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This is probably something you've thought of already, but let me suggest a different rhetorical strategy that might work where people are unresponsive to reasonable discussion about preparedness.

The government of the Chinese nation is taking this seriously. It is quarantining tens of millions, and long-distance travel is being severely discouraged. This will severely impact their economy, and the Chinaman cares very much about prosperity.

Other countries are not taking this seriously and quarantining Chinese travellers. Unfortunately, some nations are beholden to Chinese support thanks to various reasons, but the likes of the US and Europe have no excuse.

Given that your country is almost certainly not taking this seriously, it is not unreasonable to think that something very bad may occur. It isn't that unreasonable to make sure that one is prepared for an entirely predictable disaster. If not this, then earthquakes, fires, hurricanes. For a problem like this to occur is certain, and one should be ready to look after one's own family and preferably the wider community should it occur.


Well, make sure to cycle them out and replace them once this blows over. This event is nothing that could not occur on your doorstep tomorrow.
It sounds odd to say, but I suspect they're appearing to not take it seriously precisely because of its seriousness. The world economy depends on China. US stocks took a fucking hammering a few days ago and French companies are being hit hard too. CDC said they're making careful decisions about who to test. The UK has Brexit coming up to contend with, so it's not surprising at all to me that they conveniently have zero reported cases. Perhaps they're doing more behind the scenes, idk, but it's criminal to try and downplay and ignore this shit imo. That's when you know it's bad.


"Americans evacuated from Wuhan will remain at U.S. air base for 3 days"
The Americans arriving from Wuhan just left today. Brilliant.
 
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Wu-han killer bees on a swarm
Rain on ya dollar's ass, disco dorm
For you to even touch my skill
You gotta have the one killer bee and he ain't gonna kill now

Ooh baby I like it raw.....

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In other news, fuck the stats for today. Never trust a Chinaman.
Sneaky little shits.
 
It sounds odd to say, but I suspect they're appearing to not take it seriously precisely because of its seriousness. The world economy depends on China. US stocks took a fucking hammering a few days ago and French companies are being hit hard too. CDC said they're making careful decisions about who to test. The UK has Brexit coming up to contend with, so it's not surprising at all to me that they conveniently have zero reported cases. Perhaps they're doing more behind the scenes, idk, but it's criminal to try and downplay and ignore this shit imo. That's when you know it's bad.
Nah, obviously Boris means to let the virus run wild through the UK, let it kill of the SNP, Labour, Liberal Democrats and Greens, proclaim the eternal Mandate of Bojo and re-conquer the British Empire, heralding a thousand years of world dominance atop the smouldering ruins of the old order.
 
The UK has Brexit coming up to contend with, so it's not surprising at all to me that they conveniently have zero reported cases. Perhaps they're doing more behind the scenes, idk, but it's criminal to try and downplay and ignore this shit imo. That's when you know it's bad.

Again, Memery aside, the NHS can be fucking fantastic when it wants to be. They've even issued advice down to the GP level which is "if you suspect them of having Corona, leave them in the room and call back into the office to tell them" while other procedures are put in place, including removing other waiting patients from the route for them to reach the toilets for thorough handwashing.

We've also been fighting superbugs for a while and can do so on a more "national resources" level, so disinfecting entire bays and surgical rooms is now a common part of the process in NHS run facilities across the land, with bays picked during different days of the week for a weekly deep clean, and surgical bays getting a deep clean every time post surgery.

Thanks to our own fuckups, we've been able to counter similar fuckups from less civilised bits of the world.
 
Interesting article about the Chinese scientists who were tossed from the Canadian lab. Espionage much?



China and Viruses: The Case of Dr. Xiangguo Qiu
By Lt. Col. (res.) Dr. Dany ShohamJanuary 29, 2020

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Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, photo via Twitter feed of Public Policy Forum


BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 1,429, January 29, 2020

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: In July 2019, a rare event occurred in Canada. Suspected of espionage for China, a group of Chinese virologists was forcibly evicted from the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg, where they had been running parts of the Special Pathogen Program of Canada’s public health agency. One of the procedures conducted by the team was the infection of monkeys with the most lethal viruses found on Earth. Four months prior to the Chinese team’s eviction, a shipment containing two exceptionally virulent viruses—Ebola and Nipah—was sent from the NML to China. When the shipment was traced, it was held to be improper and a “possible policy breach.”

The scope of the 2019 incident involving the discovery of a possibly serious security breach at Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg is much broader than the group of Chinese virologists who were summarily evicted from the lab. The main culprit behind the breach seems to have been Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, an outstanding Chinese scientist born in Tianjin.

Until recently the head of the Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies section of the Special Pathogens Program, Qiu received her MD degree from Hebei Medical University in China in 1985 and came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. She was later affiliated with the Institute of Cell Biology and the Department of Pediatrics and Child Health at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg. She was not engaged in the study of pathogens while at that institute.

But a shift took place in Qiu’s research work. Ever since 2006, she has been studying powerful viruses—Ebola most of all—at the NML. Both of the viruses that were surreptitiously shipped from the NML to China were studied by Qiu in 2014 (as well as other viruses, including Machupo, Junin, Rift Valley Fever, Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever, and Hendra). But she paid greatest attention to Ebola for the entirely legitimate aim of developing effective prophylaxis and treatment for the infected.

Inevitably, Qiu’s work included a variety of Ebola wild strains—among them the most virulent, which has an 80% lethality rate—and relied heavily on experimental infection of monkeys, including via the airways. She made remarkable strides, and was granted the Governor General’s Innovation Award in 2018.

So far so good—or so it seems.

Qiu is married to Chinese scientist Keding Cheng, a bacteriologist who shifted to virology and who is also affiliated with the NML. Qiu maintains a close bond with China and visits frequently, and many Chinese students from a notable range of Chinese scientific facilities have joined her at the NML over the past decade.

Of those facilities, four are believed to be involved in Chinese biological weapons development. They are:

  • Institute of Military Veterinary, Academy of Military Medical Sciences, Changchun
  • Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Chengdu Military Region
  • Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Hubei
  • Institute of Microbiology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing
All four facilities collaborated with Qiu on her Ebola research. The Institute of Military Veterinary also joined a study on the Rift Valley fever virus, while the Institute of Microbiology joined a study on the Marburg virus. Notably, the drug used in the latter study—Favipiravir—has been successfully tested by the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences against Ebola and other viruses. (The drug has the designation JK-05; it is originally a Japanese patent registered in China in 2006.)

The Chinese interest in Ebola, Nipah, Marburg, and Rift Valley fever might possibly be beyond scientific and medical needs. Significantly, only the Nipah virus is naturally found in China or neighboring countries. That being the case, the interface between Qiu and China is a priori highly suspicious.

The shipment of the two viruses from NML to China is alarming unto itself, but it also raises the question of what other shipments of viruses or other items might have been made to China between 2006 and 2018.

Qiu made at least five trips over the academic year 2017-18 alone to the above-mentioned Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, which was certified for BSL4 in January 2017. In August 2017, the National Health Commission of China approved research activities involving the Ebola, Nipah, and Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever viruses at the Wuhan facility, and in March 2019, the Chinese published their tour de force.

When the shipment from Canada was uncovered, security access was revoked for Qiu, her husband, and the Chinese students. IT specialists entered Qiu’s office after hours to gain access to her computer, and her regular trips to China were halted.

Jens Stoltenberg, the secretary-general of NATO, said at a news conference that he can’t comment on the case, but appeared to suggest the possibility of espionage. “What I can say in general is that we have seen increased efforts by the nations to spy on NATO allies in different ways,” he said.

Qiu’s research has not only been conducted on behalf of Canada and China. In 2018, she collaborated with three scientists from the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Maryland, studying post-exposure immunotherapy for two Ebola viruses and Marburg virus in monkeys. Those activities were part of a study supported by the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

The multiplicity of Chinese grants, all on the national level, supporting the work done under Qiu’s lead at the NML is impressive:

  • National Key Program for Infectious Disease of China
  • National Key Research and Development Program of China
  • National Natural Science Foundation of China International Cooperation and Exchange Program
  • Special Foundation of President for Ebola virus research from the Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • President’s International Fellowship Initiative from the Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • China National Key Subject of Drug Innovation
  • Youth Innovation Promotion Association of the Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • National Natural Science Foundation Award, Ministry of Science and Technology
  • National Science and Technology Major Projects
  • Beijing Advanced Innovation Center for Structure Biology
  • Major Program of the National Natural Science Foundation of China
It is still possible that Qiu and her husband will return to work at the NML, but a good deal of intelligence analysis and assessment will be required. The Canadian Security Intelligence Service has a serious challenge on its hands.

(JS-The Canadians would have to be world-class fools to let those people even NEAR the NML!)

 
Well, make sure to cycle them out and replace them once this blows over. This event is nothing that could not occur on your doorstep tomorrow.
i really hope this ends up being a nothingburger, i would love to look back and laugh at my self for being so stupid and paranoid but until then i'm leaning towards being too prepared rather than unprepared
 
Again, Memery aside, the NHS can be fucking fantastic when it wants to be. They've even issued advice down to the GP level which is "if you suspect them of having Corona, leave them in the room and call back into the office to tell them" while other procedures are put in place, including removing other waiting patients from the route for them to reach the toilets for thorough handwashing.

We've also been fighting superbugs for a while and can do so on a more "national resources" level, so disinfecting entire bays and surgical rooms is now a common part of the process in NHS run facilities across the land, with bays picked during different days of the week for a weekly deep clean, and surgical bays getting a deep clean every time post surgery.

Thanks to our own fuckups, we've been able to counter similar fuckups from less civilised bits of the world.
didn't you guys somehow lose track of like 2000 Wuhan travelers a few days ago?
 
Numbers are starting to roll in, keep in mind the above is just hubei

The only thing I'm worried about is the Azur Lanes servers.

The only thing that really concerns me is that PC case that is a clone of the new mac pro. Fucking indiegogo shit was supposed to ship just before CNY, but then oopsies they had to delay till after the holiday. Now it will probably ship in June, assume there are enough china men left to stuff the damn thing into a box.
 
You see, I'd be less likely to believe the bio-weapon theory if it was literally any other country (aside from North Korea, and possibly Russia) besides China.

Think about it. 6,000 people is literally nothing to them, so why did they start quarantining cities, censoring information on it, shutting down theaters, tourist destinations, blocking off roads, building new hospitals, and sending in the tanks at less than half that? Another thing to remember is that they did all this during the Lunar New Year, which is one of their biggest holidays, if not the biggest holiday, and how utterly catastrophic this is to their profits. It just doesn't make sense for them to be acting like this.

Again, and I can't stress this enough, this is China were talking about. The country that's current population exceeds a billion, and is little more than a bigger, less totalitarian version of North Korea. They don't give a shit about their population, let alone 6,000 of them. That's not even a drop in the bucket for them. That's literally less than one percent of it. This country starved twenty million of them during the Great Leap Forward, and you wanna tell me they started losing their shit about this at just 2,000 cases?

No. I'm sorry. I don't buy it. If it was any other country that actually gave more than a shit about its citizens then China does, then yeah, I might believe this kind of reaction would happen. But since it is China I don't.

The only things I can think of that would get this kind of over-the-top, SHUT. IT. DOWN. freak out of them is either:

A) This is a bio-weapon that accidentally got released, and China is scrambling to cover up the fact that they might've just unleashed the new super AIDS upon the world.

B) It's not a bio-weapon, but it is killing way more than what China is admitting to, and this is why their losing their absolute insect minds over it.

C) It is a bio-weapon, and it is killing way more than what we're being told. More info on the outside cases might help, but for some reason there's been a lot of radio silence on that.

tl:dr; China, the country who's population exceeds a billion, and who starved to death literally tens of millions, would not be losing their shit over numbers this small, and at this time of year unless there's something really important they're not telling us.
 
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didn't you guys somehow lose track of like 2000 Wuhan travelers a few days ago?

I already covered that, stop clogging up the thread with endless repetition.

How many chink tourists do you think are in Burgerland right now? It was 2.9 million in 2018 to the USA, and 700,000 to Canada. The UK has 391,000 chink tourists a year, usually on tours in relatively known areas, but just like every fucking country that isn't North fucking Korea guess what? They won't know where the fuck they all are either.
 
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