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Feline Supremacist said:
People all over the world film everything but there's no video of this racism against the innocent Chinese? I call bullshit until there's actual video. This is all "I heard..." and "But she said..." garbage.
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It's just like any other accusation of "racism" from white people. It's their perception of judgment from strangers that fuel this craziness
 
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Canada's national broadcaster on fighting the real disease.

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'Do you have the Chinese disease?' Amy Go's friend observed a pair of East Asian men being asked on a bus
CBC News · Posted: Feb 01, 2020 5:50 PM ET | Last Updated: 17 minutes ago

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Amy Go has heard from many friends and family members about the xenophobia they've experienced as misinformation and stereotypes run rampant. Go is the interim national president of the Chinese Canadian National Council for Social Justice in Toronto. (James Morrison/CBC)
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At Amy Go's Lunar New Year family dinner in Toronto on Friday, celebrations were mixed with a palpable sense that "racism is still very much alive" in Canada.
As fears spread about the threat of the newly discovered strain of coronavirus that's hit hardest in China, Go has heard from many friends and family members about the xenophobia they've experienced as misinformation and stereotypes run rampant.
"My sister-in-law said in her workplace there were people coughing and the Chinese staff were told by the manager not to come back to work the next day, but not the other staff," Go told CBC News.

That's just one example.
A friend told Go that when she got on a bus the other day, people around her immediately moved away. Go says her friend watched as a white woman asked two East Asian men wearing protective masks, "Do you have the Chinese disease?"
Then there are examples of school kids being taunted or bullied for being Chinese.

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It's a worrying reminder to Go, who is the interim national president of the Chinese Canadian National Council for Social Justice, of the isolation and stigma that came with the 2003 SARS outbreak that killed 44 Canadians among nearly 800 victims worldwide. Amid the fears, Asian-run businesses were hit hard as people kept their distance — so much so that then-prime minister Jean Chretien visited a Chinatown restaurant at the height of the crisis to show there was no need for panic.
Compared with 2003, Go says this time around social media seems to have made it easier for hateful ideas to spread.
A 'punch in the gut'
"I do find this time it's even more, it's worse because this sort of uncensored and brazen, brazen hate speech and racism could rear its head without any sanctions as compared to the time we were living through SARS," she said.
For Chinese Canadians, it's a "punch in the gut," said Go. "Unfortunately the 'yellow peril' term used against the Chinese, it's still here."
According to the most recent census, more than 1.5 million people in Canada identify as Chinese.
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It's that kind of sentiment that dozens turned out to fight during a walk through Toronto's Chinatown on Saturday.
"I thought I would just have Torontonians join me as a show of tangible support for the Chinese Canadian community," said Chinatown resident and author Jay Pitter, who organized the event.

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Prime Minster Justin Trudeau gathers at the head of the table for tea during a Lunar New Year celebration at Casa Deluz in Scarborough, Ont., Saturday, Feb. 1, 2020. Trudeau said Canadians should support each other and avoid discrimination based on fear and misinformation. (Tijana Martin/The Canadian Press)
Pitter said she was disheartened by stories of Chinese Canadians being singled out on the bus, at work and at school, and decided to act, holding the walk on the start of Black History Month — a date she says isn't without significance.
"I certainly come from a culture of people who face lots of discrimination within the public realm and so I'm deeply concerned about any other community facing the same and similar challenges."
'No place in our country for discrimination'
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau delivered a similar message to Canadians at a Lunar New Year celebration in Scarborough, Ont., on Saturday.
"There is no place in our country for discrimination driven by fear or misinformation," Trudeau said. "This is not something Canadians will ever stand for."

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Jay Pitter said she was disheartened by stories of Chinese Canadians being singled out on the bus, at work and at school, and decided to act. (James Morrison/CBC)
In his remarks, Trudeau sought to show his support for those who have been victims of discrimination and those worried about loved ones abroad.
"I know it's been a tough start of the year for many of you," Trudeau said. "Our government will always stand with you. We will always speak up against division."

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For Go, that kind of public display of support is important. But she said she would also like to see more tangible measures such as a hotline for people experiencing racism, greater monitoring of social media for misinformation and resources for people whose rights whose rights may be violated to get the information and support they need.
Saturday's walk in Toronto was one step in the show of solidarity.

"Public places like streets and transit reveal the very worst of who we are as a city, but they also reveal the very best of who we are," Pitter said.
"This is a city that will not tolerate this alienation and backlash."
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@Exigent Circumcisions Is there any hope for your country?
 
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Extremist Frank said:
30-50 million dead will be absolutely catastrophic to (1) China's tourism sector and (2) China's manufacturing base.

I posted an al jazeera article in this thread earlier (you can check my posts), but they cited a S&P estimate that a 10% decrease in tourism will reduce China's GDP growth by 1.2% -- that is monumental.

Moreover, Wuhan is China's 9th most visited city and one of its central manufacturing and logistics hubs. While workers can be replaced, Wuhan will likely be shut down for months, not to mention the rest of China.

The real point isn't population loss, its the economic catastrophe China is facing.
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Caixin estimates that the service sector has lost $144 billion in revenue this past week because of the shutdown. It would be like everything being closed during thanksgiving-christmas in the US. That alone is a huge blow to the chinese economy, especially because service sector growth is one of the things that has been helping their economy while the manufacturing sector growth stagnates. The movie industry alone lost ~900mil in ticket sales. Even if things were to go back to normal tomorrow, no quarantines and no new cases, I'd expect people will shy away from restaurants/bars/theaters/ect for sometime.

There is also the sheer cost to the government of all this. How many billions are going to be spent on this? Already the central bank has promised a ton of measures to dampen the blow of all this on factories. Already China has a poor debt/gdp ratio and every analyst out there was estimating that we'd see more stimulus spending this year. The costs of this potentially limit what sort of stimulus can be done after this is all over, or they can just make 90s Japan look like a paragon of fiscal responsibility.
 
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Caixin estimates that the service sector has lost $144 billion in revenue this past week because of the shutdown. It would be like everything being closed during thanksgiving-christmas in the US. That alone is a huge blow to the chinese economy, especially because service sector growth is one of the things that has been helping their economy while the manufacturing sector growth stagnates. The movie industry alone lost ~900mil in ticket sales. Even if things were to go back to normal tomorrow, no quarantines and no new cases, I'd expect people will shy away from restaurants/bars/theaters/ect for sometime.

There is also the sheer cost to the government of all this. How many billions are going to be spent on this? Already the central bank has promised a ton of measures to dampen the blow of all this on factories. Already China has a poor debt/gdp ratio and every analyst out there was estimating that we'd see more stimulus spending this year. The costs of this potentially limit what sort of stimulus can be done after this is all over, or they can just make 90s Japan look like a paragon of fiscal responsibility.
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I'll try to come up with some numbers tonight, (sick atm) if you know of any info on their most recent economic quarter a link would be appreciated.
 
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Then there is the American Mid-West. Welfare hand outs cases swamping the system. I'd be OK with them getting the vaccine a little later than most.

For every deadbeat that drops dead in the Mid West, we save in medicare and handouts, what, $30,000 per year over 10 years that's 300,000. A million of them go we save 300,000,000,000.

Sounds like a winner to me in every respect. Thanks China!

Confucius say "When you are laboring for others let it be with the same zeal as if it were for yourself."
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I didn't know Movie Bob had an account here.
Tell me, superior coast-lander, what will happen if all the farm lands fall to disease?
 
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Fagnacious D said:
I wonder if the Corona virus and the Bird Flu will end up having long term effects on the chinese economy.
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Only if key sector / jobs and talents / knowledge areas that are essential and more often than not lacking people in these segments start dying, if you can't secure key infrastructure / tech / power plants engineer and the likes you are kind of fucked if they died from the Wu Flu.

think of the years needed to instruct them, how much they learned from experience and what key knowledge they half kept under secret for themselves as most people do (either to keep their job or be the only one to be able to do x or y), then you are in for a ride when they suddenly disappear, can't be replaced with a snap of fingers.
 
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Aberforth said:
Love how people with autoimmune diseases and breathing issues are lower on the progressive stack during a situation where they are in danger. Let's just not give a fuck about people with stuff like lupus. It is the progressive way!
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The differently healthy are inherently privileged because there is a system in place that preferentially treats them instead of putting priority onto a nonbinary transgender womyn of color that has been systematically oppressed by heteronormative doctors and ableist biology. /sneed
 
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Exigent Circumcisions said:
If things get bad enough rural people will more than likely barricade the highways into their towns and shoot trespassers on sight. As for large cities; we're probably fucked.
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Our land of maple and polar bears devolving to standard zombie apocalypse manoeuvres?

It does make me wonder, I certainly have absolutely no wish for it to spread here beyond the cases we currently have but considering there are more people in California than all of Canada There's just not much here and it's so spaced out. Some areas would probably be devastated but if that's the case it'll be tearing through the US because the bulk pockets of population in Canada are all along the US border. The rest almost immediately becomes very rural, very fast.

It's also winter which already results in people travelling only if they have too.
 
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What's really telling to me is the lack of decontamination going on. Medical workers are suited up and doubtlessly going from one patient to the next without changing gloves. Even if you wind up recovering, we still are unsure of the virus's ability to reinfect. Even if you get better, the incompetent medical staff will likely just reinfect you.

You have family members and random people just walking inside and just meandering around. There's zero effort to quarantine the sick. Bodies are just left sitting in the back of an open van. What an absolute shitshow.
 
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