Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Consenticles]

Sure did. Recently finished reading Tombstone, the Great Chinese Famine 1958-62. Once you read that, the CCP playbook re this virus is obvious.

Fantastic reading. I have a copy of this ebook on hand, if anyone wants to read it.

 

[Shick]

Good news everyone!
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So in one day, we've gone from the incubation period being between 3-14 days, up to 3-24, and now 3-42?

 

[JosephStalin]

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People's Daily, China on Twitter

“Virus can't put out the passion for life! Video shows #coronavirus infected patients with mild syndromes isolated in a temporary hospital in #Wuhan taking up dancing. https://t.co/2lImpV7rmK”

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People's Daily, China on Twitter

“A medic harmonizes the ward showing Chinese traditional Qigong outside a quarantine chamber, as if telling the patients: "Don't worry. Things will get better." https://t.co/BqOSRk83yh”

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What in the fucking fuck are these people thinking? do they think that posting this means "oh look, we've got it under control! I mean look how much fun we're having! it's all good!"

Yup. How low will the CCP go? Likely even lower than this. I shudder to think what they may make these patients do next.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

So in one day, we've gone from the incubation period being between 3-14 days, up to 3-24, and now 3-42?

JIf it's only one case, could likely be a mistake and the woman had contact with someone who had the virus but had no symptoms.

 

[Coldgrip]

Who's up for a little thought exercise?

What if you suddenly woke up as Xi Jinping the next day? You suddenly grew a moral conscience and so you intend to fix the situation as best as possible instead of using the CCP's money and run away. No do-overs, so you inherit the problems facing China right now, with multiple patients, supplies running out, quarantines all over, and multiple countries imposing travel bans. What would your course of action be?

Find the most moral, competent, and decent people I've locked up and have them sent to a specific location with an envelope and instructions to not open it until three days have past.

Purge any and all party members, fake my own death.

Slink away into the night.

Third day rolls around and they open the envelope: They're now the ones in charge of china.

Devote my life to covertly righting my wrongs and aiding others, knowing that my action will not wash away my sins, but I accept that and will strive to help as many as I can anyways.

I realize you said no running away, but at that point me sticking around would do absolutely no good and being officially "dead" allows me to do things that the leaders can't.

 

[Shick]

JIf it's only one case, could likely be a mistake and the woman had contact with someone who had the virus but had no symptoms.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Probably managed to make it out of Wuhan without coming into contact with any infected, then met an asymptomatic carrier in the last two-ish weeks.

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

South Korea is now advising against travel to various Asian countries, including the other developed nations (Japan, Taiwan and Singapore). Pretty scary; wouldn't be surprised if Western nations will follow soon after.

S. Korea advises against traveling to Singapore, Taiwan and 4 others.

14:17 February 11, 2020

SEOUL, Feb. 11 (Yonhap) -- South Korea on Tuesday strongly advised its nationals to refrain from traveling to Singapore and five other Asian countries, in addition to China, which has reported the most confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus.

In an effort to contain the virus that has rapidly spread across the continent, the Seoul government asked people to limit their travel to Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand and Singapore.

"The measure is part of efforts to prevent the inflow of the novel coronavirus into the country through a third nation," Kim Gang-lip, deputy head of the central disaster headquarters, said during a regular press briefing.

A thermal scanner is set up at the National Assembly in Seoul on Feb. 10, 2020, to check arriving people's body temperatures as part of measures to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus originating in China. Anyone with his or her fever rising to 37.5 C or higher is prohibited from entering parliament. (Yonhap)

On Sunday, the World Health Organization (WHO) picked the six countries as possible places where the virus is possibly spreading within communities.

The advisory was made by the disaster headquarters that is operated by the Ministry of Health and Welfare, and it is separate from a regular travel warning announced by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The foreign ministry currently maintains the second-highest level of "withdrawal recommendation" for China's Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak. It also applies the alert level of "restraint," the third highest in its four-tier travel warning system, for the entire country, including Hong Kong and Macao.
khj@yna.co.kr

 

[Mr. Bones]

The ride never ends

 

[JosephStalin]

The Grauniad has a thunk-piece on how the outbreak is going to effect the global economy. Quote:



Bloomberg has another article on the matter.


Here's JPM economic growth estimates. Not great.

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And after all the years of China having their way and screwing other countries, not a fuck was given for China's economy by the rest of the world.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

The Grauniad has a thunk-piece on how the outbreak is going to effect the global economy. Quote:



Bloomberg has another article on the matter.


Here's JPM economic growth estimates. Not great.

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The knives are coming out.

3 months ago, the only place you would have seen criticisms of China's 2019 6% growth figure was the Financial Times. Now, people are starting to post that 3.8% figure everywhere, which is still a high number. In reality, it's much closer to US growth for the same period. Even a firm like J. P. Morgan has an incentive to inflate the numbers, the Chinese funds they sell Western investors depend on a high growth rate in China.

China is not going to bounce back from this fully, the loss of large corporate production is going to hurt them. Microsoft pulled production of components from a Foxconn plant in Wuhan and moved it to Vietnam in 3 days time. Apple has to sell iPhones, their production has been cut to zero and that's not sustainable for more than a month or so. They have no guarantees that the specialists who have been working on their parts are even alive anymore.

Xi Jinping introduced capitalism to China. His regime is predicated on keeping things running smoothly. Those 2020 projections represent a contraction in GDP which is going to hurt just about every senior party official in the wallet. To weather this storm, Xi will need to apply a lot of leverage to companies that enjoy access to the Chinese market but don't make incredible margins as it is. It's going to create a lot of calls for his ouster, there's no shortage of people in the Chinese government who would like to see him replaced. There is no shortage of Western leaders who would like to see someone else at the helm.

Call me crazy, but I don't think there's anyone who can run the government as efficiently as Xi. His time may be limited, but the people who could replace him are mostly war hawks who would like to see armed conflicts with the West and an expansion of China's global power on an advanced timeline. They've been playing a long game so far, speeding that up will likely have consequences.

Despite appearances, the economy in China is creating a very hot situation. An economic meltdown will be bad for the world.

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

HK scientist believe that 2/3 of the world will get the coronavirus. gg. F.

Coronavirus: expert warns infection could reach 60% of world's population

Exclusive: Hong Kong’s leading public health epidemiologist says other countries should consider adopting China-style containment measures
Sarah Boseley Health editor
Tue 11 Feb 2020 01.00 ESTLast modified on Tue 11 Feb 2020 01.02 EST


Police cordon off a residential estate in Hong Kong. The global death toll from coronavirus could be massive, says Gabriel Leung. Photograph: Anthony Wallace/AFP via Getty Images

The novel coronavirus epidemic could spread to two-thirds of the world’s population if it cannot be controlled, according to Hong Kong’s leading public health epidemiologist.

His warning came after the head of the World Health Organisation (WHO) said recent cases of coronavirus patients who have never visited China could be the “tip of the iceberg”. Professor Gabriel Leung, chair of Public Health Medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to around 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.

“Sixty per cent of the world’s population is an awfully big number,” Leung told the Guardian in London, en route to an expert meeting at the WHO in Geneva.

Even if the general fatality rate is as low as 1%, which Leung thinks is possible once milder cases are taken into account, the death toll would be massive.

He will tell the WHO expert meeting that the main issue is the scale of the growing worldwide epidemic and the second priority is to find out whether the drastic measures taken by China to prevent the spread have worked – because if so, other countries should think about adopting them.

Leung – one of the world’s experts on coronavirus epidemics, who played a major role in the Sars outbreak in 2002-2003 – works closely with other leading scientists such as counterparts at Imperial College London and Oxford University.

At the end of January he warned in a paper in the Lancet that outbreaks were likely to be “growing exponentially” in cities in China, lagging just one to two weeks behind Wuhan. Elsewhere, “independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable” because of the substantial movement of people who were infected but had not yet developed symptoms, and the absence of public health measures to stop the spread.

Epidemiologists and modellers were all trying to figure out what was likely to happen, said Leung. “Is 60 to 80% of the world’s population going to get infected? Maybe not. Maybe this will come in waves. Maybe the virus is going to attenuate its lethality because it certainly doesn’t help it if it kills everybody in its path, because it will get killed as well,” he said.

Experts also need to know whether the restrictions in the epicentre of Wuhan and other cities have reduced infections. “Have these massive public health interventions, social distancing, and mobility restrictions worked in China?” he asked. “If so, how can we roll them out, or is it not possible?”

There would be difficulties. “Let’s assume that they have worked. But how long can you close schools for? How long can you lock down an entire city for? How long can you keep people away from shopping malls? And if you remove those [restrictions], then is it all going to come right back and rage again? So those are very real questions,” he said.

If China’s lockdown has not worked, there is another unpalatable truth to face: that the coronavirus might not be possible to contain. Then the world will have to switch tracks: instead of trying to contain the virus, it will have to work to mitigate its effects.

For now, containment measures are essential. Leung said the period of time when people were infected but showed no symptoms remained a huge problem. Quarantine was necessary, but to ensure people were not still carrying the virus when they left, everybody should ideally be tested every couple of days. If anyone within a quarantine camp or on a stricken cruise ship tested positive, the clock should be reset to 14 days more for all the others.

Some countries at risk because of the movement of people to and from China have taken precautions. On a visit to Thailand three weeks ago Leung talked to the health minister, who is also deputy prime minister, and advised the setting up of quarantine camps, which the government has now done. But other countries with links to China appear, inexplicably, to have no cases – such as Indonesia. “Where are they?” he asked.

Scientists still do not know for sure whether transmission is through droplets from coughs or possibly airborne particles. “It’s rather difficult to do that kind of careful detailed work when everything is raging. And unless it is raging you are unlikely to get enough confirmed cases,” he said. “In Sars we never had the chance to do these kinds of studies.”

Hong Kong, which now has 36 confirmed cases of coronavirus, was in the worst possible set of circumstances for fighting a raging epidemic, said Leung.

“You need extra trust, extra sense of solidarity, extra sense of goodwill, all of which have been completely used up – every last drop in that social capital fuel tank has been exhausted after now eight months of social unrest, so it couldn’t have come at a worse time,” he said.

People needed to have faith and trust in their government while the uncertainties of the new outbreak were worked out by the scientific community, he said, “and of course when you have social media and fake news and real news all mixed in there and then zero trust, how do you fight that epidemic?”

In January Leung published two papers in the Lancet. The first examined the damage done by social unrest to the mental health of the Hong Kong population. The second was on the spread of coronavirus. “So the two have now come together. The first has made the second impossible to deal with – impossible. I mean, how do you bring your population along when there’s been this huge chasm in society?” he said.

 

[pwnest injun]

Always a good time to remember that Wuhan has a population of around 11 million people, without trash pickup, and soon to be without a stable source of heat, or food, or water, or not being set on fire.

You ever see a spider all covered with tiny spider babies, when it gets stepped on?

 

[eternal dog mongler]

It brought up an interesting problem. The EMTs are trained to take homeless patients to the emergency room. ERs don't test for NCP unless you fit some specific criteria, most of which need to be communicated verbally. None of the patients were responsive, nothing would have triggered a test.

Honestly, what does he expect us to do? Only the CDC has the test kits for 2019-nCoV, so we'd have to take samples and overnight them to either the CDC or someone who has them near us.

Doing this on every homeless person with flu-like symptoms would be a ridiculous cost to our medical system without much benefit. That's including pre-screening with dFA.

 

[murgatroid]

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People's Daily, China on Twitter

“Virus can't put out the passion for life! Video shows #coronavirus infected patients with mild syndromes isolated in a temporary hospital in #Wuhan taking up dancing. https://t.co/2lImpV7rmK”

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People's Daily, China on Twitter

“A medic harmonizes the ward showing Chinese traditional Qigong outside a quarantine chamber, as if telling the patients: "Don't worry. Things will get better." https://t.co/BqOSRk83yh”

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What in the fucking fuck are these people thinking? do they think that posting this means "oh look, we've got it under control! I mean look how much fun we're having! it's all good!"

Worst DJ set ever.

 

[Jarolleon]

Not to drag politics into this, but as we move forward into the US's every 4 year political madness keep this in mind. Look at oh so many of the Dem's left wing lunatics policies, then apply Corona-Chan to them.
- No Borders, No Immigration Enforcement whatsoever
- No single family dwellings
- the concerted push to high density urban living
- the constant push towards dense packed mass transit
Pay attention to how many pieces have to keep working continuously without fail to prevent the Democratic Socialists Utopia from falling over. Food, Power, Police, Fire, Medical, etc. And how quickly those thinly spread services collapse in a crisis.

Gee, it's almost as if so-called "xenophobia" and other right wing ideals are actually a society's collective immune system. I wonder if the rise of woke shit is enabled by recent medical advances, why fear getting pozzed if you can just take drugs and suppress all the symptoms?

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Honestly, what does he expect us to do? Only the CDC has the test kits for 2019-nCoV, so we'd have to take samples and overnight them to either the CDC or someone who has them near us.

Doing this on every homeless person with flu-like symptoms would be a ridiculous cost to our medical system without much benefit. That's including pre-screening with dFA.

He had 3 points:

- EMTs state-wide are concerned about NCP spreading through homeless populations. Mostly because the people they deal with don't seek treatment until they're critical.

- CA is unprepared to deal with an outbreak. The protocols for identifying NCP cases in CA depend upon verbal communication, homeless people in ERs are often unable to speak, for various reasons. Quarantining them doesn't work, they often become threats to themselves and other patients.

- LA hospitals routinely dump homeless patients. He implied this happened with the 4 people from last Friday. He's concerned this practice could lead to an epidemic.

I'm not a health expert, I don't know the proper threshold for tests. But there appears to be a huge vulnerability in place in CA. The cost / benefit of increased testing is probably above my pay grade.

 

[DewsLit]

Worst DJ set ever.

Ah yes, the hot new duo solo act The Corona Brothers.
RIP Ying, your beatboxing was sick, literally infectious.

 

[JosephStalin]

He had 3 points:

- EMTs state-wide are concerned about NCP spreading through homeless populations. Mostly because the people they deal with don't seek treatment until they're critical.

- CA is unprepared to deal with an outbreak. The protocols for identifying NCP cases in CA depend upon verbal communication, homeless people in ERs are often unable to speak, for various reasons. Quarantining them doesn't work, they often become threats to themselves and other patients.

- LA hospitals routinely dump homeless patients. He implied this happened with the 4 people from last Friday. He's concerned this practice could lead to an epidemic.

I'm not a health expert, I don't know the proper threshold for tests. But there appears to be a huge vulnerability in place in CA. The cost / benefit of increased testing is probably above my pay grade.

HUGE, indeed. Seems like every city and town in CA has a substantial homeless population. Can see anywhere from one to three homeless people spending the night in their vehicles parked on our street, which is in a "good" area of town. See people in tents from time to time living under an underpass I walk by most days. Our area's country supervisor allows homeless people to park in her office's parking lot overnight - at a cost of six figures of OUR tax dollars for contractors to monitor the area, provide certain things, etc.

Come into Salinas on Amtrak and you see homeless encampments lining the side of the tracks for several hundred yards. Monterey seems overrun with homeless. You don't want your little kids to go to the Monterey Public Library by themselves. Homeless all over the place, not to mention the occasional prostitutes - and the library is right across from the police station.

If this virus gets going among the homeless here, can see fatalities. We'll make very sure to stay away from the homeless - we do anyway.

 

[HonsPonzud]

This looks terrifying... I've never seen anything like this before in my entire life, like... Thought this was only a fiction possible in movies but searching a bit in our history, yeah, it seems that shit really happens in these specific conditions, still, if real it gives some pretty bad vibes :

nerd on Twitter

“Crows crowded on the Wusi Road, Chengxi District, Xining City, Qinghai Province. Crows love dead animals, like carrion. It looks like the movie Resident Evil. #coronavirus https://t.co/gDE0fHypzq”

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Come on, when will they fucking learn ? :

Breaking911 on Twitter

“CBP Officers at VA. Airport Intercept Dead Birds in Passenger Baggage from China - https://t.co/smwLReE7lm”

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Are they in some kind of huge hover-boat / Hovercraft ? When do you deploy such a vehicles in China's outbreak case ? Seems outlandish to me... Some say it might be a diesel locomotive... the sound it makes could be it... Weird tho.

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Some people have been inventive with the way they want to be a man of this world and strongly believe in a no border policy and try to enforce their rights themselves !

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I've used this technique too in Destruction derby on playstation 1 ! If you don't hurt your engine, you can still keep going for a long time and fuck everyone else, right ?

 

[Atomic Wangler]

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People's Daily, China on Twitter

“Virus can't put out the passion for life! Video shows #coronavirus infected patients with mild syndromes isolated in a temporary hospital in #Wuhan taking up dancing. https://t.co/2lImpV7rmK”

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People's Daily, China on Twitter

“A medic harmonizes the ward showing Chinese traditional Qigong outside a quarantine chamber, as if telling the patients: "Don't worry. Things will get better." https://t.co/BqOSRk83yh”

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What in the fucking fuck are these people thinking? do they think that posting this means "oh look, we've got it under control! I mean look how much fun we're having! it's all good!"

Imagine living in one of the quarantine zones.

The government destroys all routes of transport and cuts off any supply lines. Your neighbors have been sealed in their apartment and stopped banging on the walls days ago. You occasionally see people from the next building over jump rather than starve. You're not sure what is in the mist the trucks are spraying as they drive down the streets littered with dead pets the party told you to get rid of. You keep your window shut, just in case.

Then one day, your door bangs opens. Soldiers in fake hazmat suits take you out at gun point and shove you in a box. It's not big at all, but they manage to fit you and three other people in. You're the only one that wasn't coughing, but that changes by the time you arrive at your new home.

It's a very unpleasant affair. Prefab structures with bars on the windows, precariously stacked, one on top of the other. You try to ignore the bars, and try double hard to forget the massive pits you saw being dug on the way in.

Inside is somehow worse. Each of these prefabs is filled with as many people as the party can find. All being "treated" by doctors who shuffle room to room, looking sicker than the patients they treat. You're pretty certain your bunk mate on the rack above you died days ago, but you're too afraid to check, let alone wonder what fluid is leaking from him in the dark.

Xi Jinping visited the other day! At least they said it was him. You had seen his face on tv everyday for years, and this guy didn't even look like him, even with a mask covering his face. You know better than to ask such questions. Those that do get dragged off for treatments. Nobody knows where they are now.

You can feel your body deteriorating. You can't tell if it's from the disease or from being stuck in this God forsaken place. Suddenly, in the middle of the night, armed guards drag you and several other patients into a big open area. There are people dressed like doctors here, but they aren't the people who have been treating you for the past... what... Days? Weeks? Months perhaps?

They aren't the only people here. People from the state propaganda department are here with cameras. Pointed at you! Finally! They must be here to report on conditions in this death trap! You feel hopeful for the first time in...

One of them presses a button on a stereo. A blatant imitation of Kpop produced by the CCP assaults you ears. The men with guns tell you to start dancing. You have no energy left, but if you don't dance then you will die.

So, you dance. You will your dessicated limbs and immaciated body to move to the rhythm of a song about the good graces of the CCP. But it is too much. You fall to the floor, your limbs cease to respond to your efforts to stand back up, and you feel your breath begin to slow. As your vision begins to tunnel and fade, you hear the guards contemplating whether they should take you to the pit or leave you here.

All for the sake of bat soup!