Culture 'There will be dad and mum': Putin rules out Russia legalizing gay marriage

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THU FEB 13, 2020 / 12:11 PM EST
'There will be dad and mum': Putin rules out Russia legalizing gay marriage

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Russian President Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting with members of the working group on proposals for amendments to the Russian Constitution at the Novo-Ogaryovo state residence outside Moscow, Russia February 13, 2020. Sputnik/Alexei Druzhinin/Kremlin via
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(Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday Russia would not legalize gay marriage as long as he was in the Kremlin.
He made clear he would not allow the traditional notion of mother and father to be subverted by what he called "parent number 1" and "parent number 2".

"As far as 'parent number 1' and 'parent number 2' goes, I've already spoken publicly about this and I'll repeat it again: as long as I'm president this will not happen. There will be dad and mum," Putin said.

During his two decades in power, Putin has closely aligned himself with the Orthodox Church and sought to distance Russia from liberal Western values, including attitudes toward homosexuality and gender fluidity.

He made the comments as he met a state commission to discuss changes to Russia's constitution.

The commission was set up last month after Putin announced sweeping changes to Russia's political system that are widely seen as being designed to help him extend his grip on power after his scheduled departure from office in 2024.

Other proposals have since been put forward and Putin was asked to comment on a proposal to add a line in the constitution defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

"We need only to think in what phrases and where to do this," he replied.

In separate comments during the meeting, Putin said he backed an idea to make it unconstitutional for Russia to give away any part of its territory, a move likely to irritate Japan and Ukraine that have land disputes with Moscow.

Russia annexed the peninsula of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and has been in a decades-long dispute with Tokyo over ownership of a chain of islands in the Pacific that Moscow seized from Japan at the end of World War Two.

Russia and Japan have been holding talks on the latter dispute which has prevented the countries formally signing a peace treaty after World War Two.

"We have talks under way with our partners on certain questions, but I like the idea itself," Putin said. "So let's instruct the lawyers, ask them to formulate this in the right way."

(Reporting by Tom Balmforth; Editing by Timothy Heritage)

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Not terribly surprising considering the lgbt+ anti-propaganda laws they have there, but it is interesting they are considering codifying something like this at their constitutional reformation.
 
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Although I was eventually won over by the argument "how is it gonna hurt you?", I still maintained it was a slippery slope and had reservations about the whole thing.

In retrospect, I think that those who felt this way have been largely proven right. Everything had been chill until that line was crossed, and now look.
 
Although I was eventually won over by the argument "how is it gonna hurt you?", I still maintained it was a slippery slope and had reservations about the whole thing.

In retrospect, I think that those who felt this way have been largely proven right. Everything had been chill until that line was crossed, and now look.
Gay marriage doesn't matter imho, Canada, during one of our best spreads, had homo marriage since 2005 and we didn't start to feel like shit until 2015. I don't think us western faggots should be interfering with other countries anyway, just let them do their own thing until they escalate, in which case we need to give em the peoples elbow and crush them.
 
I think the main point of contention with gay marriage (besides the gay part) is the use of a religeous loaded term. There wouldn't be as much pushback if it was just a call to get equivelant spousal/parenting rights and services.

You're not far off.

Putin on his rise to power aligned himself very strongly with the Orthodox Church of Russia; he doesn't follow their teachings himself but they act as his personal cheerleading squad as they did for the czars centuries before him.

I doubt he has an opinion one way or the other,but this is a core voting block of his that he cant afford to offend.

It will happen eventually. Though not anytime soon. Gay people dont just exist in western europe and Putin wont live forever.
 
It will happen eventually. Though not anytime soon. Gay people dont just exist in western europe and Putin wont live forever.

Russian culture is still very much anti-gay, however. It's not just Putin or some Orthodox Church loons. Homosexuality is seen as inherently shameful and non-masculine. You will be actively discriminated against if you are openly gay in Russia, as a matter of course. I believe there have even been murders and lynchings. It is by no means inevitable that gay rights come to Russia.
 
If gays (men and women) weren't not tied to the T, people might be more understanding of them.

Honestly, I have mixed feelings first and foremost the state should have nothing to do with whos wed. Reality, shit like wills, health insure, taxes etc yes it matters. But the idea of a marriage in most any religious setting is to start/make a family, that needs a male and female, one could debate adopting but that's kinda a grey area.

Why not call it a civil union with protecting, let em wed who cares but not a marriage per say.
 
As if this is some kind of surprise?
No, but it's interesting that they're considering enshrining traditional marriage in their constitution. It's unlikely anyone will have the power to open up their constitution again for a long time after Putin is done with this one
 
F to my russian gay squad hoping for a different outcome, but I'm sure if you're there you werent that optimistic in the first place. Idk if they have civil unions or variation of those in Russia, if they dont maybe that will be the easier route atm.
 
This reminds me of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's speech at Harvard:


Well worth a read, and still relevant 42 years later
 
If gays (men and women) weren't not tied to the T, people might be more understanding of them.

Honestly, I have mixed feelings first and foremost the state should have nothing to do with whos wed. Reality, shit like wills, health insure, taxes etc yes it matters. But the idea of a marriage in most any religious setting is to start/make a family, that needs a male and female, one could debate adopting but that's kinda a grey area.

Why not call it a civil union with protecting, let em wed who cares but not a marriage per say.
Legal trusts and other contracts exist. In the US (and other countries I'm sure) there are tax and limited other benefits, but there's a decent argument that these benefits are given with the expectation of family creation which benefits the state.
 
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