War Iran-United States Military Crisis of 2020 - US Baghdad embassy under siege, rocket fire in US Baghdad green zone, Ukrainian Airlines flight 752 crash, and more!

January 10th:
Exclusive: Informants in Iraq, Syria helped U.S. kill Iran's Soleimani - sources (archive)(post)
Iraqi Shia cleric whose militia killed American troops says crisis is over following Iran strike and Trump speech (archive)(post)
Iraqi PM tells US to decide mechanism for troop withdrawal (archive)(post)
Mike Pence says Congress might 'compromise sources and methods' if fully briefed on the Soleimani strike (archive)(post)
Unidentified planes hit Iraqi militiamen in Syria, killing 8 (archive)(post)
Iraq: The Master Of Mayhem Meets A Missile (archive)(post)
Eliminating Qasem Soleimani was Donald Trump’s Middle East farewell letter (archive)(post)
Iran uses BULLDOZERS to clear debris from plane crash site while accusing US of ‘big lie’ that they shot it down (archive)(post)
Swiss Back Channel Helped Defuse U.S.-Iran Crisis (post)

January 11th:
UKRAINIAN AIRCRAFT WAS BROUGHT DOWN IN IRAN DUE TO 'HUMAN ERROR' (archive)(post)
Iran minister says 'human error' caused by 'US adventurism' led to deadly crash of Ukrainian jetliner (archive)(post)
Ukrainian aircraft was brought down in Iran due to 'human error' (archive)(post)
Trump, at Ohio rally, says Democrats would have leaked Soleimani attack plans (archive)(post)
The Atlantic's David Frum blames Trump for downing of plane in Iran, deaths of 176 (archive)(post)
Associated Press changes ‘shockingly bad’ headline about Soleimani, Ukrainian plane crash after backlash (archive)(post)
GOP Rep. Doug Collins apologizes for saying Democrats are 'in love with terrorists' (archive)(post)
Iran demands West 'show findings' as new video reveals aircraft was struck before fiery crash (archive)(post)
Warren town hall interrupted by angry protester accusing her of ‘siding with terrorists’ (archive)(post)
Trump administration announces new sanctions on Iran (archive)(post)
Prepare For the Worst From Iran Cyber Attacks, As DHS Issues Warning: Experts (archive)(post)
Trump tells Fox News' Laura Ingraham 'four embassies' were targeted in imminent threat from Iran (archive)(post)
Trump tweets support for Iranian protesters as they demand Khamenei quit (archive)(post)
Trump warns Iran against ‘another massacre’ as protests flare over downed jet (archive)(post)

January 12th:
Trump tweet in Farsi 'the most liked Persian tweet' in history of Twitter (archive)(post)
Iraq warned to keep US troops or risk financial blow-WSJ (archive)(post)
Iran arrests UK ambassador in what Britain calls ‘flagrant violation of international law’ (archive)(post)

January 13th:
Trump authorized Soleimani's killing 7 months ago, with conditions (archive)(post)

edit: This is a WIP. All links are posted in the order they appear in the thread, not in chronological order of their publication.


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Iraqi supporters of Iran-backed militia attack US Embassy
https://apnews.com/75228a8a607a44863b57021ac33264dc (http://archive.vn/ljm9Y)

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA12 minutes ago

BAGHDAD (AP) — Dozens of angry Iraqi Shiite militia supporters broke into the U.S. Embassy compound in Baghdad on Tuesday after smashing a main door and setting fire to a reception area, prompting tear gas and sounds of gunfire.

An Associated Press reporter at the scene saw flames rising from inside the compound and at least three U.S. soldiers on the roof of the main building inside embassy. It was not clear what caused the fire at the reception area near the parking lot of the compound. A man on a loudspeaker urged the mob not to enter the compound, saying: “The message was delivered.”

The embassy attack followed deadly U.S. airstrikes on Sunday that killed 25 fighters of the Iran-backed militia in Iraq, the Kataeb Hezbollah. The U.S. military said it was in retaliation for last week’s killing of an American contractor in a rocket attack on an Iraqi military base that it had blamed on the militia.

Dozens of protesters marched inside the compound after smashing the gate used by cars to enter the embassy. The protesters, many in militia uniform, stopped in a corridor after about 5 meters (16 feet), and were only about 200 meters away from the main building. Half a dozen U.S. soldiers were seen on the roof of the main building, their guns were pointed at the protesters.

Smoke from the tear gas rose in the area, and at least three of the protesters appeared to have difficulties breathing. It wasn’t immediately known whether the embassy staff had remained inside the main building.

The protesters hanged a poster on the wall: “America is an aggressor.”

Shouting “Down, Down USA,” the crowd tried to push inside the embassy grounds, hurling water and stones over its walls. They raised yellow militia flags and taunted the embassy’s security staff who remained behind the glass windows in the gates’ reception area. They sprayed graffiti on the wall and windows in red in support of the Kataeb Hezbollah militia: “Closed in the name of the resistance.”

Hundreds of angry protesters, some in militia uniforms, set up tents outside the embassy. As tempers rose, the mob set fire to three trailers used by security guards along the embassy wall.

No one was immediately reported hurt in the rampage and security staff had withdrawn to inside the embassy earlier, soon after protesters gathered outside.

The U.S. attack — the largest targeting an Iraqi state-sanctioned militia in recent years — and the subsequent calls by the militia for retaliation, represent a new escalation in the proxy war between the U.S. and Iran playing out in the Middle East.

Tuesday’s attempted embassy storming took place after mourners and supporters held funerals for the militia fighters killed in a Baghdad neighborhood, after which they marched on to the heavily fortified Green Zone and kept walking till they reached the sprawling U.S. Embassy there.

AP journalists then saw the crowd as they tried to scale the walls of the embassy, in what appeared to be an attempt to storm it, shouting “Down, down USA!” and “Death to America” and “Death to Israel.”

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday’s strikes send the message that the U.S. will not tolerate actions by Iran that jeopardize American lives.

The Iranian-backed Iraqi militia had vowed Monday to retaliate for the U.S. military strikes. The attack and vows for revenge raised concerns of new attacks that could threaten American interests in the region.

The U.S. attack also outraged both the militias and the Iraqi government, which said it will reconsider its relationship with the U.S.-led coalition — the first time it has said it will do so since an agreement was struck to keep some U.S. troops in the country. It called the attack a “flagrant violation” of its sovereignty.

In a partly televised meeting Monday, Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi told Cabinet members that he had tried to stop the U.S. operation “but there was insistence” from American officials.

The U.S. military said “precision defensive strikes” were conducted against five sites of Kataeb Hezbollah, or Hezbollah Brigades in Iraq and Syria. The group, which is a separate force from the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, operates under the umbrella of the state-sanctioned militias known collectively as the Popular Mobilization Forces. Many of them are supported by Iran.









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Sort of off-topic but why do people point at the 1953 Iran Coup as an example of current-day Iran being a fault of the US, but ignore the 1979 Iranian Revolution which overthrew that regime?

I know that the US/CIA's foreign policy has been... complicated, let's say, but not every injustice in the world is because of America. I'd say as a Superpower we're better than the alternatives and the empires of old.
 
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IN THE FOUR DECADES since the 1979 Iranian Revolution, few Iranian leaders have achieved the global profile attained by Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, the military commander killed in an American airstrike on Thursday. After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Suleimani emerged as the United States’s most capable adversary in that country. His American counterpart at a key point during the occupation, Gen. David Petraeus, described Suleimani as “a truly evil figure” in a letter to Robert Gates, then the U.S. defense secretary. Over the years, Suleimani gained a reputation as a fearsome military leader who controlled a network of ideologically driven militia proxies across the Middle East.

A more nuanced portrait of Suleimani emerges from a leaked archive of secret Iranian spy cables obtained by The Intercept. The documents were generated by officers from the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security, or MOIS, stationed in Iraq between 2013 and 2015, when the Iranian war against the Islamic State was at its height, and Suleimani was running the show.

The reports reveal how Suleimani was perceived in some corners of the Iranian intelligence establishment, and the picture that emerges does not always align with the carefully crafted public image of the general as an indomitable strategist. While the Iranian-led war against ISIS was raging, Iranian spies privately expressed concern that the brutal tactics favored by Suleimani and his Iraqi proxies were laying the groundwork for major blowback against the Iranian presence in Iraq. Suleimani was also criticized for his own alleged self-promotion amid the fighting. Photos of the Iranian commander on battlefields across Iraq had helped build his image as an iconic military leader. But that outsized image was also turning him into a figure of terror for many ordinary Iraqis.

Some of the cables chronicle Suleimani’s battlefield appearances and meetings with senior Iraqi officials, while others describe the activities of his militia proxies in Iraq. As commander of the elite Quds Force, the external operations arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Suleimani belonged to a more powerful institutional rival of Iran’s intelligence ministry. In some documents, intelligence officers criticize Suleimani for alienating Sunni Arab communities and helping to create the circumstances that justified a renewed American military presence in Iraq.

A 2014 MOIS document lamented that, partly because Suleimani broadcasted his role as commander of many of the Iraqi Shia militias fighting ISIS, Iraqi Sunnis blamed the Iranian government for the persecution that many were suffering at the hands of these same forces. The document discussed a recent assault by Iran-backed forces against ISIS fighters in the Sunni farming community of Jurf al-Sakhar. The attack had included a number of Shia militia groups, including a notorious outfit known as Asaib ahl al-Haq. The militias succeeded in routing the Islamic State, but their victory soon gave way to a generalized slaughter of locals, transforming the sweetness of Iran’s triumph into “bitterness,” in the words of one case officer.

“It is mandatory and necessary to put some limits and borders on the violence being inflicted against innocent Sunni people in Iraq and the things that Mr. Suleimani is doing. Otherwise, the violence between Shia and Sunni will continue,” the MOIS report continued. “At the moment, whatever happens to Sunnis, directly or indirectly, is seen as having been done by Iran even when Iran has nothing to do with it.”

That same document speculated that Suleimani’s public promotion of his role in the war was geared toward building political capital in Iran, possibly for a future presidential bid. But it also contained subtler insights into the Quds Force commander’s character and how he saw himself. The document noted Suleimani’s affection for former Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, once a close ally of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. For a time, Davutoglu was considered the intellectual force behind Turkey’s foreign policy.

“Mr. Suleimani has an old relationship with Ahmet Davutoglu and always compares his role in Iranian foreign policy to that of someone like Davutoglu in Turkish politics,” the secret report said. However, Suleimani’s self-perception had evolved over time, according to the report, and by 2014, with the Iranian proxy war against ISIS in full swing, he had begun to see himself less as a political ideologue and more as a military and intelligence chief comparable to Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey’s powerful intelligence apparatus.

The intelligence ministry report does not contain further details about Suleimani’s relationships with senior Turkish officials. But the apparent shift in his self-perception tracks with developments in the region. Just as Fidan was helping direct a Turkish proxy war in Syria, Iran was ramping up a similar effort in Iraq.

In late 2014, according to the leaked documents, an expansive program was already underway to send Iraqi Shia militia fighters to Iran for training, equipment, and ideological preparation. It was a program in which the Revolutionary Guards played a critical role. These Shia militia fighters went on to fight the Islamic State, but also stood accused at times of waging an indiscriminate sectarian war inside Iraq and undermining the country’s elected government.

Iran’s secret intelligence documents contain insights into how this training campaign was organized, while also shedding light on the idiosyncratic reasons that some Iraqis sought the support of Suleimani and the Revolutionary Guards.

In a September 2014 meeting at the Iranian consulate in Basra, an Iraqi militia commander told an Iranian spy that he wanted his fighters to operate under Iranian control, rather than being directed by the Iraqi army or the Popular Mobilization Units, or PMUs, formed to fight ISIS. His concerns seemed primarily ideological. The commander told his Iranian interlocutor that he already had 600 well-trained fighters and planned to grow his militia in the near future. He was anxious, however, that his troops might lose their ideological discipline without Iranian guidance.

Many volunteers in the PMUs “might not even pray,” he said, and “some commanders and even soldiers” in the Iraqi security forces were said to drink alcohol. The commander asked the Iranian spy to “coordinate for these soldiers to come under the command of Iran,” worrying that his fighters’ morale and discipline would be harmed otherwise. According to the report, the request was enthusiastically granted.

But some Iraqis appear to have romanticized the Revolutionary Guards, and some militia fighters sent to Iran for training found the experience did not meet their lofty expectations. “Unfortunately, those who we send to Iran to receive training are not happy with the cultural situation in Iran,” another commander whose troops had already undergone training in Iran told an intelligence ministry spy, according to a different report from the same month. This commander complained that “brothers in [the Revolutionary Guards] only pray the usual five times a day,” and that the Iranian fighters were not as zealous in their religious practices as the Iraqi trainees had expected.

These Iraqi militias wound up playing a significant, if controversial, role in the war against ISIS. Following Suleimani’s death, some of them are now finding themselves in the U.S. military’s crosshairs. Within 24 hours of the strike that killed the Quds Force leader, another strike took place north of Baghdad, reportedly killing and wounding several members of an Iran-backed militia. There are strong signs that this campaign is just beginning. Late Friday, the State Department announced that it was designating Asaib ahl al-Haq, which had taken part in the 2014 massacre in Jurf al-Sakhar, as a foreign terrorist organization and sanctioning several of its leaders.

In the short term, it is almost certain that violence will escalate in the Middle East. Late Saturday, U.S. President Donald Trump made a provocative threat to bomb 52 selected targets inside Iran if it retaliates for the killing of Suleimani, including Iranian cultural sites. But Iran may not even need to respond with violence to impose a price for the death of the Quds Force commander. In response to widespread outrage over the strike that killed Suleimani, Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi, who is described in the MOIS documents as having a “special relationship” with Iran — and who enjoyed Suleimani’s personal backing when protests demanded his ouster this past fall — pledged on Friday to convene parliament to review the status of American troops in Iraq. By Sunday, the parliament had voted to expel the U.S. military from the country.

If the Iraqi government does make U.S. troops leave in response to Suleimani’s killing, it will be another chapter in what is by now a familiar story: Like the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, this latest act of aggression may be a tactical success for the United States that winds up delivering a strategic victory to Iran.

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Iranian officials were even shit-talking about the guy.

By the way if you want a peak into some of the Iranian operations in the region this has a good starter package.
 
A lot of Trump supporters on here would say its Trump out-manuvering his opposition, but to be honest he is just impulsively doing things then getting bored of those plans a few weeks later. An example of this can be seen when he supported a coup in Venezula then got bored after a few weeks when nothing happened; A more recent one was when he said fuck it and told the Turks they could push into the Kurds.

The result is the national security aparatus watching in horror as Trump ends up ordering actions that they don't know about until the damage is done then trying (and failing) to damage control it.

This is honestly a good summation of my issues with Trump. I think he's the kind of man that America urgently needed in a lot of ways, but I also agree that he is impulsive and easily distracted. His main advantage is that he isn't under the thrall of the vast political dynasties that have controlled politics in so many Western countries for many years. He can do what he likes, when he likes, and actually exercise the full power of the American presidency on an individual level. Meanwhile, everyone else is still playing by an entirely different rule-book, and they have no idea how to react to the equivalent of a third-world dictator (in terms of individual drive, initiative and lack of accountability) taking the reigns of the most influential nation on earth.

But it's also a pretty dangerous game to play. He can smash up a lot of glass houses, but in doing so he's essentially tempting the political version of MAD. As I mentioned in my last big post here, international diplomacy is based primarily on informal agreements and mutual understandings. These can very quickly become toxic and infuriating for the layman to even comprehend, but I do understand that they provide an inherent level of stability between powerful countries that would otherwise be at each-other's throats because of some treaty signed back when Germany wasn't even a confederacy.

Trump treats everything like a business deal. Get what you can for the lowest cost. It's not so much what he does now that I have issue with, but the precedent he sets for the future. One Trump is good for America. A Trump getting elected in multiple powerful countries across the globe? Great way to spark some serious problems down the line.

But still, that's all theory and assumption. I won't claim this is anything but speculation and opinion. It's certainly no reason to condemn him for actually protecting the people he was elected to protect.
 
In all likelihood, the period of time starting in 2001 (maybe even 1979) and carrying through the "war on terror" including all of the shadow wars and proxy wars will probably be referred to as WW3 by historians in the future.

Doubtful, it'll be like the War of the Roses, where it's bundled away into a neat category but its wikipedia article opens with "a series of wars over x years."

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While the UK has called on restraint, BoJo's response now he's back off of his well earned holiday is the UK isn't going to lament his death.
 
Hey you should write my autobiography. I like how you can read my mind from over 10,000 miles away.



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China has more left behind women than single males. Any girl over 30 not yet married or divorced can never be married to a Chinese man, even if he is ugly and 50 and she is a 10/10 31 year old. Her fate is to suck his cock once or twice a week. Prostitution reaches 35% of the population which exceeds the single male demographic. Incels aren't a thing, Chinese are driven by pragmatism and logic. In Confucian society marriage is a business contract. So is sex. If cock needs sucking it gonna get sucked. If cock need pussy it gonna get pussed. It's a purely western phenomenon, due to the matriachal school system that has turned men into bitches. Stop projecting, incel.
Utterly defeated, the asset is reduced to using I'm not mad emojis as he tries and fails to explain to his boss why he totally deserves the pay that I could get by working at a Denny's for a day as a waiter.

Because China's a joke; you die there just breathing air. China's such a joke country that they once killed all their sparrows and wondered why bugs ate all their crops. China's so shit that it builds mega malls, cities, and everything and no one shows and they sit there and rot, because it's just to keep their ailing construction firms in business and not to help their people. They're so shit that they were terrified that a cult like the Falun Gong are more popular than they are. China still thinks ghosts are real for fucks sake.

China is so shit, they resort to bribing and kidnapping North Korean women because they're terrified that incels will rise up, since they have 50+ million men who will die alone and a virgin due to their own retarded policy of killing girls to get that boy.
In the same breath you allude to the trump muh russiah doomsayers then bring up your own muh chynah boogeyman. Jewlarious. Ya'll being manipulated.
Said the foreign asset, who is not happy that this site is just mocking him for trying to earn fiddy cents a post and that his masters marching orders to sow more gay collusion bullshit failed.
I liked trump from the get-go because he seemed to be an isolationist, and thus far everything he has done has reduced Us influence abroad and isolated it from former allies. However instigating a major war just to win 2020 was unecessary, the demonrats have no viable candidate. So this bush-esque neocon back to the future shtick is too jewish even for my forgiving taste. I actually do care about human lives. Yet another million hapless peasants dead is not kosher. Trump has been hijacked and is being piloted by sand niggers. It feels too familiar. Maybe he manages to take back control and crashes in a field somewhere, away from habitation. But the nose knows. Once it has you, you done.
The asset has been reduced to using playbooks 20 years out of date and "how you do fellow long noses" slang to desperately shore credibility that he is in fact a le edgy troll and not a NEET who makes fiddy cents per post.

He will be spirited away and harvested for organs soon, as his value drops exponentially to his masters for his inability to quench the running dogs.

Masters need not asset, but do need his lungs and heart.
 
This is honestly a good summation of my issues with Trump. I think he's the kind of man that America urgently needed in a lot of ways, but I also agree that he is impulsive and easily distracted. His main advantage is that he isn't under the thrall of the vast political dynasties that have controlled politics in so many Western countries for many years. He can do what he likes, when he likes, and actually exercise the full power of the American presidency on an individual level. Meanwhile, everyone else is still playing by an entirely different rule-book, and they have no idea how to react to the equivalent of a third-world dictator (in terms of individual drive, initiative and lack of accountability) taking the reigns of the most influential nation on earth.

But it's also a pretty dangerous game to play. He can smash up a lot of glass houses, but in doing so he's essentially tempting the political version of MAD. As I mentioned in my last big post here, international diplomacy is based primarily on informal agreements and mutual understandings. These can very quickly become toxic and infuriating for the layman to even comprehend, but I do understand that they provide an inherent level of stability between powerful countries that would otherwise be at each-other's throats because of some treaty signed back when Germany wasn't even a confederacy.

Trump treats everything like a business deal. Get what you can for the lowest cost. It's not so much what he does now that I have issue with, but the precedent he sets for the future. One Trump is good for America. A Trump getting elected in multiple powerful countries across the globe? Great way to spark some serious problems down the line.

But still, that's all theory and assumption. I won't claim this is anything but speculation and opinion. It's certainly no reason to condemn him for actually protecting the people he was elected to protect.
You can say impulsive. I say beautifully decisive.
 
Simple, the rules of military use on domestic soil are vastly different than on foreign. Missile strikes aside. If we were allowed to field Reapers with standard optics, enhanced IFF packages, the current machine learning algorithms, and just used ground troops to monitor and pick up, border security wouldn't be a topic of conversation today.
Repeal posse comitatus is what needs to be done.
 
Repeal posse comitatus is what needs to be done.
So, I'm not really one to argue for that, but, if you indulge this Orwell/Tom Clancy fever dream for a moment. It would be a significantly more efficient society (Or devolve into a country wide version of PUBG) if the federal government funded state militias (training programs and hardware) in a manner similar to state police departments under Obama and Bush. Think of it as the unholy bastard child of the French Foreign Legion and National Guard, made large and about 180% Texas.
 

House will do some War Powers resolution vote.

"Oh, so now we care about War Powers laws?"-Muammar Gaddafi
Looks like the constitutionality of the war powers act is going to hit SCOTUS...
 
I would say Germany would have destroyed France without Britain backing them given how their soldiers mutinied in the middle of the war and they wore blue uniforms in a era of machine guns and modern firearms. USA was entering that war was the equivalent of the Undertaker joining the end of a WWE match where Kane and Daniel Bryan were ganging up on Brock Lesnar and decided to tombstone Brock at the end when he was done and dusted.
The Us saved the Terror supporter in ww1. Germany was a couple of days away from winning, but the US came to Italys rescue.
 
Simple, the rules of military use on domestic soil are vastly different than on foreign. Missile strikes aside. If we were allowed to field Reapers with standard optics, enhanced IFF packages, the current machine learning algorithms, and just used ground troops to monitor and pick up, border security wouldn't be a topic of conversation today.

Yeah, when we went in to Iraq and Afghan it was very, very simple keeping the Iranian borders overtly impassable thanks to Apaches, Cobras and Striker brigades. Ain't no wall like a wall of lead
 

House will do some War Powers resolution vote.

"Oh, so now we care about War Powers laws?"-Muammar Gaddafi
Why do they suddenly care about the President's excessive war powers now? Is it because "REEEEEE US-IRAN WORLD WAR III", or is it something deeper, like their funny business in Ukraine?

Maybe this is all some 5D chess maneuvering by Trump to limit the war powers of future presidents.
 
Why do they suddenly care about the President's excessive war powers now? Is it because "REEEEEE US-IRAN WORLD WAR III", or is it something deeper, like their funny business in Ukraine?

Maybe this is all some 5D chess maneuvering by Trump to limit the war powers of future presidents.
Despite (reluctantly) liking Trump, I kinda hope they win this case. The various war powers acts need a good trimming with a chainsaw.
 
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"People shared this Babylon Bee story just as often as they shared CNN or NYT stories, so they must believe it's true! There's no way that many people are making fun of us!" That or people just like making fun of your fat ass, Don. The Babylon Bee is an overt and well-known parody site, people don't think the articles they write are real and that article in question is clearly satire.

If I were you I'd spend more time trying to find the man who stole your ears and the man who thought it was a good idea to put Greasy Otis in front of a camera.
 
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