties, or too anchored to his schedule to risk changing anything to accommodate bounties, since it always sounded like there was minimal time to plan for them/smart streamers would try and work it in when they were at peak viewership to get the most benefits.
This is what gets my vote. If he is in a comfortable spot anything that takes even the most minimal amount of effort to bring in money Phil won't bother. A few hundred dollars wasn't worth doing the basic bitch edited reviews for Kogaming.

Not keeping that channel alive after Dspgaming went down for a few days was such a dumb move. Even if he were to just use it as a mirror channel or uploaded his entire streams as one video anything to breathe some kind of life into the channel. But he would have to click a few more buttons every day, so fuck it.
 
Phil has said before a few times that he's never made $200k/year. If so, his CPMs in the early 10s must have been really awful, as you guys note. Also, if he was only making that then, he wouldn't bother uploading at all now since CPMs have been in the toilet since 2017.
 
This is what gets my vote. If he is in a comfortable spot anything that takes even the most minimal amount of effort to bring in money Phil won't bother. A few hundred dollars wasn't worth doing the basic bitch edited reviews for Kogaming.

Not keeping that channel alive after Dspgaming went down for a few days was such a dumb move. Even if he were to just use it as a mirror channel or uploaded his entire streams as one video anything to breathe some kind of life into the channel. But he would have to click a few more buttons every day, so fuck it.
Phil putting zero effort into something? I can't believe that.

On an unrelated note, Phil's big end of the year countdown will be on Sunday. He said he will maybe work on it some tomorrow (Friday) if he has time.

He's been hyping this up for a while. This will be my longest list of disappointing games ever! Make sure to watch my first ever live best of/worst of games of 2019!

He hasn't even started working on it and it is scheduled to stream in three days.
 
Phil has said before a few times that he's never made $200k/year. If so, his CPMs in the early 10s must have been really awful, as you guys note. Also, if he was only making that then, he wouldn't bother uploading at all now since CPMs have been in the toilet since 2017.

Remember that he had a view-based contract with Machinima for the time he was with them, so he was paid based solely on the viewcount. If he's not lying about the $200k thing ( :optimistic: :optimistic: :optimistic: ), it sounds like his contract was actually pretty favorable to Machinima compared to what he would have made on an ad-based CPM. As for now, it's essentially passive income. It's not like he does any major editing. He just clicks "Start Recording" and "Stop Recording" and uploads it.
 
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Iirc the Machinima deal was in favor of Machinima for most of it, but eventually tilted in favor of Phil when ad revenue went down. That was right before they shitcanned his ass for being an idiot.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Phil got the worse end of that stick (Machinima was known for predatory agreements) while being convinced it was a creators market on youtube.

I don't think Phil has ever sustained himself out of debt for long. I also think based on his low views and generic ads that he isnt getting a very high cpm. I imagine his youtube payment doesn't even cover all the eating out they do.

Of course, he's in a two income household now.... right?
 
from how it was described it sounded like an open system where anyone could claim the bounty. Some bounties would have specific requirements, like X amount of viewers, how long you had to run the bounty for and what you're allowed to say being some examples, but one of the channels I used to watch pretty regularly hosted bounties and he typically didn't get higher than 200ish views. He never said the payout, which I think is part of the program, but he said it was enough to cover his bills. Some bounties are incredibly short too, like watching a trailer or an ad. I'd think if he wasn't banned, he'd be trying to earn some extra bucks using these.
This is all correct, with the addendum that it's not a truly "open" system - streamers are presented with a small selection of all the available bounties (can't remember if it's random or handled by an algorithm), and every x number of days the list is refreshed.
 
I'm glad this was pointed out, it's time to revisit the ProJared situation. It's really telling that once the allegations against Jared turned out to be bullshit, Phil suddenly stopped caring about the drama and wanted to move on. Meanwhile he still cites his "viral" tweet about Jared as proof that the internet finally realized he wasn't a bad guy so his slate was clean, everybody likes him now except for the irreconcilable detractors. The piece of shit can't bring himself to apologize for kicking Jared while he was down (as many others have done), he just wanted the attention (and more importantly, the money) that came from it. I always found it funny that Phil completely misinterpreted what happened. People didn't elevate Phil's status because he suddenly improved or matured or turned his life around, they lowered Jared below Phil. Nobody's opinion of Phil has changed, he is still the butt of jokes, he is still seen as the epitome of greedy scumbags, he is still reviled. Jared calmly defended himself with evidence to back it up, took time away from the internet to sort his life out, admitting the mistakes he made, coming back as a better person and revitalizing his career. Phil could learn from this, but alas he'll just continue being an ignorant, bitter, selfish manbaby on a slow, clear path to oblivion.
 
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I won't deny it is a possibility, but it doesn't seem like something he regularly uses as part of his grift. I'm not a Twitch partner or anything so I might be misunderstanding the system, but from how it was described it sounded like an open system where anyone could claim the bounty. Some bounties would have specific requirements, like X amount of viewers, how long you had to run the bounty for and what you're allowed to say being some examples, but one of the channels I used to watch pretty regularly hosted bounties and he typically didn't get higher than 200ish views. He never said the payout, which I think is part of the program, but he said it was enough to cover his bills. Some bounties are incredibly short too, like watching a trailer or an ad. I'd think if he wasn't banned, he'd be trying to earn some extra bucks using these.

Then again, I could honestly see Phil being too lazy to claim bounties, or too anchored to his schedule to risk changing anything to accommodate bounties, since it always sounded like there was minimal time to plan for them/smart streamers would try and work it in when they were at peak viewership to get the most benefits. Based on some of those quotes, it also sounds like Phil was too lazy to look into the system and only considered sponsored stuff that was directly offered to him, which I believe is slightly different from the bounty system. It certainly wouldn't be the first time Phil turned down an easy opportunity to make money simply because it involved the slightest bit of effort on his part.

In any event, the point was Phil doesn't appear to be some Twitch employee's pet because he isn't getting the same offers for sponsored/event stuff like other people are, including smaller streamers who are likely getting those offers because they're actually someone's pet. The best case scenario for Phil is he maybe has someone on staff who genuinely likes him, but is savvy enough to recognize Phil is too toxic to try and promote. And if that's the case, I doubt they'd be willing to put their neck on the line for Phil in general.

Basically, it isn't a case of Phil getting special treatment so much as it is Twitch just being incredibly lax/nonexistent with rules enforcement, especially for smaller channels, and Phil just happens to benefit from that.
Yeah, I don't think he's someone's pet, or that he's got someone that likes him and is protecting him. I think Phil is maybe one of the unique cases on the platform where so many reports are generated about him that instead of going through routine enforcement channels, all his reports get directed to his Partner Manager who basically just discards them for the most part. Or something like that.

I also don't think he's actually blacklisted from the bounty board. Phil said he thinks he is, but that's based on him not seeing any, not from actually being locked-out of the board. In a clip I posted earlier he's talking about a conversation with his "Twitch Contact" who tells Phil 'No, you're not blacklisted. It's just random, and you keep complaining about it and that's not going to do anything.'
 
Makes me think of this tweet. This held up well.
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He's been hyping this up for a while. This will be my longest list of disappointing games ever! Make sure to watch my first ever live best of/worst of games of 2019!

He hasn't even started working on it and it is scheduled to stream in three days.

Did he really say first ever? Because he did it live last year too.

In fact, "doing it live" is just an excuse to be even lazier than he was before because he doesn't have to edit anything.

Go back and read what a trainwreck last year's stream was. First, it was delayed like an hour, during which DSP accidentally admitted that he hasn't updated any of his OBS software in years. Then, when he was talking about each game, he literally just picked a random video from each game play because editing takes effort, so each video "highlight" was literally just DSP slowly walking around.

Not to mention that DBZ Fighters was #6 best of last year, a game he ragequit twice and vowed never to play again.

Edit: Oh my goodness, I forgot about DSP's complete lack of understanding of how webcam resolution works.

 
I'm glad this was pointed out, it's time to revisit the ProJared situation. It's really telling that once the allegations against Jared turned out to be bullshit, Phil suddenly stopped caring about the drama and wanted to move on. Meanwhile he still cites his "viral" tweet about Jared as proof that the internet finally realized he wasn't a bad guy so his slate was clean, everybody likes him now except for the irreconcilable detractors. The piece of shit can't bring himself to apologize for kicking Jared while he was down (as many others have done), he just wanted the attention (and more importantly, the money) that came from it. I always found it funny that Phil completely misinterpreted what happened. People didn't elevate Phil's status because he suddenly improved or matured or turned his life around, they lowered Jared below Phil. Nobody's opinion of Phil has changed, he is still the butt of jokes, he is still seen as the epitome of greedy scumbags, he is still reviled. Jared calmly defended himself with evidence to back it up, took time away from the internet to sort his life out, admitting the mistakes he made, coming back as a better person and revitalizing his career. Phil could learn from this, but alas he'll just continue being an ignorant, bitter, selfish manbaby on a slow, clear path to oblivion.
Let's not forget how he hopped in on Etika's death and tried to take full advantage of some other Youtubers situation to spin it around to make it all about himself.

It was so easy to see his intentions because he was so giddy to go right ahead and make a debunked stream to show all that list of things weren't true(they mostly were)to what he thought, was new traffic. Just like he was ready to start making clickbait titles involving Etika's death when he had no fuckin clue who the dude was, as he did with not knowing of Jared's tweet jabbing at him in a non-hostile way from three years ago.

I don't really watch Projared or like him much, but I give him much more respect than Phil just based off his "debunked" video, because it pretty much one-upped Phil's pitiful bunk stream, and he continued to do so(probably not intentionally)by streaming the same game as Phil and getting more than twice his viewers.
 
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Iirc the Machinima deal was in favor of Machinima for most of it, but...

I don't think Phil has ever sustained himself out of debt for long. I also think based on his low views and generic ads that he isnt getting a very high cpm. I imagine his youtube payment doesn't even cover all the eating out they do.

Of course, he's in a two income household now.... right?

Second year of married tax benefit filling too. When Phil says 2019 was better for him and he has to continue on doing what he did last year for a while to make sure that continues despite the foreclosure proceeding apace, that's part of the math equation, his tax benefits for being married to his wife on the tax forms helping to counteract that on some level of leverage. I wouldn't be surprised he went from yearly debt load increases to finally reducing that debt load under the double income no kids life play through mechanics for last year and going forward he expects.

I'm glad this was pointed out, it's time to revisit the ProJared situation. It's really telling that...can't bring himself to apologize for kicking Jared while he was down (as many others have done),...Jared calmly defended himself with evidence to back it up, took time away from the internet to sort his life out, admitting the mistakes he made, coming back as a better person and revitalizing his career. Phil could learn from this, but alas...

Did Jared apologize to DSP for kicking at Phil first, pre-divorce? Or had Phil preceded that saga opening with his own animosity toward Jared or his ex (or extended list of sexting buddies)? If Phil really wanted to take a shot he would have made a Sailor Moon reference disguised in a debunking anyway, wouldn't he? They're both lolcows.
 
If Phil really wanted to take a shot he would have made a Sailor Moon reference disguised in a debunking anyway, wouldn't he? They're both lolcows.
That implies DSP even looked that deep in to the Jared situation and didn't just look at his twitter feed's trending for 5 seconds before deciding it was a gravy train and that he was hungry.

Also "Kicking at Phil" is a bit strong. He said he "went down the rabbit hole of DSP videos" on twitter once. Still I bet to old salty Phil it was a massive shot and he never forgot it.
 
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That implies DSP even looked that deep in to the Jared situation and didn't just look at his twitter feed's trending for 5 seconds before deciding it was a gravy train and that he was hungry.
This. Phil only gave a shit when he could dunk on Jared for a month and he tried everything he could to profit from the """viral""" tweet. As always, Phil is just a narcissistic selfish scum.
 
I won't deny it is a possibility, but it doesn't seem like something he regularly uses as part of his grift. I'm not a Twitch partner or anything so I might be misunderstanding the system, but from how it was described it sounded like an open system where anyone could claim the bounty. Some bounties would have specific requirements, like X amount of viewers, how long you had to run the bounty for and what you're allowed to say being some examples, but one of the channels I used to watch pretty regularly hosted bounties and he typically didn't get higher than 200ish views. He never said the payout, which I think is part of the program, but he said it was enough to cover his bills. Some bounties are incredibly short too, like watching a trailer or an ad. I'd think if he wasn't banned, he'd be trying to earn some extra bucks using these.
The way the payout works is that they base it off your average x over a period of y, I guess 30 days? EDIT: (actually I think it's span far more than 30 days)
So you will get the average viewers you have to hit from a minimum to maximum, eg; 235-307 viewers will net you 125-231$ depending on your average viewer during the bounty period, if you hit below that you don't get anything.

The thing that make pig hesitate is probably these two factors.
1. You get paid on the 15th like with subs and cheers, and he really needs that money now so please tip.
2. There are people who can and will review the footage + chat interaction and can decide you aint get shit. So if Phillbur is just idling in a game for an hour and chat cheers him on that he is getting easy money from Schlomo then they can just deny him any money.

This isn't add money being thrown into a dark hole ala youtube adds. There are both twitch and pubs deciding who gets in on the bounties. (Side note - I think their is a survey to better suit bounties to the streamer and their viewers)
Amazon does give out bounties to everyone who is on the bounty program to shill for their prime video shows; watch a trailer, talk about it for 5 min. get 50 bucks.
 
I'm glad this was pointed out, it's time to revisit the ProJared situation. It's really telling that once the allegations against Jared turned out to be bullshit, Phil suddenly stopped caring about the drama and wanted to move on. Meanwhile he still cites his "viral" tweet about Jared as proof that the internet finally realized he wasn't a bad guy so his slate was clean, everybody likes him now except for the irreconcilable detractors. The piece of shit can't bring himself to apologize for kicking Jared while he was down (as many others have done), he just wanted the attention (and more importantly, the money) that came from it. I always found it funny that Phil completely misinterpreted what happened. People didn't elevate Phil's status because he suddenly improved or matured or turned his life around, they lowered Jared below Phil. Nobody's opinion of Phil has changed, he is still the butt of jokes, he is still seen as the epitome of greedy scumbags, he is still reviled. Jared calmly defended himself with evidence to back it up, took time away from the internet to sort his life out, admitting the mistakes he made, coming back as a better person and revitalizing his career. Phil could learn from this, but alas he'll just continue being an ignorant, bitter, selfish manbaby on a slow, clear path to oblivion.
Real tawlk? Alright, real tawlk.

Jared's response to his set of accusations was probably the best way of handling the situation for him. Rather than immediately lashing out at his new set of detractors, badmouthers, trolls, and people like Phil who just gawk at him cause he hurt your feelings three years ago, Jared waited out the hate while everyone screamed that his career was over. He gathered his evidence and debunked the claims calmly and with no hate or vitriol in his voice to detractors or trolls on the internet.

Meanwhile, Phil's "debunking stream" against all the "Slander" made about him just shows how much he dickrided the topic in hopes that "people would see him in a positive light". And what did we get from this stream where he debunked seven years of facts? He never talked to his first girlfriend before she was 18 (never showed proof other than we know when her birthday is????), he never "stole" money (no trailer or P7 reboot), his friends only wanted exposure, they never wanted money(he literally says they wanted money months later while also calling his once best friends cowards), and he never told people to give his gf a pill and leave her there(yeah, we already know about that one, don't we?)

Believe me, I never really liked Jared too much. His content was a bit too childish for me to enjoy but I knew for a fucking fact he was too smart to show his audience of kids his penis unless it was some weird 18+ shit like his tumblr account, so I assumed right away that that stuff was garbage cause it just happened to come out the day of this "scandal" breaking out.

Take some advice from Jared, Phil. Except don't. It's way funnier when your stream becomes a boomer rant about people you "don't wanna give attention", like Tevin, the guy you talk about every chance you get.
 
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