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Pajeet anhero's himself over fears of coronavirus
No joke, RIP.
 
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I wonder how many unconfirmed cases are walking around outside of china
The scary thing about the Diamond Princess case is that if that many more people got infected after quarantine, that means that either this shit is so infectious that it can slip past quarantine easily, or in the even worse case, the test they're conducting can't detect infection up until a certain point.

Edit: and I love how the Ethiopians are basically making my earlier Africa to Europe doomsday prediction a reality now.
 
Pajeet anhero's himself over fears of coronavirus


Now compare him to all those Chinese people that tried to use medicine to hide their symptoms and sneak into other countries, not giving two shits about whom they could infect. Or those that literally spit and infect doctors that were just bravely trying to help them. Those people are literal wastes of oxygen.

This man from India might have made a mistake, perhaps out of ignorance, but there's no doubt he did something selfless. He has my respect and my condolences for what its worth.
 
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How Fear Distorts Our Thinking About the Coronavirus

The solution isn’t to try to think more carefully. It’s to trust the experts.



New York Times Article said:
When it comes to making decisions that involve risks, we humans can be irrational in quite systematic ways — a fact that the psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman famously demonstrated with the help of a hypothetical situation, eerily apropos of today’s coronavirus epidemic, that has come to be known as the Asian disease problem.

Professors Tversky and Kahneman asked people to imagine that the United States was preparing for an outbreak of an unusual Asian disease that was expected to kill 600 citizens. To combat the disease, people could choose between two options: a treatment that would ensure 200 people would be saved or one that had a 33 percent chance of saving all 600 but a 67 percent chance of saving none. Here, a clear favorite emerged: Seventy-two percent chose the former.

But when Professors Tversky and Kahneman framed the question differently, such that the first option would ensure that 400 people would die and the second option offered a 33 percent chance that nobody would perish and a 67 percent chance that all 600 would die, people’s preferences reversed. Seventy-eight percent now favored the second option.

This is irrational because the two questions don’t differ mathematically. In both cases, choosing the first option means accepting the certainty that 200 people live, and choosing the second means embracing a one-third chance that all could be saved with an accompanying two-thirds chance that all will die. Yet in our minds, Professors Tversky and Kahneman explained, losses loom larger than gains, and so when the options are framed in terms of deaths rather than cures, we’ll accept more risks to try to avoid deaths.

Our decision making is bad enough when the disease is hypothetical. But when the disease is real — when we see actual death rates climbing daily, as we do with the coronavirus — another factor besides our sensitivity to losses comes into play: fear.

The brain states we call emotions exist for one reason: to help us decide what to do next. They reflect our mind’s predictions for what’s likely to happen in the world and therefore serve as an efficient way to prepare us for it. But when the emotions we feel aren’t correctly calibrated for the threat or when we’re making judgments in domains where we have little knowledge or relevant information, our feelings become more likely to lead us astray.

Let me give you an example. In several experiments, my colleagues and I led people to feel sad or angry by having them read a magazine article that described either the impact of a natural disaster on a small town or the details of vehement anti-American protests abroad. Next, we asked them to estimate the frequencies of events that, if they occurred, would typically make people feel sad (for example, the number of people who will have to euthanize a beloved pet this year) or angry (for example, the number of people who will be intentionally sold a “lemon” by a dishonest car dealer this year) — estimates for which people wouldn’t already hold a knowledgeable answer.

Time and again, we found that when the emotion people felt matched the emotional overtones of a future event, their predictions for that event’s frequency increased. For instance, people who felt angry expected many more people to get swindled by a car dealer than did those who felt sad, even though the anger they felt had nothing to do with cars. Likewise, those who felt sad expected more people to have to euthanize their pets.
Fear works in a similar way. Using a nationally representative sample in the months following Sept. 11, 2001, the decision scientist Jennifer Lerner showed that feeling fear led people to believe that certain anxiety-provoking possibilities (for example, a terrorist strike) were more likely to occur.


Such findings show that our emotions can bias our decisions in ways that don’t accurately reflect the dangers around us. As of Monday, only 12 people in the United States have been confirmed to have the coronavirus, and all have had or are undergoing medical monitoring. Yet fear of contracting the virus is rampant. Throughout the United States, there’s been a rush on face masks (most of which won’t help against the virus), a hesitance to go into crowded places and even a growing suspicion that any Asian might be a host for the virus.

Don’t get me wrong: Certain quarantine or monitoring policies can make great sense when the threat is real and the policies are based on accurate data. But the facts on the ground, as opposed to the fear in the air, don’t warrant such actions. For most of us, the seasonal flu, which has killed as many as 25,000 people in the United States in just a few months, presents a much greater threat than does the coronavirus.

You might think that the best way to solve the problem is to get people to be more deliberative — to have them think more carefully about the issues involved. Unfortunately, when it comes to this type of emotion-induced bias, that strategy can make matters worse. When people spend more time considering an issue but don’t have the relevant facts at hand to make an informed decision, there are more opportunities for their feelings to fill in the blanks.

To demonstrate this, my colleagues and I conducted another series of experiments, in which we presented sad, angry or emotionally neutral people with a government proposal to raise taxes. In one version of the proposal, we said the increased revenue would be used to reduce “depressing” problems (like poor conditions in nursing homes). In the other, we focused on “angering” problems (like increasing crime because of a shortage of police officers). As we expected, when the emotions people felt matched the emotion of the rationales for the tax increase, their attitudes toward the proposal became more positive. But the more effort they put into considering the proposal didn’t turn out to reduce this bias; it made it stronger.

There’s a simple explanation for this. The more time people spent thinking about the arguments for the tax increase — rationales that matched their feelings in emotional overtone — the more opportunity their emotions had to inflate the perceived pervasiveness of those problems.
The mix of miscalibrated emotion and limited knowledge, the exact situation in which many people now find themselves with respect to the coronavirus, can set in motion a worsening spiral of irrational behavior. As news about the virus’s toll in China stokes our fears, it makes us not only more worried than we need be about contracting it, but also more susceptible to embracing fake claims and potentially problematic, hostile or fearful attitudes toward those around us — claims and attitudes that in turn reinforce our fear and amp up the cycle.

So how to fix the problem? Again, the solution isn’t to try to think more carefully about the situation. Most people don’t possess the medical knowledge to know how and when to best address viral epidemics, and as a result, their emotions hold undue sway. Rather, the solution is to trust data-informed expertise. But in today’s world, I worry a firm trust in expertise is lacking, making us too much the victim of fear.
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I don't really give a shit about the article. I'm just in awe of subtitle: "Don't think, Trust your betters."
 
 
Pajeet anhero's himself over fears of coronavirus

He's simply leaving early to avoid the rush.
 
Chinks are truly disgusting. I had the pleasure of sharing my high school years with so many of these chink exchange students and they were fucking disgusting human beings. I don't even think they are humans.
 
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Though it wouldn't surprise me if shit like this was already happening. Millions of people cut off from the rest of their country, the government abandoning you or worse, hauling you off to a death camp, food and supplies running low, surrounded by chinese...

I expect we'll hear in the coming week or two if this doesn't die down reports trickling in about how Wuhan is facing 'minor supply problems' but Winne the Pooh totally has everything under control but the west needs to donate supplies because reasons.
 
How Fear Distorts Our Thinking About the Coronavirus

The solution isn’t to try to think more carefully. It’s to trust the experts.




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I don't really give a shit about the article. I'm just in awe of subtitle: "Don't think, Trust your betters."
I bet if NYC had a bat flu epidemic with people dropping dead in the streets and ran rampant in Chinatown these assholes would be the first to flee, taking the virus with them (but not before writing how the bat flu is really the result of racist Americans refusing to empathize with bat eating chinks).
 
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Interesting article:

So as you can see, Chinese farmers are almost neck-to-neck with pajeets when it comes to hygiene and sanitation, the only difference being a "designated shitting latrine".

One can't really fault them, since decades and decades of brainwashing has turned them into human locusts. They don't know any better. But it turns out that it dawns on the government that mayhaps, we should teach the lowest-of-the-low class some basic hygiene in order to stop the spread of the virus! what a marvelous idea!

...It had to get this fucking bad for them to do something about it, for fuck's sake.
The toilet revolution... I can see this being something only communist needs... Do they realise how humilliating that reads and sounds ? Your population is riddled with so much PTSD from it's government itself they have to treat it as if they have a toddler to take care of, wich is the ultimate result of socialism / communism, you get servile idiots that drools at their government and wait for any order from their supreme leader.

They gonna distribute diapers as face masks soon. :story:

I couldn't give two fucks about china, but Japan getting it actually makes me feel pretty bad and sorry.
 
Not sure I believe NK allowed anyone into China during this period. They do border control right.
According to them they do, I'm sure, but even with increased security I doubt that not one person has snuck across since the Wu Flu has been around. In a run down communist regime run with nepotism and fear instead of honor, there's probably more than a few guards who are used to making extra money through bribery who don't feel like stopping they think they can get away with not being shot by blaming someone else or something. I've heard (South) Koreans joke that that the Chinese could bribe their northern border patrol with a USB stick of hentai if they ran out of money.
Brokers who smuggle people out of Korea and into China were known for constantly bribing NK border security and even making deals with them competitively so other guards wouldn't get the bribes. NK probably had to fill some guards with bullets as an example to tighten up security in the last few years. I think some of the articles about smuggling indicated that smuggling on the Yalu has a lot to do with how much China tightens their border, not NK.

Since this time they are actually scared of horrible viral death, they might be really sure to shoot anyone they think they see crossing the river. However, I doubt they can see all the river at any time, they have a satellite that passes four times a day capable of taking pictures (Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4), but I doubt it's that great or even works properly, or they would be bragging more with some cool shots from OUTER SPACCCEEE.
Also there are plenty of people who survive getting shot at by communist border patrols in similar circumstances. I'm particularly thinking of a lot of the Laotians I've met who escaped Laos while crossing a river being shot at, as well as several stories of people escaping North Korea without the proper bribes.

I'm no expert in the NK-China border btw, just a bunch of half remembered articles I've read over the years, a slight bit of googling, and some ends of conversations I've overheard or seen on reddit or something. I probably mostly read those articles because I found k-drama smuggling interesting.

Plus their whole huge river border to China and a tiny bit Russia is about 500 miles of the windy Yalu river. There are some big and very wilderness looking areas along that river. It doesn't really scream naturally easily enforceable to me.
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Also it's fun to zoom in on the border towns in China and count how many dog meat shops are in one screen.
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I enjoy the pondering of badly translated (?) place names on google maps too. I wonder what Spider King actually sells. I also find it interesting how many towns have a big building google has labeled as "Public Restroom".

Google maps on North Korea is worth a look too, but not much is labeled obviously.
 
The toilet revolution... I can see this being something only communist needs... Do they realise how humilliating that reads and sounds ? Your population is riddled with so much PTSD from it's government itself they have to treat it as if they have a toddler to take care of, wich is the ultimate result of socialism / communism, you get servile idiots that drools at their government and wait for any order from their supreme leader.

They gonna distribute diapers as face masks soon. :story:

I couldn't give two fucks about china, but Japan getting it actually makes me feel pretty bad and sorry.


Didn't we see the failure of Socialism and the Government Gibs mentality after the Hurricane Katrina disaster in New Orleans? Thousands of people sitting on their asses expecting their local government to bus them to safety, only to have said government behave as corrupt tribalists do and skip town, leaving their poor constituents to their own devices. Over a thousand died, and then the idiots poors go on to re-elect the government that screwed them over and blame Whitey for gentrifying the place and bringing in economic opportunity, driving up the price of rents. At some point, you've got to say to the dependent class: "Any government that;s big enough to give you everything you need, is big enough to stick a middle finger in your face and tell you to go fuck yourself whenever a disaster strikes."
 
I bet if NYC had a bat flu epidemic with people dropping dead in the streets and ran rampant in Chinatown these assholes would be the first to flee, taking the virus with them (but not before writing how the bat flu is really the result of racist Americans refusing to empathize with bat eating chinks).
Could you imagine trying to quarantine Americans? I give it 72 hours before armed militias of infected are trying to break through their cordons, every single one of them howling about how their rights are being trampled by an oppressive government.
 
Modern problems require modern solutions. And what better way for Chinese Coomers to educate themselves than on a site they frequent
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Could you imagine trying to quarantine Americans? I give it 72 hours before armed militias of infected are trying to break through their cordons, every single one of them howling about how their rights are being trampled by an oppressive government.
Depends. City dwellers are, for a lack of a better term, "housebroken" when it comes to their "betters" in government telling them what to do. That and learned helplessness means they'd probably not leave even as shit's getting fucked. Rural and some suburban places would absolutely form militias -- but not to get out. Rather, it'd be to keep infected from getting in.
In China this manifests itself as Grandpa sitting in the middle of the street with a fucking Glaive ready to boogie; in America it'd manifest itself as some boomer with a deer rifle chilling out on the roof sitting in a plastic chair with a Monster energy within reach. Of course even that assumes the local/state/federal government would drop the ball as hard as China. Low as my opinion on those three are I don't think they'd fail as hard as Xi and the CCP has.

Also one body bag doesn't always mean 1 body...

The PPE the people in the video are wearing would imply this is indeed current and related to the outbreak
 
A small update about the Orange County patient in California.


He's out of the hospital and is isolated at home. No information on the Los Angeles case though.

I'm going to make one correction. Originally I claimed that it was in Irvine. There were claims online where UCI Irvine was brought up. The official patient was from Santa Ana and was quarantined at UCI Irvine hospital, which is not in Irvine. It's actually in Orange. Anyone claiming online that something was going on in UCI college might have been mistaken, since the hospital shares the same name.

There was one rumor about a woman in a hospital in Irvine but that was never confirmed so I'm sure that was an early rumor.
 
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With regards to North Korea... posted about NK Penal Colony 25 a while ago. Take this with a grain of salt, nothing is confirmed.

There's a rumor the colony is being used to test vaccines on live subjects. They closed the borders on Jan 1, trucks and construction equipment were coming into the camp around that time.

What do you think the most likely scenario is:

- People escaping Wuhan made their way to North Korea, to take advantage of the first class hospital system and see to their health.

- A vaccine was being tested, people started dropping dead, and a guard bugged out, only to infect the NK populace

Not sure I believe NK allowed anyone into China during this period. They do border control right.

A 6 week incubation period from when they closed the border is possible. Unlikely, but possible.

NK has almost no capability to close the River, which forms much of the border between them and China. It's porous. It's the locale of the Black Market Smuggling operations by which NK actually survives. And people will be heading into China. The food shipments stopped showing up. The heating oil stopped arriving. NK can well secure their southern border. Their northern not so much.
 
Probably a good time to get that RTX 2060 Super I've been wanting. Maybe a good time to upgrade to 16GB of RAM, too. Samsung and friends are definitely salivating at the thought of a price hike on that. Going to be a bad year if you want to build any computers.

North Korea's screwed. This is a country known for having concentration camps. Those are perfect breeding grounds for disease.

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It's stuff like this that only adds fuel to the stereotype... chinamen being nasty fucks.

Don't come crying "muh racism" when people have more legitimate concerns about slants.
Normally not too disturbed by things intended to be pet food. This is pretty fucked. There's videos of pet ants eating other bugs alive that are less disturbing.

Thank you, Dr. Purr. Very cool.
 
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