Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[HTTP Error 404]

Why does shit like this always happen in communist countries, and almost always exclusively communist countries?

Because you have to be really really fucking stupid to believe in Marxism, and any attempt at implementing it invariably leads to the worst kinds of people humanly possible being given power.

 

[Kane Lives]

Why does shit like this always happen in communist countries, and almost always exclusively communist countries?

Take your pick:
- Little incentive to report accurately until it is too late
- Serial incompetence due to rampant corruption
- Ideology over pragmatism
- [This is mostly Asian] Desire to save face

It's quite possible they have been warned about this internally, and chose to ignore it. Not the first time CCP did it, won't be the last.

 

[Tikbalang]

Bleach.

The cheap, runny, own brand kind is fine. It's probably best.

If you don't keep a stock of bleach on hand, it's time to get bleach.

It's coincident that the grocery near me is ran out of bleach.

Look at all those people fleeing Beijing while they can.

Becuase that's what you want to see when you're worried about a pandemic
Mass exodus

If Chinese people hate NBA for saying bad things about their government, at least they should comply to the authorities, trust the great xinnie the pooh

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

Why does shit like this always happen in communist countries, and almost always exclusively communist countries?

it happens in China because of the large rural population, poor sanitary practices, and little industry regulation.

 

[Kane Lives]

Because you have to be really really fucking stupid to believe in Marxism, and any attempt at implementing it invariably leads to the worst kinds of people humanly possible being given power.

To be very fair, the current PRC is as Marxist as Hitler was a Socialist. CCP certainly pays lip service to it, but the average Mainlander don't even know who Karl Marx is, and simply repeats whatever the local CCP official bleats. On the ground, it's more Han Nationalism than anything really communist.

It's easier to think the current CCP as a new imperial dynast in all but name. They only lack the hereditary inheritance, and the pomp of the old emperors.

 

[DefCon Dumb]

This is the worst stage of an outbreak - the time when sick & dead are starting to mount up yet basic information needed to properly deal has yet to be acquired or confirmed. The signal to noise ratio is probably skewed towards the noise & heavily at that. We're going to continue to see unprecedented actions & words from China & other countries but the fact that China's premier has said what he said is concerning. China is not known for coming clean about much.

We don't know the incubation period. We don't know at what stage of an infection a person can pass it on. Can it be passed by someone infected but NOT showing symptoms? We don't even have the symptoms or progression of symptoms pinned down.

I can almost guarantee there are many infected throughout the west - just not sick yet. Over this next week, we'll see it "officially" spread to 20-35 countries. One of the important things to watch for is spread outside China. Benjamin comes home to Essex & his family of four, eventually breaks with symptoms & several of his family members & possibly neighbours do as well. Only then will we start getting a real handle on how this sucker spreads in western societies.

Vaccine - several companies working on them now but don't expect anything to be available for at least a year. Vax has to be developed, tested, tweaked, tested again on larger numbers, then manufactured in bulk. It's hard to ramp that up quickly enough & skipping clinical trials is a poor crap shoot.

 

[Crystal Golem]

Non Official Covers (@23Aryara) | Twitter

The latest Tweets from Non Official Covers (@23Aryara)

twitter.com

Another white supremacist spreading anti-chinese sentiment.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

We don't know the incubation period. We don't know at what stage of an infection a person can pass it on. Can it be passed by someone infected but NOT showing symptoms? We don't even have the symptoms or progression of symptoms pinned down.

From what I understand:

2 weeks.

Transmittable shortly after initial infection

Yes -- and some people don't show symptoms until they drop dead, which means some people's immune systems aren't even kicking in (Or Glorious Chinese Traditional Medicine is being used to suppress fevers outright)

Fever, diarrhea, blood from orifices, shakes, lungs fill with fluid, death

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

Knew this would be impossible to contain, but just coming to terms with how dire.

People with no symptoms could be spreading deadly coronavirus, study warns

As deadly disease reaches Europe, doctors warn isolation and quarantine is essential to stem infection rates

www.independent.co.uk

I also read that in some cases the virus can disrupt immune system. I'm extremely skeptical of the death report China has given. Considering the large discrepancy in reported symptoms, I also wonder how quickly it's mutating.

Research institutes and universities are fucked. So many Chinese researchers and students came home recently from holidays. My colleague is from Beijing and came back a couple weeks ago and I know a ton of universities in the US just started classes a week or two ago. Avoid libraries and be cautious in public transport, wash your hands and don't touch your face in public. Health officials outside of China trying to downplay so there's no panic, but it's important people take this seriously imo. There are way too many unknowns.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

I hope Xi gets corona virus and has a long, miserable death. China numbah won only "worked" because his leadership adopted the traditional chinese belief that human life is worthless and the sacrifice of millions of lives is a necessary step for peace.

Fuck you, poohbear. I hope Corona-chan is not gentle with you. Your leadership has created a biblical plague spreading all over the world and you don't even care about the people who are dying.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

I hope Xi gets corona virus and has a long, miserable death. China numbah won only "worked" because his leadership adopted the traditional chinese belief that human life is worthless and the sacrifice of millions of lives is a necessary step for peace.

Fuck you, poohbear. I hope Corona-chan is not gentle with you. Your leadership has created a biblical plague spreading all over the world and you don't even care about the people who are dying.

probably sees it as a good thing, if it's killing off tons of elderly. china won't be able to support them soon because of the one-child policy.

 

[Unsweet]

From what I understand:

2 weeks.

Transmittable shortly after initial infection

Yes -- and some people don't show symptoms until they drop dead, which means some people's immune systems aren't even kicking in (Or Glorious Chinese Traditional Medicine is being used to suppress fevers outright)

Fever, diarrhea, blood from orifices, shakes, lungs fill with fluid, death

Apparently they give antibiotics away like candy over there. Would over usage compromise the immunity system?

 

[XYZpdq]

if you want to go supertinfoil how's its kill rate for men vs women?

 

[DefCon Dumb]

Haven't made time to look up the "official" stuff, such as is known about incubation, transmission, etc. so appreciate the info. As to people dropping in the streets - hyperbole? It's possible but with the current state of affairs, I'm staying skeptical about a lot of "info" coming out of China; both reassuring or worrisome.

It's pretty clear the western medical establishments are in scramble mode. My area has been operating beyond capacity in terms of hospital beds. It's farcical to listen to politicians/health officials assuring us we have isolation facilities, advanced respiratory support etc. especially when they conveniently neglect to mention that every space in our hospitals is beyond full & storage rooms & offices are being turned into patient care spaces BFORE we even have a whiff of this disease. My city has a major university with a large number of Asians, specifically Chinese in attendance.

Any time now...

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Apparently they give antibiotics away like candy over there. Would over usage compromise the immunity system?

Wouldn't help. Over-use of that shit does the opposite of India's raw sewage baths.

More importantly, giving shit like that out breeds superbugs, because anything that isn't killed by them passess on the "can survive treatment" thing to the next generation.

 

[Johann Bacha Bazi]

Apparently they give antibiotics away like candy over there. Would over usage compromise the immunity system?

Not sure about that, but overuse of antibiotics certainly would lead to the evolution of antibiotic-resistant strains of diseases.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

Thread theme:

 

[Death Grip]

What I don't get, is that looking at the situation reports from the WHO, they are showing really low numbers (in terms of Chinese/world population) of infected people but the response that is going on from China is massive when compared to that.
So is the WHO lying? Taking China at face value? Being massively incompetent?
I have a feeling this is going to be a huge thing. But I could be wrong.

 

[TFT-A9]

Apparently they give antibiotics away like candy over there. Would over usage compromise the immunity system?

Antibiotics don't typically affect viruses anyway from what I understand.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

What I don't get, is that looking at the situation reports from the WHO, they are showing really low numbers (in terms of Chinese/world population) of infected people but the response that is going on from China is massive when compared to that.
So is the WHO lying? Taking China at face value? Being massively incompetent?
I have a feeling this is going to be a huge thing. But I could be wrong.

There's talk that China basically told the WHO to fuck off, and the WHO flinched and said yes sir, CHINA NUMBAH WON