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You just KNOW they viewed themselves as the plucky protagonist trying to escape from the evil military, just like in all the movies!

Fuck it, burn plague rats with a flamethrower.

"I'm from the government, I'm not here to help."
Just shows you how dumb people are. Like the government is going to publicly fly you back here just to kill you or make you disappear... I really want to imagine it’s that crazy bitch from Wuhan who somehow got a ticket then went hysterical she wouldn’t be able to go home for a whole 72 hours. https://imgur.com/gallery/vkqp828
 
I wonder if asians are more susceptible to this. Seeing the rate of infection within China and having so little outside of asian countries happening is kinda weird. The infected people in france (who are doing worse) are asian and the german people in Berlin (who are genuinely european) don't seem to have any problems at all. The man who was infected first in germany had flu-like sympthoms last weekend (nothing earth-shattering, he went to work on Monday) but according to German news recovered since then and is doing fine now. I won't even pretend to be a disease specialist to know if this is possible but it is interesting.
 
It takes up to two weeks to get the wu flu symptons. 2 days it can stay alive on surfaces. While we could feasibly handle oh you know a minor outbreak, the chance of damage is where demand out ranks supply. While if you catch the wu flu and it just has cold symptoms instead of pneumonia more than likely self care and rest and fluids you'll get better. But even regular pneumonia can kill if left unchecked. When I got bacterial pneumonia I required actual hospitilization and to have fluids pumped into me 24/7 as well antibiotics, I almost died before I was hospitalized. Besides some small condition I was very young and healthy as a horse. Viral pneumonia underneath normal circumstances has no cure other than supportive care until it has run its course. That can cause even further complications, and truthfully it's worse. As the only cure is keeping you alive long enough so the infection runs it's course. Well yes in most western countries it'll probably be a blip in the radar, your overlooking cost and labor law in the USA. Cost of medical services even with insurance is astronomical, and even if that wasn t an issue; you may run the risk of losing your job. So being said, most who'll suffer complications will wait until they're almost dead, with the USA being most a serviced based economy that makes acquiring new vectors easy. If in the event everyone gets pneumonia or at least a good percent it can be easy to overrun even the best amount of medical services, as doctor s are hesitant to let viral pneumonia run its course with out supportive care and monitoring. Because again while viral pneumonia has no cure, supportive care is a critical factor in buying time for the patient to recover. Thus resulting in more hospitalizations. but that's if every one who gets decides early on to go to a doctor; by then one or two things happen, people get sick and either get better or die on their own. Or people get sick and die waiting to be treated a la what's going on in wuhan.

To be fair a prolonged hospital stay for pneumonia would likely fall under FMLA or short-term disability at most work places. You can't really tell employees to get fucked anymore for being sick.

I'm more worried about demand overstretching supply. If the virus is relatively contained and doesn't spread through the west readily, then fucking who cares, we'll be fine. If you are unlucky to have it, you'll have a bed at a hospital and a medical team to see you through it. People complain about medical debt, but it doesn't have as much of a black mark as you might think.

But if there's twenty thousand ill in your county and only four hundred beds, well fuck, you've got problems.
 
To be fair a prolonged hospital stay for pneumonia would likely fall under FMLA or short-term disability at most work places. You can't really tell employees to get fucked anymore for being sick.

I'm more worried about demand overstretching supply. If the virus is relatively contained and doesn't spread through the west readily, then fucking who cares, we'll be fine. If you are unlucky to have it, you'll have a bed at a hospital and a medical team to see you through it. People complain about medical debt, but it doesn't have as much of a black mark as you might think.

But if there's twenty thousand ill in your county and only four hundred beds, well fuck, you've got problems.
Glad I took a healthcare plan assuming I wouldn’t be hospitalized then, because in this case I’ll either be solvent or dead.
 
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I wonder if asians are more susceptible to this. Seeing the rate of infection within China and having so little outside of asian countries happening is kinda weird. The infected people in france (who are doing worse) are asian and the german people in Berlin (who are genuinely european) don't seem to have any problems at all. The man who was infected first in germany had flu-like sympthoms last weekend (nothing earth-shattering, he went to work on Monday) but according to German news recovered since then and is doing fine now. I won't even pretend to be a disease specialist to know if this is possible but it is interesting.

Man, I hope not and it’s just because of fucked lungs and preexisting conditions.
 
I wonder if asians are more susceptible to this. Seeing the rate of infection within China and having so little outside of asian countries happening is kinda weird. The infected people in france (who are doing worse) are asian and the german people in Berlin (who are genuinely european) don't seem to have any problems at all. The man who was infected first in germany had flu-like sympthoms last weekend (nothing earth-shattering, he went to work on Monday) but according to German news recovered since then and is doing fine now. I won't even pretend to be a disease specialist to know if this is possible but it is interesting.
I explained it two pages back so check my profile for info (dunno how to link am on mobile) tl;dr it's lifestyle/infrastructure/etc based, not innate just basic epidemiology.
 
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From a really cold standpoint, much like how american economy thrived in ww1 and ww2 due to leeching off of europe's disastrous situation, if china and india were to go full pandemic due to this disease, it would probably benefit the west economically, a lot, specially due to all the capital they're currently leeching off of the west precisely due to their high pool of manpower and how cheap they are willing to sell it.

To put it historically, the black plague was in the long run a great thing for europe. I know it sounds awful to say that, but it practically toppled feudalism, because abusing the lower classes became much harder when they weren't replaceable, starting the trend of liberalism that would define napoleonic times. It also toppled catholic academic supremacy, with plague doctors effectively being the first return to empiricism since the rise of this religion, because people were forced to adapt and forget prior dogma if it didn't work. In both cases this took time to have a noticeable effect, but, without the plague, it wouldn't have been possible for hundreds of years later.

The chinese and indian political systems are awful for the same reason feudalism was, because so long as a system has enough manpower to be able to abuse the population, it needs a reason not to. So in a way, this plague could change that. But... you know. This does assume the death of literal millions of people, in horrifying conditions, so I'm fairly sure it's not something most would want, I certainly wouldn't like it. But yeah, for the west, it would be an economic boon so long as they hold their fronteers, and since Merkel won't do that, america would benefit greatly from it.

If the glow in the darks were smart, they'd be planning out how to introduce rice pests into China right now. Chilo partellus, tagosodes orizicolus, Eoreuma loftini... the list could go on.....

Or just make sure the Fall Armyworms have a good year of the rat.
 
Man, I hope not and it’s just because of fucked lungs and preexisting conditions.
People of European ancestry have a "plague gene" that confers immunity from some diseases (and I remember reading some prostitutes in Africa had a similar gene that made their AIDS infection never progress) if I remember correctly so it could be that. Since we're all mutts it doesn't seem to be universal so you're probably right about the environmental factor making it worse for mainland Chinese.

Stay away from TCM or homeopathic woo medicines because there are no standards or QA for those. Years ago I read a report by someone who bought a ton of popular medicines from Chinatown in lower Manhattan and had them tested, most of them were fake or had dangerous levels of adulterants in them (like lead and arsenic). A baby teething medicine even had morphine in it.
 
People of European ancestry have a "plague gene" that confers immunity from some diseases (and I remember reading some prostitutes in Africa had a similar gene that made their AIDS infection never progress) if I remember correctly so it could be that. Since we're all mutts it doesn't seem to be universal so you're probably right about the environmental factor making it worse for mainland Chinese.

Stay away from TCM or homeopathic woo medicines because there are no standards or QA for those. Years ago I read a report by someone who bought a ton of popular medicines from Chinatown in lower Manhattan and had them tested, most of them were fake or had dangerous levels of adulterants in them (like lead and arsenic). A baby teething medicine even had morphine in it.
It's only about 10% of Europeans, mostly concentrated in Scandinavia and Russia.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-03/uol-bdw031005.php
 
So why is this important... Well. This is what turned the black death from a frankly not that awful virus that wouldn't have caused too much impact into a horror of unprecedented proportions, europe was filthy, overcrowded, malnourished and lacked the knowledge to combat it, the west has learned a lot since, and implemented it. China? China literally fills all the boxes, and most of their population filles at least 2 of the boxes from the prior list, it basically is one hypermassive risk group. And THIS is why they're scared shitless of this virus. It won't do much in the west, but it can and if left alone will tear china a new asshole.


akchyualy the black death was a bacteria but that tism aside, I agree with you.
That makes the black death even less scary since it can by magic'd away by the nice doctor with the special pills.
 
Bought atleast a months worth of food, propane tank, some alkie on sale vodka mostly, personal hygiene stuff etc. Am I overreacting? I mean if corona chan flops atleast I'll have enough stock to endure another hurricane season. I'm oveestocked on ppe.
It’s never a bad thing to have extra booze and toilet paper, and food for disasters.
 
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Sorry that I keep injecting politics into an otherwise apolitical thread, but these fucking hot takes keep making me laugh so hard that I see stars. Holy shit CNN who the fuck cares?
"The cure for breast Cancer has been discov-- IS THAT A FUCKING WHITE MALE DOCTOR!? Throw it all out!"
 
Lot of international action going on. People finally waking up.


Europe evacuates citizens from China, Russia shuts border
Barry Hatton, Associated Press
Updated 2:44 pm PST, Thursday, January 30, 2020



LISBON, Portugal (AP) — European countries stepped up efforts Thursday to contain the virus sweeping through central China, sending a chartered airliner there to evacuate hundreds of European citizens, scrapping more commercial flights to Chinese destinations and keeping some 7,000 people on a cruise ship while one possibly infected passenger got tested.

Signaling intensifying international concern, the World Health Organization in Geneva declared the viral outbreak that has sickened more than 7,800 people and caused 170 deaths in China as a global emergency, while Russia closed its long border with the Asian giant.

Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin issued a decree ordering the temporary closure of the border, which extends for 4,200 kilometers (2,600 miles). In addition, all train traffic between Russia and China was halted except for one train connecting Moscow and Beijing.


A passenger airliner enlisted for the evacuation took off Thursday morning from a former Portuguese military airport southeast of Lisbon carrying only the pilots and crew.

Capt. Antonios Efthymiou said the flight would stop in Paris to pick up a team of doctors and extra crew members before heading to Hanoi and then China. Efthymiou told Portuguese media it would bring back about 350 Europeans. He said the crew would take special medical precautions but did not elaborate.

Britain said its delayed repatriation flight for 200 U.K. citizens in Wuhan would leave ther Friday, with the returning Britons quarantined for 14 days upon arrival. The U.K.-government chartered plane had been due to return earlier but it was delayed because permissions form the Chinese government had not come through.

China so far has reported nearly 200 deaths and about 8,000 confirmed cases of the virus on its mainland. Outside China, there are more than 80 infected people in 19 countries. Those include 13 confirmed cases in Europe so far: five in France, five in Germany, two in Italy and one in Finland.

A scare over a 54-year-old woman with flu-like symptoms led Italian authorities to keep 6,000 passengers and 1,000 crew members on the cruise ship docked north of Rome. The Costa Crociere cruise line said the woman and her partner, who had no symptoms, were put into isolation Wednesday.

The passengers were allowed to disembark on Thursday after tests for the new virus from China came back negative, Italian coast guard Capt. Stefano Varone said. The ship was sailing from Mallorca, Spain, to Civitavecchia on a weeklong Mediterranean cruise.

While those tests came back negative, two Chinese tourists visiting Rome tested positive for the virus, Premier Giuseppe Conte said Thursday, adding that Italy had barred flights coming from and going to China.

Germany confirmed a fifth case there, all involving employees at Munich-based auto parts maker Webasto, which has facilities in Wuhan. Officials think the virus was transmitted by a Chinese employee who visited Germany for training earlier this month and tested positive on her return to China.

The Czech Republic announced it was stopping issuing visas to Chinese citizens due to the outbreak. More than 600,000 Chinese tourists are estimated to have visited the Czech Republic last year, especially its old-world capital city of Prague.

On the retail front, Swedish furniture and home goods retailer IKEA announced all its stores in mainland China would remain closed to protect customers and staff from the outbreak. The stores are a favorite haunt of Chinese city dwellers, both for shopping and for just hanging out.

More European airlines announced halts in service to China, all citing efforts “to protect the health and security of customers and staff.”

Air France suspended all its regular passenger flights to and from China until Feb. 9. The French carrier had already suspended flights to Wuhan, the epicenter of the viral outbreak, and reduced traffic to Beijing and Shanghai. Air France said it will run special flights starting Thursday to bring back some customers and employees from Beijing and Shanghai.

Scandinavian Airlines announced it was halting all its flights to Beijing and Shanghai beginning Friday and running through Feb. 9th. SAS has 12 regular weekly flights from Scandinavia to China.

Spain’s Iberia national airline halted the three return flights a week it runs between Madrid and Shanghai due to the virus, a move it said would continue through February.

Finnish national airline Finnair said it has stopped accepting new bookings on its flights to mainland China.

Those announcements followed earlier moves to halt or reduce flights to China by other European airlines, including British Airways, Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Swiss and KLM, which after the weekend is adding Beijing and Shanghai to its list of suspended Chinese destinations.

The virus comes from the coronavirus family, which includes the common cold but also more severe illnesses, such as SARS and MERS.

European passengers escaping Wuhan by air are expected to reach France on Friday. Then they will be quarantined for 14 days, but as compensation they will be put up at a southern vacation resort with a view of the Mediterranean Sea.

In contrast, American evacuees from China are being kept at a military facility.

The French resort is in the small town of Carry-le-Rouet. Its mayor protested the move, fearing it could keep people away from a local sea urchin culinary festival this weekend, town hall communications director Peggy Molina said. But the French government simply requisitioned the resort, she said.

Underlining EU nations' hasty preparations to respond to the virus, Molina said the town hall was told only Thursday that it would be hosting evacuees starting Friday.

So am I safe in the Norwegian state of Minnesota? Even though I'm Hispanic?

Just keep away from the Somalis.
 
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