War Iran-United States Military Crisis of 2020 - US Baghdad embassy under siege, rocket fire in US Baghdad green zone, Ukrainian Airlines flight 752 crash, and more!

January 10th:
Exclusive: Informants in Iraq, Syria helped U.S. kill Iran's Soleimani - sources (archive)(post)
Iraqi Shia cleric whose militia killed American troops says crisis is over following Iran strike and Trump speech (archive)(post)
Iraqi PM tells US to decide mechanism for troop withdrawal (archive)(post)
Mike Pence says Congress might 'compromise sources and methods' if fully briefed on the Soleimani strike (archive)(post)
Unidentified planes hit Iraqi militiamen in Syria, killing 8 (archive)(post)
Iraq: The Master Of Mayhem Meets A Missile (archive)(post)
Eliminating Qasem Soleimani was Donald Trump’s Middle East farewell letter (archive)(post)
Iran uses BULLDOZERS to clear debris from plane crash site while accusing US of ‘big lie’ that they shot it down (archive)(post)
Swiss Back Channel Helped Defuse U.S.-Iran Crisis (post)

January 11th:
UKRAINIAN AIRCRAFT WAS BROUGHT DOWN IN IRAN DUE TO 'HUMAN ERROR' (archive)(post)
Iran minister says 'human error' caused by 'US adventurism' led to deadly crash of Ukrainian jetliner (archive)(post)
Ukrainian aircraft was brought down in Iran due to 'human error' (archive)(post)
Trump, at Ohio rally, says Democrats would have leaked Soleimani attack plans (archive)(post)
The Atlantic's David Frum blames Trump for downing of plane in Iran, deaths of 176 (archive)(post)
Associated Press changes ‘shockingly bad’ headline about Soleimani, Ukrainian plane crash after backlash (archive)(post)
GOP Rep. Doug Collins apologizes for saying Democrats are 'in love with terrorists' (archive)(post)
Iran demands West 'show findings' as new video reveals aircraft was struck before fiery crash (archive)(post)
Warren town hall interrupted by angry protester accusing her of ‘siding with terrorists’ (archive)(post)
Trump administration announces new sanctions on Iran (archive)(post)
Prepare For the Worst From Iran Cyber Attacks, As DHS Issues Warning: Experts (archive)(post)
Trump tells Fox News' Laura Ingraham 'four embassies' were targeted in imminent threat from Iran (archive)(post)
Trump tweets support for Iranian protesters as they demand Khamenei quit (archive)(post)
Trump warns Iran against ‘another massacre’ as protests flare over downed jet (archive)(post)

January 12th:
Trump tweet in Farsi 'the most liked Persian tweet' in history of Twitter (archive)(post)
Iraq warned to keep US troops or risk financial blow-WSJ (archive)(post)
Iran arrests UK ambassador in what Britain calls ‘flagrant violation of international law’ (archive)(post)

January 13th:
Trump authorized Soleimani's killing 7 months ago, with conditions (archive)(post)

edit: This is a WIP. All links are posted in the order they appear in the thread, not in chronological order of their publication.


---Original OP before the merge---
Iraqi supporters of Iran-backed militia attack US Embassy
https://apnews.com/75228a8a607a44863b57021ac33264dc (http://archive.vn/ljm9Y)

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA12 minutes ago

BAGHDAD (AP) — Dozens of angry Iraqi Shiite militia supporters broke into the U.S. Embassy compound in Baghdad on Tuesday after smashing a main door and setting fire to a reception area, prompting tear gas and sounds of gunfire.

An Associated Press reporter at the scene saw flames rising from inside the compound and at least three U.S. soldiers on the roof of the main building inside embassy. It was not clear what caused the fire at the reception area near the parking lot of the compound. A man on a loudspeaker urged the mob not to enter the compound, saying: “The message was delivered.”

The embassy attack followed deadly U.S. airstrikes on Sunday that killed 25 fighters of the Iran-backed militia in Iraq, the Kataeb Hezbollah. The U.S. military said it was in retaliation for last week’s killing of an American contractor in a rocket attack on an Iraqi military base that it had blamed on the militia.

Dozens of protesters marched inside the compound after smashing the gate used by cars to enter the embassy. The protesters, many in militia uniform, stopped in a corridor after about 5 meters (16 feet), and were only about 200 meters away from the main building. Half a dozen U.S. soldiers were seen on the roof of the main building, their guns were pointed at the protesters.

Smoke from the tear gas rose in the area, and at least three of the protesters appeared to have difficulties breathing. It wasn’t immediately known whether the embassy staff had remained inside the main building.

The protesters hanged a poster on the wall: “America is an aggressor.”

Shouting “Down, Down USA,” the crowd tried to push inside the embassy grounds, hurling water and stones over its walls. They raised yellow militia flags and taunted the embassy’s security staff who remained behind the glass windows in the gates’ reception area. They sprayed graffiti on the wall and windows in red in support of the Kataeb Hezbollah militia: “Closed in the name of the resistance.”

Hundreds of angry protesters, some in militia uniforms, set up tents outside the embassy. As tempers rose, the mob set fire to three trailers used by security guards along the embassy wall.

No one was immediately reported hurt in the rampage and security staff had withdrawn to inside the embassy earlier, soon after protesters gathered outside.

The U.S. attack — the largest targeting an Iraqi state-sanctioned militia in recent years — and the subsequent calls by the militia for retaliation, represent a new escalation in the proxy war between the U.S. and Iran playing out in the Middle East.

Tuesday’s attempted embassy storming took place after mourners and supporters held funerals for the militia fighters killed in a Baghdad neighborhood, after which they marched on to the heavily fortified Green Zone and kept walking till they reached the sprawling U.S. Embassy there.

AP journalists then saw the crowd as they tried to scale the walls of the embassy, in what appeared to be an attempt to storm it, shouting “Down, down USA!” and “Death to America” and “Death to Israel.”

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday’s strikes send the message that the U.S. will not tolerate actions by Iran that jeopardize American lives.

The Iranian-backed Iraqi militia had vowed Monday to retaliate for the U.S. military strikes. The attack and vows for revenge raised concerns of new attacks that could threaten American interests in the region.

The U.S. attack also outraged both the militias and the Iraqi government, which said it will reconsider its relationship with the U.S.-led coalition — the first time it has said it will do so since an agreement was struck to keep some U.S. troops in the country. It called the attack a “flagrant violation” of its sovereignty.

In a partly televised meeting Monday, Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi told Cabinet members that he had tried to stop the U.S. operation “but there was insistence” from American officials.

The U.S. military said “precision defensive strikes” were conducted against five sites of Kataeb Hezbollah, or Hezbollah Brigades in Iraq and Syria. The group, which is a separate force from the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, operates under the umbrella of the state-sanctioned militias known collectively as the Popular Mobilization Forces. Many of them are supported by Iran.









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So this happened. Apparently the house is shit for brains enough to think they can stop trump from acting in accordance with his legal rights as commander in chief of the armed forces

 
If we had a fairly precise approximation of the location of the plane at impact with the missile, and some rough specifications for the missile itself, it would actually pretty easy to figure it out from the video, since you could use the time between missile launch, and impact to get an estimate of distance. Once you knew the distance from the observer to plane, and launch site to plane, the only missing point is distance between observer and launch site, which can be solved pretty simply.

For instance, subtracting about .2 miles from the distance of the observer to impact (to account roughly for altitude adding to the distance), and then assuming the missile was launched 1 mile away from the plane, it would mean the launch site was about 2 miles away from the observer if I calculated it correctly.

 
So this happened. Apparently the house is shit for brains enough to think they can stop trump from acting in accordance with his legal rights as commander in chief of the armed forces

Non-binding, so it means nothing.
 

Lol they used the same method I was talking about.
 
So this happened. Apparently the house is shit for brains enough to think they can stop trump from acting in accordance with his legal rights as commander in chief of the armed forces


Can someone just gas this bitch already? A coup isn't enough for her, she's got to usurp the presidency by hobbling as well.
 
American Officials Say Intelligence Points To Iran Shooting Down Ukrainian Airliner (Updated)
The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff while Iran was on high alert for an American counterattack after firing missiles at U.S. troops in Iraq.

U.S. officials say they are "confident" in intelligence that an Iranian surface-to-air missile brought down an airliner belonging to Ukraine International Airlines. Ukrainian investigators had already said that they were considering this possibility as they explore the incident, which followed a recent and unprecedented Iranian missile strike targeting U.S. forces in Iraq. This all comes as Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which carried out the strikes on targets in Iraq, says that it was on high alert for an immediate American counter-attack and was prepared for an ensuing conflict that might have lasted days or weeks.

Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752, a Boeing 737-800, crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airport at approximately 6:12 AM local time on Jan. 8, 2020. The flight was heading to the Ukranian capital Kyiv and had 176 crew and passengers on board, all of whom died in the subsequent crash. Video footage that subsequently emerged showed the plane engulfed in a fireball before it hit the ground. The incident occurred hours after the Iranian missile strikes aimed at American troops in Iraq first began.


#Satellite imagery from today, January 9th, of the Ukrainian passenger airplane crash site near Khalaj Abad, #Iran showing the lengthy debris field and burned area, with visible search and recovery vehicles nearby. #ukraineplanecrash pic.twitter.com/OJgObd1jKc
— Maxar Technologies (@Maxar) January 9, 2020
Newsweek was among the first to report that U.S. defense and intelligence officials, as well as an Iraqi official, had told them that they also believe an Iranian surface-to-air missile brought down the 737. CBS News and other outlets have now also reported that U.S. officials believe this is what happened, based on various sources of intelligence.



The currently thinking is the plane was mistakenly targeted. Remember it took off just hours after Iran launched its missile attack while the world waited to see if the U.S. would respond militarily.
— Kris Van Cleave (@krisvancleave) January 9, 2020
More @CBCNews: One American official said U.S. satellites had detected the launch of 2 missiles shortly before the plane crashed, followed by evidence of an explosion. Two officials said Washington believed the downing of the plane was accidental. https://t.co/p6AIRHZJqu
— CBC News Alerts (@CBCAlerts) January 9, 2020
These include indications that Iranian air defenses activated their radars at around the time of the crash and at least two infrared signatures from possible surface-to-air missile launches seen by U.S. satellites. The satellites also reportedly saw the plane itself bursting into flames.


Another footage of #UkrainianAirlines flight #PS752 that crashed in #Tehran under still unknown circumstances.
pic.twitter.com/k9ePkSdJhW
— Aldin 🇧🇦 (@aldin_ww) January 9, 2020
The latter information very likely came from U.S. early-warning infrared satellites, especially the Space-Based Infrared System (SBIRS) constellation, the capabilities of which the War Zone has explored in detail in the past. These same satellites were very likely among the early warning systems that U.S. President Donald Trump and other officials say helped ensure U.S. personnel in Iraq had time to seek shelter and escape any casualties from the Iranian missile strike.

The War Zone was the first to discuss how SBIRS or other space-based early warning systems could help in determining what happened to PS752, as well as help prevent casualties from the Iranian missiles, as part of our live coverage of the attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, stating:


"Something to remember is that there is a tremendous amount of intelligence data to analyze from America's space-based early warning network of infrared sensing satellites alone. Where the launches emanated from and where the missiles impacted, even the ones that missed, would have been recorded. The system can detect smaller infrared events as well and its data that could be used to help confirm if the Ukrainian airliner was indeed shot down. This same network, which is about to get even more capable, would have given near-instant warning that a launch was underway, which in turn gave American and allied troops time to take cover and prepare for the incoming bombardment. You can read all about this system in this past piece of ours."
Plenty of SBIRS data to analyze after this. Launch location & impacts etc. Could help with understanding what happened to the 737. Would have provided U.S. personnel & allies in Iraq early warning to take cover before the missiles arrived. More on it here:https://t.co/wLXLAtBVFf
— Tyler Rogoway (@Aviation_Intel) January 8, 2020
An initial report from a Ukranian team investigating the accident say that they cannot rule out the possibility that Iranian air defenses shot down the airliner. They also say that they are looking into whether a terrorist bombing or some sort of engine failure was the cause. Unconfirmed Ukranian media reports say that sources among the investigation team have said that there is no evidence of an engine fire or and engine "overheating," as Iranian media reports have claimed.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has also said publicly that he cannot say "categorically" that the airliner was not shot down, but insisted it was too early to say for sure one way or another. 63 Canadian nationals were on the flight, the largest single national contingent onboard behind Iranian citizens.

It remains unclear what weapon may have brought down the Ukranian airliner, but unconfirmed pictures have emerged online since purporting to show part of a 9M331 missile near the crash site. This missile is associated with the Russian-made Tor-M1 surface-to-air missile, which NATO also refers to as the SA-15 Gauntlet. Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps operates a number of Tor-M1 systems. These are capable of engaging targets at short-to-medium ranges. PS752 would have been flying relatively low at the time of the crash, having just taken off from the airport in Tehran.


Dozens are people are pointing this out, but these irrigation canal/barrier things are *everywhere* around this area. That's like pointing out that there's a paved road or rock near the crash site, just like in the pic with the rocket part.https://t.co/ibf1TCCelx
— Aric Toler (@AricToler) January 9, 2020
-A lot of outlets (I'm looking at you, Ukrainian news outlets) are reporting this photo as definitely real. Nope!
-Original source of first photo suspended on Twitter; he said he got it from a local on WhatsApp
-Would be massive development if verified, but so far, nothing solid
— Aric Toler (@AricToler) January 9, 2020
Iranian officials have already categorically denied that it shot down the aircraft, highlighting the large number of Iranians onboard and describing reports of a shoot down as "psychological warfare." Outlets in Iran were first to report the crash and almost immediately stated that a "technical fault" was responsible.

Iranian officials have also since said that the aircraft appeared to turn back toward the airport in Tehran before plummeting into the ground and that air traffic controllers never received a distress call. Iran has reportedly recovered the black boxes from the aircraft, but says that they are damaged. The aircraft's manufacturer, Boeing, has said that it is seeking additional information, but the lack of formal diplomatic relations with Iran, as well as extensive U.S. sanctions, means the company cannot readily send its own personnel to the country to assess the situation. The regime in Tehran has already stated that it is not interested in American help with the investigation, anyways. Ukraine has asked the United Kingdom to aid in determining exactly what happened.


All told, while the publicly available evidence may remain circumstantial, it is not hard to see how Iranian air defender may have mistakenly shot down the airliner. Earlier today, Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the commander of Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps' Aerospace Force, which primarily oversees the country's ballistic missile arsenal, said that his forces had been on alert for an American counter-attack following the initial missile strikes on bases housing U.S. forces in Iraq and they had been prepared for much larger conflict. There had also been reports that the Iranian Air Force had scrambled combat jets to guard the country's skies against possible retaliation.

Iranian air defenders could very well have made an error in identifying PS752 as a threat. This would hardly be the first time that an incident like this has occurred. In a particularly infamous recent incident, a mixture of Russian and Russian-backed forces in Ukraine shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 over that country in 2014, possibly believing they were aiming at a Ukrainian military aircraft. In 2018, Syrian air defenders also shot down a Russian Il-20 surveillance plane while attempting to respond to Israeli airstrikes.

Iran itself is no stranger to such things, with the regime in Tehran often bringing up the U.S. Navy's shootdown of Iran Air Flight IR655 in 1988. This remains an extremely controversial incident that the United States maintains was a tragic accident. American and Iranian officials reached a settlement in international court over the shootdown in 1996, agreeing to pay compensation to the families of the passengers. Iran most recently made major public references to IR655 following President Trump's threat over the weekend to strike 52 targets in Iran, including cultural sites, representing the 52 Americans Iranian revolutionaries held hostage in Tehran between 1979 and 1981.


Those who refer to the number 52 should also remember the number 290. #IR655
Never threaten the Iranian nation.
— Hassan Rouhani (@HassanRouhani) January 6, 2020
An accidental shootdown of a commercial airliner by Iranian air defenders would be extremely embarrassing to the Iranian regime, which has sought to present itself as the objective victim of American aggression since the U.S. drone strike that killed Qasem Soleimani, former head of Iran's Quds Force, in Iraq last week. It's unclear how the crash of PS752 might impact U.S.-Iran tensions now as more evidence continues to emerge suggesting Iranian forces shot it down.

We will continue to update this story as more information becomes available.

UPDATE: 1:25PM EST—

President Donald Trump has not confirmed the reports that U.S. intelligence points to Iran shooting down the Ukrainian airliner, but has now told reporters that it was flying through a "rough neighborhood" and "I have a feeling that...something very terrible happened."


Trump says the plane shot down in Iran was flying in a "rough neighborhood."
— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) January 9, 2020
"I have a feeling that...something very terrible happened" with #PS752, adds @POTUS, speaking with reporters in the Roosevelt Room.
— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) January 9, 2020
“It's a tragic thing. But somebody could have made a mistake on the other side,” Trump told reporters in Roosevelt Room, referring to downing of Flight 752 in Iran.

“At some point, they'll release the black box. Ideally they get it to Boeing,” but if gave it to France “OK too.“
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) January 9, 2020
The United Kingdom has said that it is looking into the new information and that it is "very concerning." Canadian officials have also reportedly received the U.S. intelligence and find it "credible."


NEW: #Britain calls reports #PS752 was brought down by #Iran|ian antiaircraft fire "very concerning"

"I'm not going to speculate on this but the reports we have seen are very concerning" per @10DowningStreet spox "We are urgently looking into them"
— Jeff Seldin (@jseldin) January 9, 2020
BREAKING: Government sources tell CTV NEWS the Canadian government believes the U.S. Intelligence reports that the Ukrainian plane was accidentally shot down by an Iranian missile are credible.
— Heather Wright (@HeatherCTV) January 9, 2020
UPDATE: 2:25PM EST—
An video has emerged on social media purporting to show an Iranian surface-to-air missile impacting flight PS752, but there has been no verification of its authenticity as of yet.


We are analyzing this new video supposedly showing a mid-air explosion. By our initial estimation, the video shows an apartment block in western Parand (35.489414, 50.906917), facing northeast. This perspective is directed approximately towards the known trajectory of #PS752. pic.twitter.com/nDvjRIkFU4
— Bellingcat (@bellingcat) January 9, 2020
The building facade matches on Google Earth, as do the side revetments.

Also fits with a potential surface-to-air missile launch from the air defence site (or nearby) that I talked about earlier at Malard missile base... pic.twitter.com/KyQAj29rwa
— ELINT News (@ELINTNews) January 9, 2020
By measuring the time that it took for the camera to hear the explosion, we estimated the distance of the event (red circle), and cross-referenced it with the geolocation of the video and the flight trajectory of #PS752 (taken from from FlightRadar24). pic.twitter.com/76vw5zyM6Z
— Bellingcat (@bellingcat) January 9, 2020
UPDATE: 3:30PM EST—
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has now publicly said that his country has evidence, including intelligence from its allies, that points to Iran having shot down the Ukrainian airliner. It "may well have been unintentional," he added.


PM Trudeau: 'We have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile.' Goes on to say that shooting 'may well have been unintentional.'
— CBC News Alerts (@CBCAlerts) January 9, 2020
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has made similar remarks.


BREAKING: Britain's @BorisJohnson says there is a "body of evidence" that the Ukrainian airline that crashed in Iran was shot down by Iranian Surface to Air Missile. "This may well have been unintentional."
— Deborah Haynes (@haynesdeborah) January 9, 2020
 
If we had a fairly precise approximation of the location of the plane at impact with the missile, and some rough specifications for the missile itself, it would actually pretty easy to figure it out from the video, since you could use the time between missile launch, and impact to get an estimate of distance. Once you knew the distance from the observer to plane, and launch site to plane, the only missing point is distance between observer and launch site, which can be solved pretty simply.

For instance, subtracting about .2 miles from the distance of the observer to impact (to account roughly for altitude adding to the distance), and then assuming the missile was launched 1 mile away from the plane, it would mean the launch site was about 2 miles away from the observer if I calculated it correctly.

I'm 90% positive those missiles came from south-east of that large triangular-shaped radar installation; from three videos, the flight path to crash, times, and images of local architecture.

Additionally, the large square facility in that direction is definitely a missile/rocket artillery service & test area. It's been crosshatch censored by an Iranian using the equivalent of rip-off of MS Paint or Messenger on a shitty mobile phone, but they didn't catch the motor test stands, loading berms, & ancient transporter trailers. I spotted one for a fucking Scud (or whatever the Iranians call it) off in one corner.

I located as well, various downrange impact craters in the mountains, all quite close to where the missiles hit the plane. It's tiresome work, but a lot easier than spotting Nork or Chicom emplacements. They're also a lot more proficient at Google Maps censorship, evidently.
 
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So three republicans apparently voted for the measure... But eight democrats voted against it.

Once again, "bipartisan" doesn't look quite the way the democrats want it to.
You can only make an ass of yourself so much before being shamed into acting differently. The world is watching, and Trump's popularity is unprecedented. Especially given the situation.
 
I'm 90% positive those missiles came from south-east of that large triangular-shaped radar installation; from three videos, the flight path to crash, times, and images of local architecture.

Additionally, the large square facility in that direction is definitely a missile/rocket artillery service & test area. It's been crosshatch censored by an Iranian using the equivalent of rip-off of MS Paint or Messenger on a shitty mobile phone, but they didn't catch the motor test stands, loading berms, & ancient transporter trailers. I spotted one for a fucking Scud (or whatever the Iranians call it) off in one corner.

I located as well, various downrange impact craters in the mountains, all quite close to where the missiles hit the plane. It's tiresome work, but a lot easier than spotting Nork or Chicom emplacements. They're also a lot more proficient at Google Maps censorship, evidently.
I'm actually thinking this is the location. The reason being is that it looks like the plane was still traveling to the north west, and got hit at its 9-11 o'clock. There's also a structure that looks like a heavy vehicle bunker there, and it's at the perfect angle for that.


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Launch site
Missile flight path
Impact zone
Approximate direction of travel of plane
 
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What's wrong with assassinations? They're cheaper than wars for improving your bargaining position and kill less people.

Theres no need for assassinations when you are already in a strong bargaining position. It just serves to destablize things. Why would Trump destabilize the political situation when he already has the pressure on Iran? Taking out a leadership seems to often be the Neocon/Obama/Hillary playbook. Libya, Iraq, Syria, and funnily thats when ISIS was at it's strongest. It's almost like it incites people to join radical groups.
 

Very interesting. It's likely the Iranian state shot down the plane for violating airspace since multiple military installations are around that area.

I'm 90% positive those missiles came from south-east of that large triangular-shaped radar installation; from three videos, the flight path to crash, times, and images of local architecture.

Additionally, the large square facility in that direction is definitely a missile/rocket artillery service & test area. It's been crosshatch censored by an Iranian using the equivalent of rip-off of MS Paint or Messenger on a shitty mobile phone, but they didn't catch the motor test stands, loading berms, & ancient transporter trailers. I spotted one for a fucking Scud (or whatever the Iranians call it) off in one corner.

I located as well, various downrange impact craters in the mountains, all quite close to where the missiles hit the plane. It's tiresome work, but a lot easier than spotting Nork or Chicom emplacements. They're also a lot more proficient at Google Maps censorship, evidently.
It is likely that a S 300 or the Iranian version of the S 300 was used to shoot down the plane since no footage shows any trail behind the plane indicating a fighter jet was in the air. Also I know Iranians use knock offs of telegram so the footage probably came from there.
 
What's wrong with assassinations? They're cheaper than wars for improving your bargaining position and kill less people.


Well the US really only got 2 ways of keeping shit holes like iran inline

you either invade them (which is probably more trouble than its worth, bad optics both home and abroad and costs a metric fuck tonne of money especially if you have to occupy the country)

or you make them realise if they dont play ball then some 18 year old is going to be paying them a visit at some undisclosed time in the future via predator drone
 
I'm actually thinking this is the location. The reason being is that it looks like the plane was still traveling to the north east, and got hit at its 9-11 o'clock. There's also a structure that looks like a heavy vehicle bunker there, and it's at the perfect angle for that.

That's part of an active burn-pit and landfill area; the revetment-type structure is one of the first I looked at and eliminated.

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The ADA & SAM sites I found are much smaller and don't show vehicles, but are close to ordnance-type bunkers, with openings large enough for loaded Tor or S-300 launcher.

Currently my bandwidth is sucking ass, will update later.
 
Very interesting. It's likely the Iranian state shot down the plane for violating airspace since multiple military installations are around that area.


It is likely that a S 300 or the Iranian version of the S 300 was used to shoot down the plane since no footage shows any trail behind the plane indicating a fighter jet was in the air. Also I know Iranians use knock offs of telegram so the footage probably came from there.

Violating airspace? The aircraft was already there and authorized to be there. Also, it was most likely a Tor missile system.

The shootdown was a mistake, or something made to look like one.
 
Yeah when I heard Suleimani was basically assassinated. I thought, "that doesn't sound like Trump, he likes to make deals, that sounds very Obama/Hillary-esque"

Trump has always said he'd retaliate if Americans are killed. I don't know why people thought he was boasting. As much as this has been a mess, I am glad this was the time someone decided to call his bluff on it. Any other country would have been an absolute nightmare.
 
Well, if Canada wants to handle this, they can. America has no reason to go to war, and Iran dug it's own grave. As far as the US is concerned, we should just leave this to the countries who actually lost citizens over this pathetic attempt at riling the US up, and simply send supply aid and stuff, I.E: not troops. We only go to war over orchestrated false flag attacks nowadays, goddammit! When someone mentions Iran has WMD's out of nowhere, then we'll go over there and shit, ya know? Gotta set it up.
The problem with that is that Canada (as well as Ukraine) are being dragged into Iran's temper tantrum against the US against their will, they weren't prepared for Iran's incompetence killing several of their own people when they were aiming for US bases.

As much as Justin's willing to admit Iran's at fault, and they are, Canada's not going to fight something that America should be dealing with. Ukraine I can probably see taking part since that was their plane Iran crashed, but not Canada.

So this happened. Apparently the house is shit for brains enough to think they can stop trump from acting in accordance with his legal rights as commander in chief of the armed forces

So they basically are supporting terrorism with this. I don't care if they say they don't, if this affects the US's efforts, then they're as much of the problem as Iran is.
 
Very interesting. It's likely the Iranian state shot down the plane for violating airspace since multiple military installations are around that area.

Violating what airspace? They received a flight plan clearance from the overarching Iranian ATC authorities. They were departing from Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airport.

Edit: They didn't deviate from the regular departure route (until they were hit).
 
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