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Trig.Point · Jan 8, 2020

NotSendingTheirBest said:
Apparently, many of self-professed Muslims have this folklore loophole, that lets them drink and eat as swine, as long as they are inside and it's night time.

I haven't been friends with an actual Muslim myself but many people have reiterated that, so there must be at least a kernel of truth.

Shia's have all sorts of little rules like that, such as one on temporary marriages (ie 15mins) to allow for prostitution.

Vince McMahon · Jan 8, 2020

Trig.Point said:
Shia's have all sorts of little rules like that, such as one on temporary marriages (ie 15mins) to allow for prostitution.

shame I can't put both "thunk" and "informative".

Freddy Freaker · Jan 8, 2020

WutangLee said:
They stacked quite a few Canadians in this one. Allegedly. I wonder how laughable the Canadian response is going to be.

Well, If killing terrorists means they win then I can only assume that this was a resounding victory for the Bagged Milk Empire.

Sanshain · Jan 8, 2020

Null said:
Yes I know an Embassy is not a military base, but I did not say embassies for a reason.

Ron Paul not winning the election in 2008 destroyed the entire country. The United States will only continue to wane. It cannot be stopped anymore.

Speaking from a historical perspective, the overwhelming majority of great empires throughout history have disintegrated shortly after they switched from a proactive defensive stance to a passive defensive stance.

The perfect example would be the Roman Empire. Huge, powerful, awesomely wealthy. But you can track the end of its golden age almost to the day that the emperors decided to stop campaigning against the border tribes. Their logic was simple; it costs a whole lot of money to keep sending expeditions into barbarian lands to knock over their military buildups, so why not just build up our defenses and sit around waiting for the barbarians to come fight us on our own terms?

This was a really, really bad idea. All that happened was that the troops got fat, lazy and useless. They rebelled constantly and destroyed the imperial system by selling the throne to the highest bidder. Meanwhile, the frontier tribes experienced their own golden ages and became powerful, sophisticated and militarily advanced. They were also careful. They never made themselves too much of a bother: a caravan here, an insignificant border settlement there, etc. By the time they became a big enough threat that Rome couldn't ignore them any longer, it was far too late. Vast waves of barbarian migrants poured over the borders, utterly swamping the Western empire and rapidly degrading the Roman cultural identity. Every army that the Romans defeated in their home territories was replaced almost immediately. Goths, Vandals, Alamani, Huns, Celts... they'd all had that crucial chance to develop and grow mighty while the Romans sat behind their walls waiting to be invaded.

The British Empire is another good example, though its decline is somewhat muddied by the affects of the world wars. Basically, they sowed the seeds of their own downfall when they started relying more and more on local troops in colonized territories to do all the work for them. In this case it was the mercantile system that ultimately caused catastrophe in a lot of cases. Giant corporations funded native militia groups in order to save money and keep the government from putting any regulatory hurdles in their way. When those corporations became hopelessly corrupt and were forcefully disbanded... suddenly all those well-trained and equipped native militias didn't have any paymasters any longer. Whoops.

These are just two big examples. There are plenty more. Basically, if you have the best of everything, you need to go stamp on the face of people who might want to take it away. If you don't, they just keep doing exactly what Iran does: nibble away at you just gently enough that you can't quite justify changing posture, until they're too strong to be easily stopped. Now, Iran is definitely not a match for the US under any circumstances. But neither were the Goths, the Britons or the Franks back in 150AD...

Trig.Point · Jan 8, 2020

The mainstream media is trying to get people to give a shit by claiming 63 Canadians have died. The Iranians say 130 out of 173 were Iranian citizens, the rest mostly crew and Ukrainians. The Canadians, Swedes Brits etc, were all actually Iranians with dual nationality.

ddlloo · Jan 8, 2020

WutangLee said:
They stacked quite a few Canadians in this one. Allegedly. I wonder how laughable the Canadian response is going to be.

Trudeau to apologise to Iran for having his citizens get in the way of one of their missiles and then to convert to islam.

Negilum · Jan 8, 2020

Null said:
The United States will only continue to wane. It cannot be stopped anymore.

what? to people who live with a tab open on /pol/ this might seem like the case, but realistically, the United States is geopolitically uncontested for at least the remainder of the century. While countries like China may seem threatening, once you head 50 miles away from the coastline, people are still plowing their rice paddies with ox.

Iran just set their country 20 years backwards over the course of a single night. The path of least resistance is always to side with the US.

Кот Бегемот said:
Russian troops shutdown Malasian MH17 and it was decisively proven despite 10 different ridiculous versions that Russia offered. Russia backed terrorists made mockery of the crash, literally pillaging the crash site and selling personal items on media, making funny photos on location. EU, Malaysia, Aussies are fine with it.

EU will lube up and bend over again.

The difference is that the Iranians are clearly directly responsible, with Russia, it was most likely the work of Russian backed paramilitary gopniks who were treating their missiles like they were fireworks.

Trouble is, it's difficult to assess how to further punish the Iranians. The country has only recently started entertaining the idea of re-entering global markets, at the very least, Iran just set themselves back 20 years. Iranian Westernizers must be ramming their heads through drywall right now.

HOMO FOR LIFE · Jan 8, 2020

ddlloo said:
Trudeau to apologise to Iran for having his citizens get in the way of one of their missiles and then to convert to islam.

No one in the world would be surprised. Hell they even paid millions of dollars to a terrorist as a compensation for not "rescuing him" from Guantanamo.

not william stenchever · Jan 8, 2020

Broadwing said:
That's actually not implausible. If you look at the ADS-B track earlier, everything was fine, then suddenly it cut off. Even if they weren't busy trying to save it, they may not have had electric power to the radios. Not declaring an emergency itself is an indicator of an incredibly energetic event, which mechanical failure tends not to be.

Iran actually wants us to believe that the mood in the cockpit when they started falling out of the sky was the "This is fine" meme. That plane definitely got whacked, this just confirms it to me.

Regu · Jan 8, 2020

WutangLee said:
They stacked quite a few Canadians in this one. Allegedly. I wonder how laughable the Canadian response is going to be.

Depends, if it is merely political then it will be laughable, if it goes militarily then well, then even I pity Iran. Canadian soldiers are the complete opposite of their idiotic government. JTF2 legitimately scares me and I wish to never face them.

Null · Jan 8, 2020

Negilum said:
While countries like China may seem threatening, once you head 50 miles away from the coastline, people are still plowing their rice paddies with ox.

Look at China 20 years ago compared to now. When Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997, it had a GDP of $177 billion to the mainland's $950 billion. As of 2017, that number is $350b to $12,240b. Conversely, the US had a GDP of $8,609b in 1997 and had a GDP of $19,390b in 2017. What was a 9-fold gap has been effectively closed.

What was an entirely agrarian society is now the most powerful manufacturing hub in the entire world, increasingly interested in its status in the world and pushing its policies on Europeans instead of the other way around.

Why? They are a linguistically, racially, religiously homogeneous state with a strong central power system capable of flexibly planning 100 years in the future. The US is none of those things anymore. The US will be experiencing a EN/SP language divide in the next 20 years (and look at how great that worked out for Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, or any other country that has more than one official language barring the pozzed and irrelevant Switzerland), we're already mutted with most people having no idea what their roots are, and the US is experiencing sheer contempt for its own religious history. Although China is atheistic, the tenants of Confucianism and Daoism are still very strongly present in its family life and legal system and no one can take that from them.

China suffers from a wound. In its history, it was controlled for long periods of times by Mongol dynasty of Yuan. When that fell, the Chinese led Ming dynasty created an unprecedented period of peace and prosperity. After hundreds of years, that then fell to the Manchu Qing dynasty, whose royal bloodline mostly dominated the Republic of China. Mao, a proper Chinaman, led the revolution in no small part to return the reigns of government to the Han Chinese and away from foreign powers, foreign companies, and foreign peoples.

China does not allow Jews into its government, it does not allow foreigners to own more than 50% of any company operating inside its borders, it does not naturalize any foreigners, it re-educates the Muslims in western provinces and integrates them into their society by force. They have seen the decadence and the fall of the American Empire and have learned from its own history that the only people who can be trusted to govern and lead the Chinese are the Chinese.

Someone made fun of me for saying that I spend too much time on /pol/, but /pol/ would agree with you. Those STUPID RICE FARMERS still POOPING IN THE OPEN and EATING BOY EGGS and using GUTTER OIL can't poossssiibbbbllyyy usurp WHITE AMERICA, only the Jews can do that! Everyone is willfully blind to the obvious threat because they're fucking racist and not in the way the Neo-Nazis think they are.

Go 'Baidu' something like "Xi visits university" and look at how the Chairman makes personal visits to the military and AI departments and how strongly the government is focusing on an AI-piloted global military apparatus and an AI-piloted internal police state.

Time will prove me right.

verissimus · Jan 8, 2020

Trig.Point said:
The mainstream media is trying to get people to give a shit by claiming 63 Canadians have died. The Iranians say 130 out of 173 were Iranian citizens, the rest mostly crew and Ukrainians. The Canadians, Swedes Brits etc, were all actually Iranians with dual nationality.

Jesus Christ. How many of their own people have they ended up killing in the span of 2 days?

mindlessobserver · Jan 8, 2020

verissimus said:
Jesus Christ. How many of their own people have they ended up killing in the span of 2 days?

Not enough

Sanshain · Jan 8, 2020

Null said:
Look at China 20 years ago compared to now. When Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997, it had a GDP of $177 billion to the mainland's $950 billion. As of 2017, that number is $350b to $12,240b. Conversely, the US had a GDP of $8,609b in 1997 and had a GDP of $19,390b in 2017. What was a 9-fold gap has been effectively closed.

What was an entirely agrarian society is now the most powerful manufacturing hub in the entire world, increasingly interested in its status in the world and pushing its policies on Europeans instead of the other way around.

Why? They are a linguistically, racially, religiously homogeneous state with a strong central power system capable of flexibly planning 100 years in the future. The US is none of those things anymore. The US will be experiencing a EN/SP language divide in the next 20 years (and look at how great that worked out for Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, or any other country that has more than one official language barring the pozzed and irrelevant Switzerland), we're already mutted with most people having no idea what their roots are, and the US is experiencing sheer contempt for its own religious history. Although China is atheistic, the tenants of Confucianism and Daoism are still very strongly present in its family life and legal system and no one can take that from them.

China suffers from a wound. In its history, it was controlled for long periods of times by Mongol dynasty of Yuan. When that fell, the Chinese led Ming dynasty created an unprecedented period of peace and prosperity. After hundreds of years, that then fell to the Manchu Qing dynasty, whose royal bloodline mostly dominated the Republic of China. Mao, a proper Chinaman, led the revolution in no small part to return the reigns of government to the Han Chinese and away from foreign powers, foreign companies, and foreign peoples.

China does not allow Jews into its government, it does not allow foreigners to own more than 50% of any company operating inside its borders, it does not naturalize any foreigners, it re-educates the Muslims in western provinces and integrates them into their society by force. They have seen the decadence and the fall of the American Empire and have learned from its own history that the only people who can be trusted to govern and lead the Chinese are the Chinese.

Someone made fun of me for saying that I spend too much time on /pol/, but /pol/ would agree with you. Those STUPID RICE FARMERS still POOPING IN THE OPEN and EATING BOY EGGS and using GUTTER OIL can't poossssiibbbbllyyy usurp WHITE AMERICA, only the Jews can do that! Everyone is willfully blind to the obvious threat because they're fucking racist and not in the way the Neo-Nazis think they are.

Time will prove me right.

China is also a habitual liar whose economy has been proven time and time again to be falsifying its own economic growth rates, and have an outright national-scale ponzi scheme going as far as their housing market is concern. The government is also corrupt to an unfathomable degree, and is just as fanatical as Iran when it comes to style-over-substance blustering.

Is American perfect? No. Hah. Definitely not. It has a thousand issues. But China has more. Far more. The only reason people champion it as the next great world empire is because they don't live there, and therefore have a very filtered understanding of how the country works and what goes on within its borders. You don't see the societal degradation of China. You don't see the doctors being stabbed to death in hospitals, you don't see the vast population of elderly ex-communist men who sit on street corners all day lamenting about how they've been abandoned by the nation they once loved. Chinese society is rotten in a way even California's liberal majority could even dream of. It's a gigantic house of cards, built up by power-mad dictators that are just as internally divorced from reality as any of North Korea's leaders.

I'm not scared that China will replace the US as a world power. I'm scared that when they realize they can't cook their books any longer, they'll end up crashing the world economy worse than we've ever seen it before. That's what you should be worried about.

Also, you're just objectively wrong about China being unified in any real way, shape or form. Northern and Southern Chinese consider themselves entirely separate races, and they don't even speak the same dialect. In fact, if you do from one side of the country to another and speak the wrong dialect, you can be socially ostracized to a degree that wouldn't even be seen in apartheid. Underground (or above-ground) separatist movements exist in nearly every country annexed by China, especially in places like Mongolia. Chinese unity is a farce, maintained by state propaganda and press censorship. And it's not even effective censorship.

FlappyBat · Jan 8, 2020

Arctic Fox said:
Earlier in the thread it was posted that Iran sent a complaint to the U.N. security council. It was promptly vetoed by Russia. They stated that Trump's killing of Salami was a proportionate response.

It's late and I'm tired. Search the thread for "Russia" and "U.N. security council. It should pop up.

I tried finding the actual source for that and google only linked it back to 4chan. I think that was a photoshop job.

Mikoyan · Jan 8, 2020

LetThemEatCake said:
Is there a current in-service aircraft model that has a catch fire/explode in midair problem at all?

If not rhetorical: Not that we know of. The last (probable) incident of that sort was TWA 800, and that was a more being a really old plane than a serious design problem.

I mean assuming you don't think (((they))) did it.

Кот Бегемот · Jan 8, 2020

Negilum said:
The difference is that the Iranians are clearly directly responsible, with Russia, it was most likely the work of Russian backed paramilitary gopniks who were treating their missiles like they were fireworks.

No, absolutely not the case.

There is a photographic evidence of the exact Buk missile truck going from Russia, all along into "rebel" occupied Ukraine. There are recordings of the cell phone conversations ... this is a thread unto itself. It was shot down by mistake, likely mistaken for a Ukrainian military aircraft (which they down plenty in those days) and Russian news initially did report it as such, before pulling the video down. Those are not RPGs, it was done by Russian professional military.

The bigger point is that ordering that kind of hardware would go way up the chain of command, not something a local commander would make, all way up to Shoigy and Putin. This is something that EU has no balls to admit. Malaysian king got a Russian wife since then too.

Vince McMahon · Jan 8, 2020

Null said:
Look at China 20 years ago compared to now. When Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997, it had a GDP of $177 billion to the mainland's $950 billion. As of 2017, that number is $350b to $12,240b. Conversely, the US had a GDP of $8,609b in 1997 and had a GDP of $19,390b in 2017. What was a 9-fold gap has been effectively closed.

What was an entirely agrarian society is now the most powerful manufacturing hub in the entire world, increasingly interested in its status in the world and pushing its policies on Europeans instead of the other way around.

Why? They are a linguistically, racially, religiously homogeneous state with a strong central power system capable of flexibly planning 100 years in the future. The US is none of those things anymore. The US will be experiencing a EN/SP language divide in the next 20 years (and look at how great that worked out for Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, or any other country that has more than one official language barring the pozzed and irrelevant Switzerland), we're already mutted with most people having no idea what their roots are, and the US is experiencing sheer contempt for its own religious history. Although China is atheistic, the tenants of Confucianism and Daoism are still very strongly present in its family life and legal system and no one can take that from them.

China suffers from a wound. In its history, it was controlled for long periods of times by Mongol dynasty of Yuan. When that fell, the Chinese led Ming dynasty created an unprecedented period of peace and prosperity. After hundreds of years, that then fell to the Manchu Qing dynasty, whose royal bloodline mostly dominated the Republic of China. Mao, a proper Chinaman, led the revolution in no small part to return the reigns of government to the Han Chinese and away from foreign powers, foreign companies, and foreign peoples.

China does not allow Jews into its government, it does not allow foreigners to own more than 50% of any company operating inside its borders, it does not naturalize any foreigners, it re-educates the Muslims in western provinces and integrates them into their society by force. They have seen the decadence and the fall of the American Empire and have learned from its own history that the only people who can be trusted to govern and lead the Chinese are the Chinese.

Someone made fun of me for saying that I spend too much time on /pol/, but /pol/ would agree with you. Those STUPID RICE FARMERS still POOPING IN THE OPEN and EATING BOY EGGS and using GUTTER OIL can't poossssiibbbbllyyy usurp WHITE AMERICA, only the Jews can do that! Everyone is willfully blind to the obvious threat because they're fucking racist and not in the way the Neo-Nazis think they are.

Go 'Baidu' something like "Xi visits university" and look at how the Chairman makes personal visits to the military and AI departments and how strongly the government is focusing on an AI-piloted global military apparatus and an AI-piloted internal police state.

Time will prove me right.

Hans are universally hated. CPC forcefully homogenizes China, that is correct but even in its' boundless "wisdom" (read: iron fist up your ass) it cannot police the aggrieved minorities and it still hasn't reigned in on the huge problem that is: CHINESE CORRUPTION. You think Ukraine/Russia is bad? Multiply it times 100 and you will know just how fucked up China is beyond Remin Ribao's pompous slogans (much like with Pravda in the USSR, you don't look to their outlets to know the truth because it's not even distorted, it doesn't exist there). Heck, Hans hate themselves. Rural Hans may still have that "community spirit" but City Hans are out for themselves. Thanks to one-child policy back in a day, they may actually have incel rebellions at some point (actually, it wouldn't be the first time in Chinese history either).

What you see is a front. Even within the "young princes" faction of the CPC, there is no unity. They have bought the capitalism hook, line and sinker and they are concerned with nothing but profit, all the while - fuck the long term prospects of the country.

The moment CPC looses its' grip even for an inch - Hans will be slaughtered by the millions and China will fall. Just like it did, time and time again in history. Chinese are their own worst mortal enemies.

LetThemEatCake · Jan 8, 2020

Broadwing said:
If not rhetorical: Not that we know of. The last (probable) incident of that sort was TWA 800, and that was a more being a really old plane than a serious design problem.

I mean assuming you don't think (((they))) did it.

I was being facetious.

And no, I'm not one of those folks on here.

Shield Breaker · Jan 8, 2020

Null said:
Look at China 20 years ago compared to now. When Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997, it had a GDP of $177 billion to the mainland's $950 billion. As of 2017, that number is $350b to $12,240b. Conversely, the US had a GDP of $8,609b in 1997 and had a GDP of $19,390b in 2017. What was a 9-fold gap has been effectively closed.

What was an entirely agrarian society is now the most powerful manufacturing hub in the entire world, increasingly interested in its status in the world and pushing its policies on Europeans instead of the other way around.

Why? They are a linguistically, racially, religiously homogeneous state with a strong central power system capable of flexibly planning 100 years in the future. The US is none of those things anymore. The US will be experiencing a EN/SP language divide in the next 20 years (and look at how great that worked out for Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, or any other country that has more than one official language barring the pozzed and irrelevant Switzerland), we're already mutted with most people having no idea what their roots are, and the US is experiencing sheer contempt for its own religious history. Although China is atheistic, the tenants of Confucianism and Daoism are still very strongly present in its family life and legal system and no one can take that from them.

China suffers from a wound. In its history, it was controlled for long periods of times by Mongol dynasty of Yuan. When that fell, the Chinese led Ming dynasty created an unprecedented period of peace and prosperity. After hundreds of years, that then fell to the Manchu Qing dynasty, whose royal bloodline mostly dominated the Republic of China. Mao, a proper Chinaman, led the revolution in no small part to return the reigns of government to the Han Chinese and away from foreign powers, foreign companies, and foreign peoples.

China does not allow Jews into its government, it does not allow foreigners to own more than 50% of any company operating inside its borders, it does not naturalize any foreigners, it re-educates the Muslims in western provinces and integrates them into their society by force. They have seen the decadence and the fall of the American Empire and have learned from its own history that the only people who can be trusted to govern and lead the Chinese are the Chinese.

Someone made fun of me for saying that I spend too much time on /pol/, but /pol/ would agree with you. Those STUPID RICE FARMERS still POOPING IN THE OPEN and EATING BOY EGGS and using GUTTER OIL can't poossssiibbbbllyyy usurp WHITE AMERICA, only the Jews can do that! Everyone is willfully blind to the obvious threat because they're fucking racist and not in the way the Neo-Nazis think they are.

Go 'Baidu' something like "Xi visits university" and look at how the Chairman makes personal visits to the military and AI departments and how strongly the government is focusing on an AI-piloted global military apparatus and an AI-piloted internal police state.

Time will prove me right.

They don't have a single language. Mandarin may be the official language, but outside of the cities a lot of people still use their native dialect. The difference between these aren't like accents in the US, but more like going from Spanish to French to Italian.

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Trig.Point

I wouldn't start from here.

Vince McMahon

Kayfabe continues

Freddy Freaker

Poz my freak hole daddy

Sanshain

Avatar? I don't need no stinkin' avatar.

Trig.Point

I wouldn't start from here.

ddlloo

Negilum

Why are you so alarmed?

HOMO FOR LIFE

flaunting her autism like a title of nobility

not william stenchever

I AM NOT REASONABLE. I AM AN EVIL WIZARD.

Regu

pretends to be Russian for stickers

Null

Ooperator

verissimus

mindlessobserver

Sanshain

Avatar? I don't need no stinkin' avatar.

FlappyBat

Mikoyan

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Кот Бегемот

Vince McMahon

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LetThemEatCake

Shield Breaker

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