Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Why? Because the medical industry has almost the same power as the military here and they simply say they can't clean the hospitals out and kill it off...because it would cost too much.

How exactly do you clean the hospitals to remove superbugs?

 

[BillyGoat2]

How exactly do you clean the hospitals to remove superbugs?

Chlorine Triflouride.
If that doesnt kill it, nothing will.

Of course you are left with an area Permeated with Aresoled Hydroflouric and Hydrochloric acid among other lovely bits, but its sure to Sterilize everything till its practically atomized.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Unless you kill every bat, bird, ape and pig in the world, get used to viruses jumping to humans. Being hygienic won't stop it either. Sounds good, but won't work.

Every year thousands of viruses on bats, birds, reptiles, apes and pigs make the successful mutation to jump to humans - it's just that the viruses don't get a chance to find a human host so it doesn't become an issue - and the viruses die with the host. Or get cooked well enough and die. But cooking every time wont stop it either, because it could be a bat shit on your car door you wipe aside one day that's the source. Or the bird poop all over your kids soccer ball. It takes one virus, in one bird, and an open field where we play football.

Somewhere in the world right now, there is an avian bird flu virus of lethal capacity sitting on a bird. Perhaps this virus is one out of a billion in that bird and will die withe the bird, or be killed by that birds immune system.

Meanwhile, the greatest bioweapon we should be worried about that killed 50,000 Americans last year and wasn't eradicated is still around today, superbugs, in the largest hospitals of the USA where it is allowed to grow and mutate and quietly grow.

Why? Because the medical industry has almost the same power as the military here and they simply say they can't clean the hospitals out and kill it off...because it would cost too much.

A virus we can build a vaccine for I can live with, but a superbug that is almost impossible to kill once it gains a human host, sitting on the bed you get your minor surgery on? That's a nightmare. Since 2019-nCoV started on 1 Jan, 4,000 Americans were killed in our own hospitals by bacteria and viruses that were Made In America.

Well, it's simpler than that.

The Common Cold is a Corona Virus. There doesn't need to be a lot of mystery around the term, there are pathogens and they are all around us.

No one is going to kill all Corona Viruses. It's probably not a good idea to even try, we don't know what the secondary effects would be. They're part of the world's ecosystem and removing them could have broad consequences that go beyond human morality.

Nature is an unyielding beast of immense proportions come to kill you. Life has always been an endless struggle to develop coping mechanisms and survival strategies. A lot of the work of survival has been outsourced to institutions but in no way does that change the basic equation.

What's different about our modern world is we are developing the capacity to kill Nature. I don't mean global warming, I mean wiping out pathogens / viruses / harmful bacteria altogether - that's something within our reach over the next 100 years. Call me crazy, but I think that's a bad thing. Not that I want to die of plague, but that it's a huge change to everything that's ever happened before. It should be attempted very cautiously, and the people who would be doing it are very eager and enthusiastic because numbers.

More importantly, if not for the Beast that is nature, what else is there to being Human? A lot of people talk about Terror Syndrome, most of it starts with Nature wanting you dead. WuFlu may be our century's Jessie James.

 

[AltisticRight]

Here's a translation of the ingredients featured in this weird bottle I've posted earlier.
@afternoon_tea Here ya go.
Moomins ftw!

Top text says TCM doctor's scamming is faster than the spread of the virus itself.
Drink this thing 1-2 times a day, 20ml a time.
Targeted at healthy individuals, can prevent the virus.

黃芪: Astragalus propinquus

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太子參: Pseudostellaria heterophylla

Pseudostellaria heterophylla - Wikipedia

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白朮 Atractylodes macrocephala

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柴胡: Bupleuri Radix

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藿香: Agastache rugosa

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防風: Saposhnikovia divaricata

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紫菀: Aster tataricus

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麥冬: Ophiopogon japonicus

Ophiopogon japonicus - Wikipedia

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金銀花: Lonicera japonica

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板藍根: (roots of) Isatis tinctoria

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黃芩: Scutellaria baicalensis

Scutellaria baicalensis - Wikipedia

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甘草: Glycyrrhiza uralensis

Glycyrrhiza uralensis - Wikipedia

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Look at this browser spellcheck. I can't read most of these weird herbs unless I actually try.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Chlorine Triflouride.
If that doesnt kill it, nothing will.

Of course you are left with an area Permeated with Aresoled Hydroflouric and Hydrochloric acid among other lovely bits, but its sure to Sterilize everything till its practically atomized.

I'd throw a guess that it is simply infeasible since you'll deprive communities for an hospital for several weeks until the process is done. I'm also not sure nothing will come out between the times the hospitals are sanitized.

 

[MrRavellon]

The reason this is not a nothing burger is the rate of infection (which seems comparable to flu) and the fact its mortality is significant. If this shit becomes a pandemic this will be worse than Spanish Flu. Significantly worse.

It does not matter how many people get infected with other diseases and die from them if those diseases are already endemic world wide, like regular flu is. Roughly the same number of people get sick and die from them every year, the system has adapted to it and is not overly strained by it. But add another disease, pile on some millions of infected and resources grow scarce and people start dying even from what would pose no danger otherwise.

It's like with water flow. If you have 1 L/s inflow and 1L/s outflow you have a stable water level. But if you double the inflow without doubling the outflow you have a flood.
As long as the spread of WuFlu is slow enough for medical services to handle the infected the consequences will be minor. But if they get overwhelmed everything will start crumbling, even things we take for granted. You may not die now from a severe case of flu because you'll get the required attention in the hospit=al, but if said hospital is already filled to the brim, you just might.


As for West Africa Ebola outbreak, stopping it was just pure luck. A lucky mutation that did not kill people inoculated the populace against the deadly strain. If it was an unlucky mutation that made it airborne then we would've had Ebola pandemic instead.
It's kinda dumb to expect another lucky break to happen. It may happen or it may not, no way to know.

So just do your duty and decrease your chances of being infected by taking care of your personal hygiene. Shouldn't be too hard. We just need to slow it down as much as possible for a year and a half or so, for the vaccine to get deployed.

 

[Wallace]

Some bloody Danes managed to upset China with a satirical drawing https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...blic-apology-from-denmark-s-largest-newspaper
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So you're saying this image is ... going viral?



I regret nothing.

 

[BillyGoat2]

I'd throw a guess that it is simply infeasible since you'll deprive communities for an hospital for several weeks until the process is done. I'm also not sure nothing will come out between the times the hospitals are sanitized.

well, after the explosive Florine fire and chemical weapons grade cloud of toxic gas is done, The majority of the community will also be sterilized.

 

[Vince McMahon]

How exactly do you clean the hospitals to remove superbugs?

IIRC, with confirmed MRSA cases they now strip even the carpeting from the room where the patient was in and bathe it in enough UV to have a Nagasaki tan.

 

[Niggaplease]

The reason this is not a nothing burger is the rate of infection (which seems comparable to flu) and the fact its mortality is significant. If this shit becomes a pandemic this will be worse than Spanish Flu. Significantly worse.

It does not matter how many people get infected with other diseases and die from them if those diseases are already endemic world wide, like regular flu is. Roughly the same number of people get sick and die from them every year, the system has adapted to it and is not overly strained by it. But add another disease, pile on some millions of infected and resources grow scarce and people start dying even from what would pose no danger otherwise.

It's like with water flow. If you have 1 L/s inflow and 1L/s outflow you have a stable water level. But if you double the inflow without doubling the outflow you have a flood.
As long as the spread of WuFlu is slow enough for medical services to handle the infected the consequences will be minor. But if they get overwhelmed everything will start crumbling, even things we take for granted. You may not die now from a severe case of flu because you'll get the required attention in the hospit=al, but if said hospital is already filled to the brim, you just might.


As for West Africa Ebola outbreak, stopping it was just pure luck. A lucky mutation that did not kill people inoculated the populace against the deadly strain. If it was an unlucky mutation that made it airborne then we would've had Ebola pandemic instead.
It's kinda dumb to expect another lucky break to happen. It may happen or it may not, no way to know.

So just do your duty and decrease your chances of being infected by taking care of your personal hygiene. Shouldn't be too hard. We just need to slow it down as much as possible for a year and a half or so, for the vaccine to get deployed.

If in the event Ebola chan makes an appearance and she becomes airborn. Bullet to brain. Death by Ebola is a gruesome way. Seppuku is best. But at this rate corona chan I don't think she's stopping any time soon.

 

[AltisticRight]

They let 6 million Typhoid Moo Goo Gai Pans flee!?

Jesus fuck.



Youngest was a 9 month old I heard?

I made a fatal error in the post.
It's 14 million people, 9 million remaining, which means 5 million ran away. NOT 500 MILLION.
Youngest was 9 months old, but the child is infected, not dead. Youngest death is now 22 years old, which still is an outlier since most deaths are well above 50.
A friend said this helps the ageing population. Pretty fucked up thing to say but he's not wrong and I've said worse stuff about both China and other nations.

This clusterfuck of a virus basically showed how utterly incomponent the politicians of Hubei are. Shanghai, Zhejiang, and Hebei handled the virus responsively while Wuhan basically let loads of people escape, they gave them almost a day to run out and infect other areas. The politicians who oversees the health department are individuals within the profession, such as the guy in Hebei holding a immunology PhD. Wuhan's was some hack that likely has close party connections.

It is only a matter of time before other places get hit though. Wuhan is a very large and developing blue collar worker's city. Places like Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Suzhou would be more of the white collar types, with a little more attention to health and well-being. Not discriminating against workers, they are fundamental to any society... but they also typically get worked up and forget to protect themselves.

Another factor that contributes to the 5 million would be people who left before the outbreak to see family, as Wuhan is a worker's city full of people who aren't locals, and of course it's CNY so family travel. This is why many pet owners are heartbroken. They can't get back how to feed their pets. I'd estimate up to 3 million left the city in the small gap after the virus happened, and 2 million left earlier. There's definitely queuing theories that can be used to provide a far better estimation, I simply doubt Wuhan's capacity to allow a flow of 5 million in the tiny span of almost a day.

I know someone who's being quarantined. He was in a really rural area doing an assignment as the virus started to spread. He is from Wuhan and doesn't eat fucked up stuff, been a week and no symptoms as of now. His profession does make him handle animals, many which are exotic, such as protected avian. Nature lover, not someone that would go around eating the poor bastards.

He described some patients acting very loud and abusive towards medical staff, and of course voiced his own grievances through chat "I'm so fucking bored, this is killing me, I want to do not this". Poor feller, hope he's alright.

I'd also like to respond to a very common theme throughout the thread. The superbug killing many thousands and how virus outbreaks like this is only a matter of chance.
I agree that both are of major concern, however I simply cannot buy the last argument.
Sure it's possible for a virus to born through contacting bat shit or other weird animals. What are the chances? The west houses lots of wild animals living with humans. Each night I hear fruit bats returning home in very large groups.

From time to time, a bat will hang from electric lines because the poor thing got zapped. This isn't the case in metropolitan China. At most, we'd see pigeons and sparrows. So by inference, the chance of some westerner contacting bats should be a lot higher than in China. Where's the virus though? I think the chances of creating some fucked up virus is way higher if one consumes dirty animals, rather than just touching its shit. We all know how bad the hygiene is in China, pozzing negholes isn't as bad as eating it. I'm sure some of those bats weren't cleaned adequately, people would literally consume their shit. I've seen the whole animal being cooked without cleaning its guts out etc, that's just disgusting.

 

[Superman93]

Youngest was 9 months old, but the child is infected, not dead. Youngest death is now 22 years old, which still is an outlier since most deaths are well above 50.

A virus that specifically kills boomers? Phew, I thought this was an actual threat.

 

[Niggaplease]

I made a fatal error in the post.
It's 14 million people, 9 million remaining, which means 5 million ran away. NOT 500 MILLION.
Youngest was 9 months old, but the child is infected, not dead. Youngest death is now 22 years old, which still is an outlier since most deaths are well above 50.
A friend said this helps the ageing population. Pretty fucked up thing to say but he's not wrong and I've said worse stuff about both China and other nations.

This clusterfuck of a virus basically showed how utterly incomponent the politicians of Hubei are. Shanghai, Zhejiang, and Hebei handled the virus responsively while Wuhan basically let loads of people escape, they gave them almost a day to run out and infect other areas. The politicians who oversees the health department are individuals within the profession, such as the guy in Hebei holding a immunology PhD. Wuhan's was some hack that likely has close party connections.

It is only a matter of time before other places get hit though. Wuhan is a very large and developing blue collar worker's city. Places like Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Suzhou would be more of the white collar types, with a little more attention to health and well-being. Not discriminating against workers, they are fundamental to any society... but they also typically get worked up and forget to protect themselves.

Another factor that contributes to the 5 million would be people who left before the outbreak to see family, as Wuhan is a worker's city full of people who aren't locals, and of course it's CNY so family travel. This is why many pet owners are heartbroken. They can't get back how to feed their pets. I'd estimate up to 3 million left the city in the small gap after the virus happened, and 2 million left earlier. There's definitely queuing theories that can be used to provide a far better estimation, I simply doubt Wuhan's capacity to allow a flow of 5 million in the tiny span of almost a day.

Oh goody it's pandemic 2 all over again..

 

[Marigold_Souci]

It's a shit time to be an Asian in a major North American city right now Not even fucking Chinese and the stares are coming. Hopefully it'll keep everyone the fuck away on the train at least, especially hoping my fashionable p100 mask, gloves ,and goggles combo will prompt commuters to give me a wide berth. My partner is young and healthy but immunocompromised thanks to a monthly immunosuppressant he has to take so I'm not taking any chances.
Fucking China.

 

[Spoonge]

Watching Corona-chan take her first steps into lethality is like watching your kid learn to walk. I'm so proud of you baby girl.

Now kill us all.

 

[Toolbox]

IIRC, with confirmed MRSA cases they now strip even the carpeting from the room where the patient was in and bathe it in enough UV to have a Nagasaki tan.

It seems some hospitals have been ramping up on using these bad boys for a few years now.

UV Robots Zap Hospital Germs - Mayo Clinic

About 1 in 10 patients will contract an infection while hospitalized in the United States. Mayo Clinic has been testing a high-tech solution, ultraviolet dis...

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No clue on how widespread these are by now, though, and they seem to add enough time to the disinfection process to be a hinderance to hospital operation.

 

[FlightOfTheBumbleBee]

If the virus was released intentionally then maybe it is an experiment by the Chinese in cooperation with people like Bill Gates to see what happens when a very contagious but only mildly deadly virus spreads everywhere. How do the governments of the world respond? This is a good opportunity to gather valuable data.

 

[Coleslaw]

A lucky mutation that did not kill people inoculated the populace against the deadly strain. If it was an unlucky mutation that made it airborne then we would've had Ebola pandemic instead.

Spanish Flu had a first strain that inoculated the population of most of North America and Europe from an even more lethal second strain.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

It's a shit time to be an Asian in a major North American city right now Not even fucking Chinese and the stares are coming. Hopefully it'll keep everyone the fuck away on the train at least, especially hoping my fashionable p100 mask, gloves ,and goggles combo will prompt commuters to give me a wide berth. My partner is young and healthy but immunocompromised thanks to a monthly immunosuppressant he has to take so I'm not taking any chances.
Fucking China.

Jesus Christ would you quit your bitching?

China releases bioweapon and Asian Americans feel slighted over sideways glances.

Let me know when the streets are lined with Asians hanging from nooses, I will be there to punish the wicked. Otherwise, just suck on your soy latte and STFU.

 

[HonsPonzud]

Everything was fun and lol until i caught the sniffles !

I guess i will not play cyberpunk 2077, Doom Eternal and the FF7 remake (You've got the priorities, son, FF7 was allways overrated anyways.)

I hope part of my german and north european genes will not let me down ad allow me to use X for Doubt when Death comes !

Press "F" for me.