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Menotaur said:
My post may be stupid - eye of the beholder and all...
But, to your valid points:
1. They are not at fault for the origin of the virus. You could make this argument through all recorded history unless you opt to destroy every pig, cow, bird and bat on Earth. Viruses are going to mutate, and they are going to spread regardless unless you exterminate their origins. It could have been a bat that did a shit on a car door. Tomorrow it could be a bird that shits on your kids soccer field and they roll the ball through it. Tomorrow it could be a mutated virus that turns Mad Cow Disease into a global spreader.
The international aid that could have been offered to China a month ago would have been...what? Help with 30 people? Some good doctors that would have done what? The same bloody thing. The only thing that you could have done in this situation was quarantine earlier, and how do you justify that with a handful of cases? China going to the WHO a month ago would have gotten the response it got just a week ago - not a global emergency and thats when we had thousands of cases, but you think when they had just a handful they would have gotten anything other than "knock of the big scare".
If we actually expect China to have implemented draconian quarantine a month ago, then by all rights every other country now with a few cases must also do the same thing. But they aren't. And they won't. Even though a global emergency has been declared. What the USA and a few other countries have done won't stop the virus, it will just buy a little more time. They could have done far more.
2. True. But the vast majority of hospitals in the USA are private, you don't really have a public health system.
3. The health of the average american is below that of other advanced countries. Your health system here is not as grand as you think it is. Your life expectancy is lower.
4. If this country can fucking afford 11 aircraft carriers and a trillion a year in military, then yeah, it can fucking afford a warehouse with a standby operation for the inevitable arrival of a virus like this. What that would cost for a year would be less than the Military uses in a day. So no excuses on this.
5. You can do this, I don't really see your point, china will do it if it has to, but in all probability, social distancing by having people stay home is much more effective.
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1. If a person has a room full of combustible items, with the floor having pools of gasoline and also several electronic devices with faulty wiring, it's not a hard stretch to say the fire that burned his house is primarily his fault, it's not some fire that spread out of nowhere and nothing could have been done.
As for international aid it could have been several hundred professional aid workers and researchers along people who know better how to handle outbreaks and could have done something more productive than the retarded "let's build new hospitals| with no equipment or staff". Also the WHO's response is 100% political and economical to the benefit of China, in a sane world their heads should roll.
2. In case of a pandemic then the private hospitals will provide aid to everyone due to common sense.
3. Is this caliberated to the amount of fat people and poverty levels? Trying to compare the USA to European country's citizen health without looking at this factors makes the comparison moot.
4. You are comparing apples to oranges here (with gross economic generalizations). Not to mention you could have levied the exact same argument for every european country that relies on the USA for protection and doesn't have extra unused hospitals.
5. If you are not infected then sure, but for infected people "hole up in your house until you die" is not a good solution.
 
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Speaking directly: I've seen more flu and pneumonia deaths in one state than Coronavirus has caused globally.

I'm more afraid of people with active measles flying state to state. Transmission rate for that is through the roof and it's just as deadly to vulnerable populations, or more.

It may change, but it's not anything that horrifying yet.
 
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Another info from r/China_flu.
It legit looks like China dun goofed.
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cuddle striker said:
Speaking directly: I've seen more flu and pneumonia deaths in one state than Coronavirus has caused globally.

I'm more afraid of people with active measles flying state to state. Transmission rate for that is through the roof and it's just as deadly to vulnerable populations, or more.

It may change, but it's not anything that horrifying yet.
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I think what's really got folks scared about this disease is that nobody is really sure what the fuck to do with it because it's so new. Measles you can get immunizations for. This is a brand new virus that kills people and spreads like butter on a sidewalk in summer and there's no known reliable way to deal with it. Maybe in the coming months once we're educated it'll become just another Measles or Polio. For now though, it's up in the air.
 
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I think what's really got folks scared about this disease is that nobody is really sure what the fuck to do with it because it's so new. Measles you can get immunizations for. This is a brand new virus that kills people and spreads like butter on a sidewalk in summer and there's no known reliable way to deal with it. Maybe in the coming months once we're educated it'll become just another Measles or Polio. For now though, it's up in the air.
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it kills less per thousand than flu and pneumonia. flu is pandemic, yet only a select population even bother to get vaccinated.

measles was a solved problem in many places until assholes started refusing their shots.

if you work an airport or port city, in a crowded place, order an n99 Cambridge mask for twenty bucks. it'll work. it'll also last, they're not single use like the paper ones. if you're immunocompromised, stay out of crowds for now. starting now. it's not hard to know when to start. just start now, there's enough sick of every kind to go around besides this one thing.

it's new but it's not new- this is a form/species of virus we've seen before. a vaccine won't take long, distribution of one may take longer. there will be people refusing to take it, of course.

as far as source: animal husbandry in crowded conditions with profit as the sole motive will always lead to disaster; there's a reason I gear up like a spaceman when I'm cutting into someone who ate British beef. prions are nastier things than any virus. and "bushmeat" (venison, game) is bad worldwide- CWD in deer and elk in the US and Canada is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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cuddle striker said:
Speaking directly: I've seen more flu and pneumonia deaths in one state than Coronavirus has caused globally.

I'm more afraid of people with active measles flying state to state. Transmission rate for that is through the roof and it's just as deadly to vulnerable populations, or more.

It may change, but it's not anything that horrifying yet.
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The flu and pneumonia mostly kill the elderly, and immune compromised. I've yet to see any reports on who this is really killing(not that I'd trust anything coming out of china anyways), comparing mortality numbers with influenza which infects millions of people in the USA alone annually is not fair at all. Most likely this is killing the same population as the common cold, but there are certainly aspects that are very concerning about this virus such as asymptomatic incubation period, and the rate at which it is mutating. Sorry to sperg but it really bothers me when people use this line of logic.
 
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Kujo Jotaro said:
The flu and pneumonia mostly kill the elderly, and immune compromised. I've yet to see any reports on who this is really killing(not that I'd trust anything coming out of china anyways), comparing mortality numbers with influenza which infects millions of people in the USA alone annually is not fair at all. Most likely this is killing the same population as the common cold, but there are certainly aspects that are very concerning about this virus such as asymptomatic incubation period, and the rate at which it is mutating. Sorry to sperg but it really bothers me when people use this line of logic.
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In the statistics I'm privy to, it's mostly killing men over 50 out of proportion to other groups. Many of the people who have died were compromised immunologically, just like the people who die of other infections.

I agree that possible mutation of this virus is what concerns me most, but the best evolution a virus can make is to become less deadly and more easily transferred, simultaneously. I've worked through/during enough outbreaks of other illnesses to not yet be disturbed by this one.

edit to add: I don't give two shits what China officially says. The 162 cases are the statistically relevant ones.
 
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cuddle striker said:
it kills less per thousand than flu and pneumonia. flu is pandemic, yet only a select population even bother to get vaccinated.

measles was a solved problem in many places until assholes started refusing their shots.

if you work an airport or port city, in a crowded place, order an n99 Cambridge mask for twenty bucks. it'll work. it'll also last, they're not single use like the paper ones. if you're immunocompromised, stay out of crowds for now. starting now. it's not hard to know when to start. just start now, there's enough sick of every kind to go around besides this one thing.

it's new but it's not new- this is a form/species of virus we've seen before. a vaccine won't take long, distribution of one may take longer. there will be people refusing to take it, of course.

as far as source: animal husbandry in crowded conditions with profit as the sole motive will always lead to disaster; there's a reason I gear up like a spaceman when I'm cutting into someone who ate British beef. prions are nastier things than any virus. and "bushmeat" (venison, game) is bad worldwide- CWD in deer and elk in the US and Canada is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Can you link anywhere selling Cambridge n99’s for 20bucks? Everywhere I look is either sold out or horrifically bloated in price
 
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Kujo Jotaro said:
The flu and pneumonia mostly kill the elderly, and immune compromised. I've yet to see any reports on who this is really killing(not that I'd trust anything coming out of china anyways), comparing mortality numbers with influenza which infects millions of people in the USA alone annually is not fair at all. Most likely this is killing the same population as the common cold, but there are certainly aspects that are very concerning about this virus such as asymptomatic incubation period, and the rate at which it is mutating. Sorry to sperg but it really bothers me when people use this line of logic.
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Dude, the only lethal symptom of this virus is pneumonia, that's it. This IS a pneumonia virus. The only novel thing about it is how far its spread and that's because it's a spanish flu situation. If the government was even close to competent and the infrastructure was there this wouldn't even be as bad as the flu.
 
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