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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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They don't need to kill them off.
Despite the communism, China has basically no old-age security or public healthcare. They die off on their own, especially if they have no kids to care for them or have smart kids who leave China.
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We have reports from japanese and western laboratories and from patients in western quarantine areas, on top of confirmation from what we know from inside wuhan thanks to whistleblowing doctors and Chen. And it all corroborates with what would be expected of a coronavirus bareing extreme mutation. This is basic epidemiology at work, any student of any field related to virology will come to the same conclusion after checking the info. I assure you the scientific community isn't making any more questions about its symptoms, only how it transmita and how to stop it, for a good reason. We know what it does, it's just another pneumonia virus, it's harder to kill than most but that's about it, and the flu's already hard as balls to kill as it is, so it's not any harder, maybe its rate of infection is higher we don't know that for sure but many bieve it might even be lower. So really, it's just the flu but without vaccines, and with a government and culture that was thoroughly unprepared for it.
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It's possible we are focused on the wrong metrics for measuring the impact of the WuFlu.
Mortality means little compared to economic autism. Manufacturing and commodities markets are down on the Shanghei and Shenzhen exchanges, healthcare stocks are up. Were it not for healthcare stocks rallying, those losses would have been around 18%.
China has a middle class these days, they are pretty reasonable people who have seen their wealth increase dramatically over the last 20 years. It's comparable in some ways to the 50s - 70s in the US, you have a lot of people who have risen out of poverty and will not accept going back for any reason. Their government sells itself as stewards of the growth in prosperity, they basically tell everyone to trust them and don't ask any questions.
That middle class just took a haircut. They're going to want that money back. While they listen to the government's story and express confidence in their ability to handle things, privately, it's a different story. Most households are already having to cut back on pork, many are not allowed to go out and buy fresh food until this all clears up. People have been killing their pets and there's more personal restrictions coming. While most people don't think about the GDP because they know CCP economic figures are garbage, they know what lost productivity means because it's been drilled in their heads all their lives.
If you're a party leader in China, that's a pretty scary psychographic to have to deal with. You know there won't be a violent revolution because your entire society is set up to prevent one from every happening. That doesn't mean pockets of unrest won't occur, you are mobilizing your propaganda machine to counter it. You know weathering this storm won't be easy and you will probably have to increase imports to keep people from going nuts. So you might be looking at all those t-bills you have sitting in the treasury and thinking about a sell-off, asking yourself how much needs to transfer to stem the tide. You have to be careful tho, because all the Belt and Road stuff depends on having massive amounts of US Debt to convert to physical assets in other countries. Go too far and you will find yourself on trial a year later for betraying the people's trust or some other nonsense. You're probably moving personal assets overseas and talking to your family about taking a vacation to Europe or America.
That's the impact of WuFlu. Things might be better a few weeks from now, they might be worse. But everyone is wondering if they really have the government to handle this. Deep down, many people know they don't, this single outbreak has lead to mass disruption. While they don't know how to put this into words, the lack of meaningful institutions allows unpredictable externalities to damage their entire economy. China is a big place that's done some amazing things, and no one wants to see it fall because they don't know how to manage risk.
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The problem I have with the notion that it's "just the flu without vaccines" is the turmoil it's causing in China at the moment.
My main point, anyway, was the absurdity of the "we in the first world are so much cleaner we don't need to worry about it spreading" sentiment I've seen in the thread when we've still got many people who don't wash their hands after using the restroom, either, and the like. Not to mention the amount of third-worlders that have been imported to the west recently.
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Our Chinese offices are supposed to re-open sometime next week, and they said that they will totally get a emergency shipment of masks from Europe so they can meet long-term demand and operational status. If those masks go "missing" because a corrupt Chinese customs officer took them for himself, shit will hit the fan. People can only "work from home" for so long.
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Unless you paid $400 for express shipping it's unlikely to survive the normal 1-3 month shipping times.
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i just bought a bunch of items from amazon last week and they just arrived, i really fucking hope if any of it was produced in china that the germs fucking died.
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But we ARE. We have much stronger regulations for food manipulation and water treatment. Oh we aure as shit still got some awfully unhigienic bastards out there, specially amongst first generation migrants. But we have NOTHING even close to the catastrophe that is the meat market over there. America has apparently let illegals make some awful street vending in some states, but the rest of the west has some thorough checks in place to avoid shit like this even amongst funfair vendors. Hell recently here in spain a meat processing factory skipped on that and caused the spread of another virus, but it was closed, quarantined, cleaned, its owners punished, the products recalled and the people treated. I believe one of them was a pregnant woman who had an abortion due to the disease, and even that was treated as a tragedy and peopme were outraged that the system had failed so hard. (I can't remember if she actually aborted or if in the end the fetus was saved, people started freaking out beforehand) and that really should tell you the difference. I mean, I believe our virus never jumped human to human. But that's partially because it never had the chance to mutate to begin with. Because we get a lot more autistic about medicine over here. And let's not even get into sewage and waste disposal, because suffice to say the chinese are so far behind in that aspect, there's literally plenty of studies using them as a model for issues with those areas so as to predict what could happen over here if our processing plants for some reason went to shit.
We have our issues. But NOTHING on par with what China considers normal. Their regulation, infrastructure, customs and even choice of hunt is so horrid that it just looks medieval to people who don't live there. And even in the middle ages they'd probably be horrified by "gutter oil."
Sure the disease probably will get here, and it might spread on some areas. It sure as shit won't be even close to what they went through though, even on a worse case scenario, and that's before you take into account the horrid response by the CCP and the literal MONTHS of unchecked growth it went through in Wuhan.
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It’s not that we are overestimating how clean Western people are. I've seen women change their pads and not wash their hands afterwards. Despite this, I still argue that the Chinese are worse.
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well fuck, so the virus can survive for 5 days on surfaces, if you import anything from china you're importing the virus along with it...
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“The #coronavirus can survive for five days maximum on smooth surfaces under suitable circumstances: experts from China's Health Commission”twitter.com
defending china until his dying breath, what a good tool he is
This is probably bad for china again in the sense of public transport, markets, and ironically hospital environments etc. where already infected can spread it as well as for the areas where the currently isolated cases are, but it still requires *specific environment* BUT the same post has this comment on it
the average outdoors or even most areas where humans are meeting and moving around is not fridge conditions and probably not freezer conditions either, so like maybe a day or two it's still viable if you go by this? That's assuming no other weather patterns or whatever else happening that could cause it to degrade.
I can't help but feel we're now seeing companies and probably anti-china countries taking advantage of this growing panic to try to push the whole, buy less from China- which we should, although it's hard too when everything is made there and even items 'made in the USA/CAN for example often have that made from domestic and imported parts- however the average consumer making a purchase from Ebay or Alibaba - which honestly seems like who this is trying to stoke panic further in- for example will not be getting anything in the span of five days.
I would like China get more first world and out of the dark ages- preferably stronger and more sanitary, frankly, so I'm certainly not defending them but this post has me highly skeptical.
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This is why I don't follow Mainstream Media
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Rather bold of you to dismiss the possibility of it. If people get hungry, thirsty and/or infected with zombie virus then the rules of society stop mattering so much. China has been in a cycle of periodic extremely violent civil wars and revolutions for its entire existence. I'd say plenty of Chinese Emperors in the past found out the hard way that the entire hierarchical Confucian society they had set up to prevent violent revolutions went on to do just that. However, I do still more or less agree but only because the Party elite in China are too rich and coddled these days. They won't go down firing AKs from government buildings, blowing their brains out in their bunkers or publicly taking poison in front of the criminal courts. Once they realise that the army is either unwilling or unable (or both) to mass-murder Chinese civilians in public in the name of
That's true. It's starting to look like China's Chernobyl. Everyone knows the authorities are pieces of shit that tell absurd lies all the time in their own interest and arrest or simply kill people who persistently try to embarrass them in public on a scale that far outstrips the Western world. But if you don't trust the mafia to tell the truth and you're nevertheless living a better material existence than you thought you would, then you can let a lot slide. On the other hand, if there's possibly an escaped bioweapon that they had no business fucking around with in the first place and you're getting extremely mixed signals from that bunch of shit heads you don't trust to tell you and your family potentially life-saving information just because it may embarrass them and affect the grift they're running, then that's different.
The death toll of Chernobyl wasn't that significant in the grand scheme but it really hit the USSR where it was proudest: it's scientific and in particular nuclear capabilities. The modern Chinese state is also a Godless shit hole, but they worship money instead of science and the Party prides itself on its reputation for wise stewardship of the economy (a reputation that was beginning to look shaky before this crisis hit). And now we have a massive hammering of the Chinese stock market, cities shut down, factories closed for the indefinite future and more Western businesses - already under pressure to find alternative suppliers thanks to the diminishing competitiveness of China and Trump's trade war - may now be forced to strike up new relationships in other poor countries (or - shock horror - domestically!) that may ultimately lead to never needing to return to China. Even if it is just a cold bro (and it's not) then the economic damage of this will be serious and lasting.
As I understand it, Chernobyl was a major turning point in the cultural history of the Soviet Union. It's arguably the point when the quiet contempt that people had for their ruling power structure started to come out in to the open. Watch Russians being interviewed by Western media in, say, the 1970s and compare it to them in the late 80s; pre-Chernobyl (and also before Afghanistan had gone so wrong), they were on-message and full of arrogant hubris, sounding a lot like the Chinese today do (or at least did until a couple of weeks ago), but by the late 80s, they're openly smirking about the nature of the system, complaining about their shitty cars, making wry observations about how hypocritical all the propaganda is and asking if anyone is selling blue jeans for Western TV cameras. The Chinese were showing signs of standing up at this time too - incredible documentaries that would never get made in Hu's China, let alone Xi's, like River Elegy were being made and even broadcast on TV - but then old Deng Xiaoping showed he still had enough clout to put a serious death squad together in 1989 and the Chinese put all that shit away in public again. But if there's an outbreak of mass-irreverence in today's China, I doubt Xi has the clout to steady the ship the old fashioned way like Deng did.
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Global Times is CPC''s newspaper published by the People's Daily. Basically, pure Chinese propaganda for Western audiences.
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The English edition is what you say it is. There is also a Chinese edition that is notoriously obnoxious. The English edition is actually a toned down edition of the Chinese version.
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Apparently it’ll be ruled a pandemic soon.
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Scientists and disease experts say the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak could soon be declared a pandemic.
The World Health Organization (WHO) designated the coronavirus — whose scientific name is 2019-nCoV — a "public-health emergency of international concern" last week. Calling the virus a pandemic would take it to a new level, however, since that term refers to a more worldwide outbreak.
"It's very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the US' National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told The New York Times.
Here are the criteria for a virus to be labeled a pandemic:
The CDC says an epidemic is an "increase, often sudden, in the number of cases of a disease above what is normally expected in that population in that area."
Similarly, the WHO defines an epidemic as the "occurrence in a community or region of cases of an illness, specific health-related behavior, or other health-related events clearly in excess of normal expectancy."
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Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, a former CDC director, told The Times that it is "increasingly unlikely that the [2019-nCoV] virus can be contained."
He added: "It is therefore likely that it will spread, as flu and other organisms do, but we still don't know how far, wide, or deadly it will be."
Robert Webster, an infectious disease expert at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, told the Associated Press that "it sounds and looks as if it's going to be a very highly transmissible virus."
The Wuhan coronavirus has killed 362 people and infected more than 17,000 in more than 24 countries since the first cases were reported in December. All but one of those deaths took place in China. On Saturday, a man in the Philippines became the first to die of the virus outside of China.
The coronavirus outbreak hasn't been declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization, despite concerns it is spreading rapidly. Here's why.
The novel coronavirus has killed more than 3,000 people since December and has spread to more than 65 countries.
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The coronavirus outbreak hasn't been declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization, despite concerns it is spreading rapidly. Here's why.
The novel coronavirus has killed more than 3,000 people since December and has spread to more than 65 countries.
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Scientists say the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak could soon be declared a pandemic. Here's what that means.
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- Scientists say the Wuhan coronavirus that has so far killed 362 people and infected over 17,000 could soon become a pandemic.
- A pandemic is defined as "the worldwide spread of a new disease," according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
- It's also defined by a lack of available treatment, a lack of human immunity, and an ability to spread from person to person.
- "It's very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic," Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told The New York Times.
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Scientists and disease experts say the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak could soon be declared a pandemic.
The World Health Organization (WHO) designated the coronavirus — whose scientific name is 2019-nCoV — a "public-health emergency of international concern" last week. Calling the virus a pandemic would take it to a new level, however, since that term refers to a more worldwide outbreak.
"It's very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the US' National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told The New York Times.
Here are the criteria for a virus to be labeled a pandemic:
- The WHO defines a pandemic as "the worldwide spread of a new disease."
- A pandemic disease spreads across "several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people," according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
- Virus outbreaks can be characterized as a pandemic if the disease is "markedly different from recently circulating strains" and if "humans have little or no immunity" to it, according to the UK's Health and Safety Executive.
- A disease becomes a pandemic when it can infect many humans over a large area, be transferred from person to person, and cause clinical illness, the HSE said.
The CDC says an epidemic is an "increase, often sudden, in the number of cases of a disease above what is normally expected in that population in that area."
Similarly, the WHO defines an epidemic as the "occurrence in a community or region of cases of an illness, specific health-related behavior, or other health-related events clearly in excess of normal expectancy."
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Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, a former CDC director, told The Times that it is "increasingly unlikely that the [2019-nCoV] virus can be contained."
He added: "It is therefore likely that it will spread, as flu and other organisms do, but we still don't know how far, wide, or deadly it will be."
Robert Webster, an infectious disease expert at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, told the Associated Press that "it sounds and looks as if it's going to be a very highly transmissible virus."
The Wuhan coronavirus has killed 362 people and infected more than 17,000 in more than 24 countries since the first cases were reported in December. All but one of those deaths took place in China. On Saturday, a man in the Philippines became the first to die of the virus outside of China.
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It's worse than just random parents, it's culture-wide. Boys are on the hook to care for their aging parents. Girls are on the hook to be their husband's property and therefore not in a position to care for their aging parents. So if you're going to raise a kid, and remember you can only have one because otherwise the government will go out of its way to dick you as hard as it can, which is better to have? Eventually China decided, "Oops, gee, guess we'll let you have two kids," but by then the damage was long done. So it's the entire Chinese setup where if you don't have a son you're fucked as soon as you get old that led to this happening.
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“2 people in California who were previously diagnosed with coronavirus have been hospitalized in San Francisco. It's unclear if that means their condition changed.”
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