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Unfortunately, the art-style got massively downgraded in the third season.
I mean, what idiot thought that going from this...
...to this:
...represented an improvement?
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I mean, what idiot thought that going from this...
...to this:
...represented an improvement?
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Yea :/ wasn't it because budget cuts at Warner Bros and change in staff?Unfortunately, the art-style got massively downgraded in the third season.
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No idea. I don't think budget cuts were responsible for all the Timmverse women ending up with heads the same size as their torsos, at the very least.
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Bruce Timm.Unfortunately, the art-style got massively downgraded in the third season.
I mean, what idiot thought that going from this...
...to this:
...represented an improvement?
To be fair, Poison Ivy basically already looked like that.No idea. I don't think budget cuts were responsible for all the Timmverse women ending up with heads the same size as their torsos, at the very least.
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fourth season actually... Anyways the Fourth Season gets way too much hate. Yeah some of the redesigns were... questionable and their were a couple of episodes that missed the mark (The Farm Animals episode was just exceptional) But overall it was a pretty strong season with many episodes being some of the series's best (Old Wounds, Joker's Millions, Mad Love, Over the Edge, and Legends of the Dark Knight to name a few).Unfortunately, the art-style got massively downgraded in the third season.
I mean, what idiot thought that going from this...
...to this:
...represented an improvement?
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At this point, the only current cartoon I’m really invested in is Infinity Train. Granted, it is nowhere the level of Batman, Gargoyles or Avatar but it’s an interesting show that bucks many trends seen in the 2010s. It has a unique format that ensures it never gets stale or overstays it’s welcome, the atmosphere is often ominous and creepy, the color palette strikes a nice balance between colorful and muted, and the messages are impactful but still meaningful for children rather than just preaching to college students.
I feel like I’m overhyping it but after seeing the pilots and upcoming shows for CN, this may be their best show for a while.
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The only redesign that was actually an improvement was Scarecrow.
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Maybe, but that kind of accentuated her characterization as this seemingly harmless, doll-like little woman using proxies like poisons and mutated plants to get her way, just like Scarecrow's exaggerated, inhuman lankiness did for his. It's not a "one-size-fits-all" look.
The fact that I can't remember a single thing that happens in any of those stories (as opposed to virtually every episode of BTAS) seems like a pretty good indication of exactly how watered-down the later iterations of the series were, both in terms of visual design and storytelling.
Check out Exo-Squad sometime, if you've not already seen it. The world-building, characterization and storytelling are a cut above anything else that came out of the 90s, in my opinion.
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"Mad Love" is the one where we learn why Harley got involved with the Joker in the first place, just so you know.
I don't necessarily want to bag on those later seasons of BTAS but, well, even Bruce Timm came to think that the Joker's redesign was a bad idea. That's why they redesigned him again for Batman Beyond and Justice League.
The whole redesign thing was meant to give the show a more streamlined look similar to what was going on in the Superman DCAU series about that same time.
I don't necessarily want to bag on those later seasons of BTAS but, well, even Bruce Timm came to think that the Joker's redesign was a bad idea. That's why they redesigned him again for Batman Beyond and Justice League.
The whole redesign thing was meant to give the show a more streamlined look similar to what was going on in the Superman DCAU series about that same time.
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I still argue Joker's redesign is the absolute worst of them all. Like, why'd they change his eye color around? He looks like he got possessed between seasons and it creeps me out.Unfortunately, the art-style got massively downgraded in the third season.
I mean, what idiot thought that going from this...
...to this:
...represented an improvement?
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I think the point of changing the art style was to allow for more consistent animation quality from episode to episode (BTAS jumps all over the place with this because they used 3-4 different studios).Unfortunately, the art-style got massively downgraded in the third season.
I mean, what idiot thought that going from this...
...to this:
...represented an improvement?
I think the idea was supposed to be something like this:
but the studios they farmed it out to took the design at face and made Joker as we see him in The New Batman Adventures, a la Scarecrow's first appearance at far left (his original model had his posture all twisted but this wasn't telegraphed clearly enough so the animators thought he was just leaning):
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I'll happily take inconsistent animation over the flat, over-exaggerated sameness of everything that came after.
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One of the redesigns that I always hated was the Mad Hatter
One looks like a perfect interpretation of the character on Alice, the other is just a pedophile.
One looks like a perfect interpretation of the character on Alice, the other is just a pedophile.
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And it makes us apreciate TMS and Spectrum's episodes more.
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I wonder how older cartoons made off model look charming while newer off model shows like SU and OK KO just look unprofessional.
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It varied from company to company. Most times it was simply just whatever style the studio did. Other times, like with AKOM, it was just what SU and OK KO does- incompetence.
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Actually having a model in the first place probably helps.
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I mean he's always given me a sort of Pedo vibeOne of the redesigns that I always hated was the Mad Hatter
One looks like a perfect interpretation of the character on Alice, the other is just a pedophile.
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Final Scarecrow design is awesome. Plus Jeffrey Coombs. A shame he isn't used much after that point.
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Most off model moments were due to time crunch. Remember, back then they didn't have fast internet and these studios were working on like half a dozen other shows to work on as well. Now studios can email each other on progress and such. Of course, it still depends on the quality of the storyboards they get too.