General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Non-Expert!]

Ultimately it's true that laws aren't terribly affective but they do help set a tone for what an average person feels they can do about it. I don't want to be pressured into ignoring the obvious red flags. If laws tell you you can throw men out of the women's bathroom then more women will feel like they can throw troons out of their bathrooms.

When I have encountered a man (tranny or not) in women's bathrooms, it is still legal for me to tell him to GTFO. As a matter of fact, here is a quarter, they can call someone who cares. Or send law enforcement in, and arrest me for telling him to get the fuck out of the ladies room, double dog dare you.

All things being equal, I would be happy to speak up. However, what stops me is my fear of confrontation, being that I am a 125 lb female, in a cinder block trap, with running water, porcelain fixtures, and no witness around.

My skull in a the hand of a muscular man vs. Porcelain sink/toilet and running water. Skull 0 - Sink 1.

Forget the laws ... They know they are in our bathroom, and that they shouldn't be there.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

why would anyone want to Displace women? let alone "Dominate" them over something as silly (and unsanitary) as a bathroom?..

Besides what everyone else has said, it's very simple. If you don't allow them to enter women's bathrooms then you are implictly telling them they aren't women and they can't stand that.

 

[Syaoran Li]

IMO bathroom laws are well-intended but would be mostly symbolic (almost nobody would bother to enforce them), and pretty useless in a context where trannies are still allowed to express themselves as trannies. Here's what I'd do instead:

1. Eliminate "transgender" as a legal category (so they're essentially just crossdressers now in the eyes of the law)
2. Introduce indecency laws against public crossdressing.

Boom, no bathroom issues. No pretense for men entering the ladies' room in the guise of women.

I'm all for eliminating the legal red tape that comes with having a special category for trans and "non-binary" laws.

But I'm also opposed to the idea of indecency laws against public cross-dressing, especially since it's one of those things that's very dependent on context and is an issue with a lot of gray areas and nuance.

Not all cross-dressing is inherently sexual or fetishistic. Would these indecency laws only cover public fetishists who are doing blatantly sexual acts? Lewd conduct laws already have that covered.

Otherwise, what's to stop the cops from arresting some dude who dressed up in a dress for a Halloween costume party or as part of a joke? What about actors who are cross-dressing for a comedy sketch?

The best way to fight the bathroom troons is to enforce the laws prohibiting public lewdness that already exist and to stop bending over backwards to troon crybullies. If you see some troon acting creepy in the ladies' room, call the cops and report it. Place an anonymous tip the management of the establishment, do something that lets them know of the problem.

Call them out on their bullshit and don't back down when the Twitter mobs start calling you "TERF" or "Nazi" or whatever the current boogeyman of the month is.

 

[Spastic Colon]

And for every actual troon you get you'll harass about ten innocent women.

Only if you are reporting anyone who looks vaguely masculine. I wouldn't even report an actual troon if he just went to pee and washed his hands at the sink like everyone else. But, if I hear someone jacking off in the next stall or someone like Yaniv is asking me about tampons -- I'd like to have the option to call the cops.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

That's why bathroom laws are ultimately pointless and a waste of time. You're going to have way more false positives for women who just look like men than actual troons. Just prohibit acting like a fucking weirdo in a bathroom whether you're Macho Ma'am Tranny Savage or Scarlett Johansson. If you perv out in a bathroom, you get banned. One of the main weird ass thing troons seem to do is just hang around in them taking selfies. Prohibit photography of any kind.

That would be ideal. I guess the problem is that right now, if the weirdo cries transphobia he might be seen as a victim. Yaniv dragged a bunch of women to court because they wouldn't wax his balls, something similar might happen if one was kicked out of a bathroom.

Only if you are reporting anyone who looks vaguely masculine. I wouldn't even report an actual troon if he just went to pee and washed his hands at the sink like everyone else. But, if I hear someone jacking off in the next stall or someone like Yaniv is asking me about tampons -- I'd like to have the option to call the cops.

This. I assume the attempt to enforce segregated bathrooms in France failed because some feminists went overboard and started accusing everyone of having a dick. In an environment where no one is being autistically hyper vigilant, it's only the blatant fetishists who would get reported.

 

[AnOminous]

This. I assume the attempt to enforce segregated bathrooms in France failed because some feminists went overboard and started accusing everyone of having a dick. In an environment where no one is being autistically hyper vigilant, it's only the blatant fetishists who would get reported.

The problem under the current circumstances is these laws are passed with ridiculous ballyhoo that encourages that kind of vigilante moron. Sort of like how "stand your ground" laws are usually more or less okay in the actual statutory language, but are passed in an environment and with autistic names like "make my day" that encourage idiots who, of course, don't actually read the statutes before deciding to go act like Dirty Harry.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Rate me late if it's been mentioned, but does anyone else wonder if the troons / transtrenders / incels / whatever might be the human version of the 'Beautiful Ones' from the Calhoun Mouse Utopia Experiments?

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I am not talking about people who have actual dismorphia, but the looney troons.

So my take on this is similar in that it is being orchestrated, but that it's not about overpopulation, well not overpopulation of the general population anyway. It's still eugenics in a way but not as strictly aligned with the 'best of the best' type of thinking.

Bloody hell how do I write this, I have actually started writing it all down, I wanted to do it as an actual post of it's own once I've got all the parts together, anyway...

There is way more to the connections than what I'll put below, the collateral damage, the 'where does it stop' questions, etc.

We all know ideological subversion exists, what if transtrenders are the 'first big test', the absolute total proof that it works? Ideological subversion as Yuri Bezmenov said (obviously not his exact words, I do have the transcripts though), is that even with the facts slapping them in the face like a dead fish, they still won't recognise the truth.

Along with that goes the eugenics part, we all know they are mentally ill, when something becomes an obsession, when it impacts a persons ability to live a normal functional life, when it impacts the other people around them, that is a mental illness (although a lot of people can't see a difference, this is not to be mistaken for a brain disorder where symptoms impact life).

Mentally ill people aren't good for the general community, they destablise it, reek havoc, and cause general unrest. What if by putting the two together, a way was found to rid the general community of the extremes of people that are mentally ill?

Is there a better way than literally chemically castrating, and in addition to that, physically castrating, a human being, to make sure that they can not in any way, pass on their genes?

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

This. I assume the attempt to enforce segregated bathrooms in France failed because some feminists went overboard and started accusing everyone of having a dick. In an environment where no one is being autistically hyper vigilant, it's only the blatant fetishists who would get reported.

It was mostly the TERF movement shooting itself in the foot. It doesn't have the same stigma/illegality as the anglosphere and more sympathizers in Francophone circles, but some of the more visible TERFs act like Titania McGrath and openly organized "hunts" and "lookouts" in bathrooms in Parisian gay districts deliberately trying to catch Trannies out (so no surprise they mostly landed dykes) and ultimately ended up helping them out.

 

[Lord Xenu]

I don't believe there is any way that more laws will help this situation. No law will stop a motivated weirdo. Bathroom laws will just unfairly discriminate against the law-abiding and inoffensive trans people/queers, while the crazy AGP troons couldn't care less about it.

Bathroom laws are not going to stop some lunatic from assaulting and/or molesting you anywhere if that's what they are determined to do. I can't believe that the only thing stopping troons from attacking women in the bathroom is whether the stick figure on the bathroom door is wearing pants or a skirt.

Getting rid of nonsense like self ID along with building codes that require locking single-occupant bathrooms will get these creeps out of your sports and bathrooms. Two simple (and relatively inexpensive) changes basically resolve the major issues with troons.

 

[Plaguemine]

Rate me late if it's been mentioned, but does anyone else wonder if the troons / transtrenders / incels / whatever might be the human version of the 'Beautiful Ones' from the Calhoun Mouse Utopia Experiments?

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I am not talking about people who have actual dismorphia, but the looney troons.

Interesting point but, I dont remember the "beautiful ones" Biting off their nuts and then trying to seduce male rats.
Edit: I also to not remember other rats congratulating the weaker rats either. Normally its fight for space or get out of the way

 

[No Ma'ams Land]

why would anyone want to Displace women? let alone "Dominate" them over something as silly (and unsanitary) as a bathroom?..

A truly devious mind would ponder this: what if transgender mtfs are agents of the patriarchy? Their intent being to insert themselves, ever so gradually and with raucous applause from "woke" social networks, into women's spaces, until women have no other options than to return to the pre-liberation era? Transgenders increasingly flooding women's sports, women's careers, until the percentages place them with majority rule? They're "real" women, after all. Without a viable career, or a viable sport, "cis" women would have no choice but to reclaim the spaces they occupied in the 50s: staying at home, cooking, cleaning, and making children.

But that's silly. Surely.

 

[PBJ Sucks]

The only true conspiracy I would buy has to do with drug manufacturers. I can always believe rich people want to make more money. Nothing deeper than that, on an organized level at least.

On the part of the troons, like mindedness is probably at play, with the realization that they get more if they band together and yell. I honestly doubt they really have a specific desire, except more. More attention, more stuff, more consideration. More freedom to do what they want without social backlash.

It seems reasonable to look at how this works in the context of being men vs women because it is an overwhelming male group of people. This probably explains why women are usually the target, because it's always easier to take things from physically weaker groups who are more likely to back down than to fight. It's not women they are targeting, it's people they are more likely to win against.

Furthermore by successfully convincing or forcing others to see them as a woman, it works better on everybody because they are perceived to lack the physical and social advantages of men (which they never lose, although they screw up their bodies in other ways) and are given the social and legal advantages of being women. Even further by portraying themselves as more disadvantaged subset of women. Being successfully branded a sympathetic victim can have enormous benefits.

It's basically a huge scam. The form it's taken isn't really surprising when you delve into how it is supposed to work.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Only if you are reporting anyone who looks vaguely masculine. I wouldn't even report an actual troon if he just went to pee and washed his hands at the sink like everyone else. But, if I hear someone jacking off in the next stall or someone like Yaniv is asking me about tampons -- I'd like to have the option to call the cops.

Since it's probably illegal for a dude to spank the monkey in the MEN'S room as well, that would most likely fall under your garden variety "indecent exposture" laws, or whatever. I don't think it would matter which bathroom it happens in.


(And there are people out there who look trans that aren't. Ann Coulter, for one. Hell, I wouldn't want to share any space with that hosebeast.)

 

[Spastic Colon]

Since it's probably illegal for a dude to spank the monkey in the MEN'S room as well, that would most likely fall under your garden variety "indecent exposture" laws, or whatever. I don't think it would matter which bathroom it happens in.


(And there are people out there who look trans that aren't. Ann Coulter, for one. Hell, I wouldn't want to share any space with that hosebeast.)

Well, I'm not entirely convinced that Ann Coulter is a true and honest woman. I think she may actually be a real case of intersex (that's my theory anyway) and, if that's the case, if her parents decided to choose her sex for her at a young age, then I'm all for letting her live as a woman because she was raised that way and had no say in the matter. Of course, all speculation on my part with absolutely zero evidence to back up that theory. But, it would explain a lot.

And sure, the masturbation thing is already illegal, but someone like Yaniv going into restrooms and taking selfies that just happen to have young girls in the background or asking a young girl if she has a tampon or pad when he has a menstruation fetish isn't going to be illegal -- but it is creepy as hell. He's tried to groom young girls before and letting someone like that have access to young girls in a bathroom is precisely why I think it should remain illegal for a man to be there. If a perv like Yaniv starts chatting up underage girls, you could have him removed even though technically he isn't breaking any other laws. If trans "women" are allowed to be there, there would be nothing you could do to stop him from hanging out in locker rooms / bathrooms trying to ogle and chat with girls and women. In fact, any dude could self-ID as a woman and gain access to locker rooms just for that reason. And if they aren't doing anything other than looking, what could a woman do about it?

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

It honestly is way past funny and into shitty and sad that women now have to take "male lesbians" seriously. For years that's what guys who were enthusiastic but horribly unskilled at pussy eating would tell women as an enticement to sex.

It was fucking gross then and it's fucking gross now, but we've decided that women (especially lesbians) now have to accept this cheap innuendo as literal reality.

 

[Spastic Colon]

Dr. Emmy Zje........what an incredibly boring person. I cant imagine having to say the same thing again and again to keep my delusion alive. No matter how many times you say something doesn't mean it is true/real/fact. Fucking yawn on ..... Oseroff, Zje, Mosier etc are all so fucking boring and all kinds of dumb.

I am not so sure this doc needs more than just a passing mention as apart from the troon out there is just one dumb and/or deluded fuckwittery twitter post after another. I guess it something to laugh at but it will be the same old jokes to laugh at.

Only in todays society can these people exist and remain in employment and that is not progress or improving the breed. If there were any lifeforms above us in the food chain, looking at humankind and observing what we do, they would be wondering what on earth we are playing at. Regarding this troon thing; anyone who has helped, enabled, supported, employed etc any of these people should be very, very embarrassed and flail themselves with barbed wire.

Troons, non-binaries, plural systems, etc. are all proof that we have a massive mental health problem that we need to address. Enabling and encouraging mental illness (and punishing the sane who try to point it out) is bound to have a disastrous outcome. There really is no other possibility.

 

[Cycleye]

Troons, non-binaries, plural systems, etc. are all proof that we have a massive mental health problem that we need to address. Enabling and encouraging mental illness (and punishing the sane who try to point it out) is bound to have a disastrous outcome. There really is no other possibility.

Yup.....without action; in the future, the other lifeforms i imagined, will be watching women making men pregnant, the men giving birth and then the men and women sharing the breastfeeding. The women will go bald and the men will have the menopause. What a fucking fuck up and one that only humans could make.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

If trannies think biology and genetics don’t define you anymore, what does? The clothes you wear? What you believe in your broken head?

Why does biology and genetics work for 99.99% of the population? Why do they have to suddenly change what science has defined to accommodate crazy people? The rest of the animal kingdom seems to be fine with biology and genetics. I don’t see any tranny chimps or gorillas smearing on lipstick like a clown and walking around in poorly fitting dresses.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Imagine a trans man saying "I know I could bear a child with my uterus but I'm exactly like an infertile man, and I won't be happy until I can get a transplant that lets me shoot my seed into my partner to conceive a biological child like nature intended."

It wouldn't happen. They make the best of it and if they want babies, they use their baby-gestation parts to gestate them. Maybe it causes intense dysphoria to be a pregnant man or whatever, but they think the kids are worth it. When you swap the sexes it becomes clear how maniacal and far-fetched these body transplant ideas really are.

The real truth is that these men want to be pregnant because they sexualize it like they sexualize everything else that belongs to women.

 

[Landsknecht]

It's hilarious.

They're grounding the validity of their identity upon the six weeks they spent as a blob of XX cells.

It doesn't work like that. Barring a chromosomal abnormality, a male is XY from the instant dad's y sperm makes contact with Mom's egg